Maine Shooting dozens dead or injured.

[MrSquished]

Of course the cops fucked this up too.

We need police but the police we have in this country are absolutely shitty.

This is a gifted link from the New York times.

Police Were Told Maine Gunman Had Threatened to Carry Out Shooting Spree https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/30/....-EaF.OCWX4m81DNLX&smid=nytcore-android-share

 

[eelw]

But what do you want them to do just bust down his door?

 

[Moonbeam]

But what do you want them to do just bust down his door?

Spoken like a person who has no idea at all as to how to help mentally Ill people. You show them a Rorschach and if they say they fucked your mother you kill them of course. We’re you hiding behind the door when they passed out brains? We need to protect Mother’s good name.

 

[eelw]

Spoken like a person who has no idea at all as to how to help mentally Ill people. You show them a Rorschach and if they say they fucked your mother you kill them of course. We’re you hiding behind the door when they passed out brains? We need to protect Mother’s good name.

Psst FBI. There’s this crazy guy named Moonie. Only based on the word of various ATP&N posters, this guy is CRAY CRAY. Totally violate his rights and arrest him immediately because we think he has mental issues.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

It still baffles me that anyone tries to engage that nutjob.

-To paraphrase a certain quote: "There is no one that I would wish ignore on, but there are some posts that I scroll passed with great speed".

 

[Moonbeam]

I had a nightmare that I was being chased by a giant killer carrot. I'm looking forward to creating that tbh.

No problem at all. Just confess to your sister you’ve been putting her dildo up your ass. The nightmares about carrots will go away replaced by one’s of a raging bitch with pinking schears.

 

[Moonbeam]

Psst FBI. There’s this crazy guy named Moonie. Only based on the word of various ATP&N posters, this guy is CRAY CRAY. Totally violate his rights and arrest him immediately because we think he has mental issues.

Exactly. We need to put you in charge of mental health issues. The FBI ended the Mafia by never letting a Dago by. You will do even better.

 

[WelshBloke]

No problem at all. Just confess to your sister you’ve been putting her dildo up your ass. The nightmares about carrots will go away replaced by one’s of a raging bitch with pinking schears.

Alas but I'm an only child!

 

[Moonbeam]

Alas but I'm an only child!

Never let them know that. If they think there’s the slightest chance there’s any truth to the notion that’s required to get to heaven the knives will come out to insure your innocence is ended.

Trust me. Be more of one but keep it on the QT.

 

[MrSquished]

Psst FBI. There’s this crazy guy named Moonie. Only based on the word of various ATP&N posters, this guy is CRAY CRAY. Totally violate his rights and arrest him immediately because we think he has mental issues.

As the article clearly states it was his close family members and the actual army which he was a part of who warned the cops. Not random people off the internet. Insert quarter try again.

 

[Greenman]

They'd be responsible for reporting it stolen as soon as possible.

Of course they should be required to report a stolen firearm, but that's a far cry from assigning responsibility for the weapon in perpetuity.

 

[HomerJS]

Of course they should be required to report a stolen firearm, but that's a far cry from assigning responsibility for the weapon in perpetuity.

If you fail to report a weapon stolen for a month and a week before a crime is committed you are equally responsible. If you have a weapon locked up properly and someone breaks in and steals it wouldn't that be obvious? If it's stolen by someone who lives with you same story. If you are living with someone who is likely to steal a gun don't get one.

If you own a gun take responsibility for that deadly weapon.

 

[Greenman]

If you fail to report a weapon stolen for a month and a week before a crime is committed you are equally responsible. If you have a weapon locked up properly and someone breaks in and steals it wouldn't that be obvious? If it's stolen by someone who lives with you same story. If you are living with someone who is likely to steal a gun don't get one.

If you own a gun take responsibility for that deadly weapon.

This is incorrect. It places guilt on a person that committed no crime, and assumes that the gun owner will be able to predict the actions of others. Reporting a stolen weapon doesn't effect what the perpetrator does with it. That action won't in any way put others at risk.

I agree that owning firearms has an attached responsibility, and that responsibility should encompass proper storage and reporting, but it ends there.

 

[soulcougher73]

-To paraphrase a certain quote: "There is no one that I would wish ignore on, but there are some posts that I scroll passed with great speed".

I have a great many conservatives on ignore. They just dont engage in debates worthy of replies. They are disingenuous and hypocrites. I gave up after many years. I can usually guess what they said based on someones reply to them that i do see.

 

[pmv]

I have a great many conservatives on ignore. They just dont engage in debates worthy of replies. They are disingenuous and hypocrites. I gave up after many years. I can usually guess what they said based on someones reply to them that i do see.

I've had most posters here on ignore at one time or other. I have to keep taking people off the list or I'd be here entirely on my own. If you could use wild-card characters in the ignore list I could have a nice quiet, albeit slightly boring, forum.

 

[MrSquished]

I've had most posters here on ignore at one time or other. I have to keep taking people off the list or I'd be here entirely on my own. If you could use wild-card characters in the ignore list I could have a nice quiet, albeit slightly boring, forum.

Talk to a therapist about your emotional impulsiveness in regards to your trigger happy ban stick

 

[brycejones]

This is incorrect. It places guilt on a person that committed no crime, and assumes that the gun owner will be able to predict the actions of others. Reporting a stolen weapon doesn't effect what the perpetrator does with it. That action won't in any way put others at risk.

I agree that owning firearms has an attached responsibility, and that responsibility should encompass proper storage and reporting, but it ends there.

So no actual accountability for being a responsible owner of a deadly weapon. You sure do fit the GOP mold to a T.

 

[WelshBloke]

Of course they should be required to report a stolen firearm, but that's a far cry from assigning responsibility for the weapon in perpetuity.

In what way are they responsible for it in perpetuity?
Report it stolen, help the police with any enquiries and it's not your responsibility any more.

 

[WelshBloke]

This is incorrect. It places guilt on a person that committed no crime, and assumes that the gun owner will be able to predict the actions of others. Reporting a stolen weapon doesn't effect what the perpetrator does with it. That action won't in any way put others at risk.

I agree that owning firearms has an attached responsibility, and that responsibility should encompass proper storage and reporting, but it ends there.

Rules without consequences for breaking them aren't rules.

 

[Muse]

Mass shootings would still be just as common.
You wouldn't solve anything by that action alone.

I'm no expert but my impression is that you can easily send off 10 rounds/second with an assault weapon. A hand gun has much more limited capacity, is not as easily aimed. Has to be reloaded way sooner. I figure on average, less than half the fatalities. It's something. How armed should people be allowed to be? Bazookas? Tanks. Where do you draw the line? If the decision was left to me, a be-be gun is the limit.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm no expert but my impression is that you can easily send off 10 rounds/second with an assault weapon. A hand gun has much more limited capacity, is not as easily aimed. Has to be reloaded way sooner. I figure on average, less than half the fatalities. It's something. How armed should people be allowed to be? Bazookas? Tanks. Where do you draw the line? If the decision was left to me, a be-be gun is the limit.

Generally speaking yes, rifles have higher capacity than pistols and higher muzzle velocity, which, all else being equal, means more people shot more easily and more severe wounds from being shot.

That being said, handguns are used far more frequently to kill people than rifles, even in mass shootings. By design they are a lot easier to carry around and conceal, so this makes sense to me. I did a quick google though and wasn't able to find data on the average number of victims from rifles vs. handguns. A mass shooting is defined as any time four or more people are shot in a single event and clearly a four person event and a 40 person event are very different. It could absolutely be the case that rifles trend more to the 40 side.

 

[pmv]

I'm _sure_ there's some sort of psychological appeal of military-looking rifles to a certain kind of shooter - who tends towards the mass-shooting-and-subsequent-suicide form of killings. Whereas handguns seem to be more the practical tool of the professional gangster or the one-off-murderer, who are killing for a comparatively specific and quasi-rational purpose.

Handguns are the bigger problem overall, but I really wonder if in some of the mass-shooting cases, where the shooter has a large collection of weapons, there isn't a sense in which the objects are perceived by the shooter as demanding to be used.

 

[balloonshark]

I'm no expert but my impression is that you can easily send off 10 rounds/second with an assault weapon. A hand gun has much more limited capacity, is not as easily aimed. Has to be reloaded way sooner. I figure on average, less than half the fatalities. It's something. How armed should people be allowed to be? Bazookas? Tanks. Where do you draw the line? If the decision was left to me, a be-be gun is the limit.

My semi-automatic pistol has a capacity of 18+1 rounds or 20+1 rounds. That's a lot of firepower. I just looked and I can get aftermarket 32 and 50 round mags if I really felt the need.

 

[fskimospy]

My semi-automatic pistol has a capacity of 18+1 rounds or 20+1 rounds. That's a lot of firepower. I just looked and I can get aftermarket 32 and 50 round mags if I really felt the need.

Also, if you're in a confined space a pistol can definitely be easier to aim than a rifle. On the ship internal security teams use pistols and shotguns, not rifles.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm _sure_ there's some sort of psychological appeal of military-looking rifles to a certain kind of shooter - who tends towards the mass-shooting-and-subsequent-suicide form of killings. Whereas handguns seem to be more the practical tool of the professional gangster or the one-off-murderer, who are killing for a comparatively specific and quasi-rational purpose.

Handguns are the bigger problem overall, but I really wonder if in some of the mass-shooting cases, where the shooter has a large collection of weapons, there isn't a sense in which the objects are perceived by the shooter as demanding to be used.

Sure. Guns talk to people who are projecting massive self hate. They whisper, this is how to silence the voices in your head. Go out and kill everyone in sight. Sometimes they talk through the fillings in your teeth, but mostly it's the tiny light phasing speakers that are embedded in the triggers. Clearly you have heard them too, demanding you use them because usually their presence is a deeply guarded secret.

I discovered them because one of mine was obviously defective. It kept playing Lennon's Imagine.