Because I didn't find the result you wanted I'm a shit bag. That right there is the summation of modern liberal thinking.
In most developed nations like the UK, Germany, Japan, etc. guns are very difficult to obtain. Everyone knows this.
They are all also nice places to live with significantly lower homicide rates than the US. This is not a coincidence, this is basic common sense.
If people would just come out and say they want to own a gun for the emotional validation it brings them I would think that’s silly but at least it would be honest. No need to make up fairy tales about guns making you safer.
They are all also nice places to live with significantly lower homicide rates than the US. This is not a coincidence, this is basic common sense.
If people would just come out and say they want to own a gun for the emotional validation it brings them I would think that’s silly but at least it would be honest. No need to make up fairy tales about guns making you safer.
No you’re a shit bag because you act like a shit bag.
Refusal to accept accountability for one’s actions pretty much sums up modern conservative thinking.
Restricted and banned are two different things. You made a specific statement, I looked it up to see the actual stats. FYI, the U.S. is on the list of "restricted" countries. It's correct to say most countries allow gun ownership. That's a general and accurate statement.
Once you start looking into the stats there is some really interesting information. Clearly Asians and Pacific Islanders know how to dodge a bullet.
TABLE. Firearm homicide annual rates and counts, by race and ethnicity — United States, 2019–2022
Race and ethnicity* | Rate† (no.) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|
2019 | 2020 | 2021 | 2022 | |
A/PI, NH | 1.0 (202) | 1.0 (208) | 1.2 (241) | 1.1 (233) |
AI/AN, NH | 6.4 (154) | 7.9 (191) | 7.7 (185) | 9.3 (224) |
Black or African American, NH | 20.5 (8,438) | 28.3 (11,832) | 30.4 (12,721) | 27.5 (11,565) |
White, NH | 1.6 (3,129) | 2.0 (3,969) | 2.1 (4,064) | 2.0 (3,828) |
Hispanic or Latino, any race | 3.8 (2,301) | 4.8 (2,947) | 5.5 (3,455) | 5.5 (3,500) |
Overall§ | 4.4 (14,414) | 5.8 (19,384) | 6.3 (20,958) | 5.9 (19,637) |
Abbreviations: A/PI = Asian or Pacific Islander; AI/AN = American Indian or Alaska Native; NH = non-Hispanic.
* Persons within some racial and ethnic groups, particularly AI/AN persons, might be undercounted because of misclassification. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_02/sr02_172.pdf; https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr70/NVSR70-12.pdf
Again, why you are playing dumb here is beyond me, especially considering how in this very discussion these heavily restricted places are the ones people are repeatedly referencing.
That being said, if you want to play stupid games where we all take everything literally then I’m more than happy to play that with you and you can just let me know when you’ve had enough.
This statement is false and you should retract it. There is no information in there whatsoever about the relative ability of certain ethnic groups to dodge bullets.Once you start looking into the stats there is some really interesting information. Clearly Asians and Pacific Islanders know how to dodge a bullet.
TABLE. Firearm homicide annual rates and counts, by race and ethnicity — United States, 2019–2022
Sources: CDC WONDER; U.S. Census Bureau (NC-EST2020-ALLDATA; NC-EST2022-ALLDATA).
Abbreviations: A/PI = Asian or Pacific Islander; AI/AN = American Indian or Alaska Native; NH = non-Hispanic.
* Persons within some racial and ethnic groups, particularly AI/AN persons, might be undercounted because of misclassification. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_02/sr02_172.pdf; https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr70/NVSR70-12.pdf
Is that about ethnicity of perpetrators or of victims? Also, I thought the CDC was banned from studying anything to do with firearms?
And why only divide by ethnicity? Why not take class into account as well? Some of the racial difference is probably really a class-based difference.
And presumably those different groups are unevenly distributed geographically.
And what's the point being made? Does seem to show that for every group the figure is considerably higher than for many other developed countries.
And why only divide by ethnicity? Why not take class into account as well? Some of the racial difference is probably really a class-based difference.
And presumably those different groups are unevenly distributed geographically.
And what's the point being made? Does seem to show that for every group the figure is considerably higher than for many other developed countries.
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It's pathetic you still think this dude is still playing dumb.
It's how many people were killed by firearms, I didn't see a stat for perps, though I wasn't looking for it.
I assume it was divided by ethnicity because that was a part of the information they wanted to catalog.
I would assume the point is to demonstrate the distribution of killings across the different races.
I didn't create the chart, I just went looking for information about the statements made in this thread. When you start digging into the information it's interesting in a very morbid way. Clearly blacks are the most likely to be killed by guns, unless you include suicide, then the numbers change somewhat. I would guess location has an enormous effect on localized stats, but I didn't dig into that. I would also guess the poor people kill each other far more often than rich people, I didn't check.
True enough. The one stat is that they don't get shot as often, the simplest method to avoid getting shot is to duck, so I made the obvious deduction.
I like this game. Keep going.
Nah, it's because you chose to play games with semantics (interpreting the word 'banned' in the most restrictive way possible) in order to waste everyone's time rather than engage in honest argument.
Plus, the Maldives are quite pleasant, I've heard (not that I could ever afford to visit the place), and I haven't heard of many murders in the Vatican (well, some claim there was one...I guess gun control doesn't totally prevent them)
But what's the point (or what's _your_ point) in doing that?
It seems part of a pattern of conservatives trying to pretend black Americans are not part of the US and not part of the history of the country, as if they could be bracketed-out, and all the metrics on wealth and health compiled with only white people. Black Americans are Americans, and their situation and circumstances are a consequence of the history and nature of the US.
It's as if we could declare that everyone here has a pretty good income, as long as you don't count working-class people.
I am not aware of any evidence that the simplest method to avoid being shot is to duck - can you support this statement?
Low population density? Opposing seasons leading to a misalignment of seasonal depression and life events? Harder to aim upside down?
We could do an experiment, we shoot at someone that stands straight up then at someone who ducks. There is also anecdotal evidence to support the theory. In news reels when you see soldiers coming under fire they universally duck. I've also seen police shouting "get down".
I understand the this isn't proof. It could all be based on the theory that by ducking you don't have as far to fall when you get shot. But I'm going to go ahead and go with reduced target size as the reason.
You're up.
No I’m sorry, you are describing ways to not get shot but nothing you’ve said here said it was the most effective. For example I can think of more effective ways like not being in the range of any gun.
You shouldn’t spread falsehoods here - apology and deletion of the post is the right answer.
You need to understand how to be precise with your language.
Good point. I don't know why it was broken down by race, but it's pretty clear blacks get shot more often than everyone else.
Perhaps political afflation would be a better division than race, though my wild ass guess is democrats take more hits than republican's. Income distribution would be entirely predictable.
The thing to understand is that I'm not defending the numbers, or how the distribution method was selected, I just posted what I found when I went looking.
Your words.
"I am not aware of any evidence that the simplest method to avoid being shot is to duck - can you support this statement?"
When did "simplest" become "most effective"?
You need to understand how to be precise with your language (it's like there's an echo in here).
We'll have to finish this later, I got bidness to attend to, my pantry isn't going to build itself.
I find it's simpler not to reside in the US. YMMV (literally).
Why would they even be the simplest? Not being near a gun often requires you to do nothing.
Again - you need to understand how to be precise with your language.
Also, how could it be like an echo in here? Echos are auditory and this forum is text. Can you explain why you would make such an obviously false statement?
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