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Looks like The Titanic killed a few more people
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Pohemi
Lifer
11,000m is right about Challenger Deep depth (10,935). It mentions that it was developed for ROV, I wonder if it's also adaptable to a manned vehicle, as they tend to weigh considerably more.
In the depths of the Atlantic, we don't need eyes to see! (once the batteries run out)
Especially if you're a billionaire. You could afford a trip in a legit DSV.
Paratus
Lifer
That’s the sunk cost fallacy right there.
Brovane
Diamond Member
Damn. Can you imagine the poor souls in the sub watching the pilot with this thing.
What is the game controller used in the OceanGate expedition?
The missing OceanGate submarine vessel is controlled using a wireless Logitech F710 gamepad, CEO Stockton Rush confirmed previously. The controller runs the 'whole thing'.www.dailymail.co.uk
Would you be surprised to know that the Virginia Class attack submarine uses a Xbox controller to control it's periscope?
https://www.cnet.com/science/us-navy-launches-submarine-maneuvered-by-xbox-controller/
igor_kavinski
Lifer
Google is basically useless in helping me figure out how organic decay works in a purely carbon dioxide atmosphere. Will their bodies be preserved for centuries? Future humans may decide to put the sub as-is in a museum without ever opening it, letting visitors peer through the small window.
sdifox
No Lifer
it's 400 atmosphere pressure down there... 40 Megapascal or 6,000 PSI for you metric challenged.
igor_kavinski
Lifer
What are you saying? If it remains there, it will eventually get crushed by the ocean? Or it's impossible for future humans to bring it up?
sdifox
No Lifer
That pressure vessel is not going to hold forever. Never seen Das Boot? They were just at around 280m
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sze5003
Lifer
There's a few possible scenarios here. This submersible had lost comms before on other dives and eventually regained communication with the mother ship. Most likely what happened here but then didn't regain comms.
In case of electrical failure, the sub has some ballast weights it would drop which would make it float to the top.
It could be somewhere in the ocean on or near the surface, which I think would be really hard to see because it was a dumb idea to paint it white and blue. This case it's only a matter of time before they run out of air vs someone finding it and seeing it in the vast ocean.
It could have gotten stuck in the titanic wreckage on a cable or something on the sea bed..worst outcome since they dont have another sub to go that deep and even navy subs don't go that far down.
Or it had some sort of electrical failure, floated up again as a safety measure but reached neutral buoyancy and is not at the surface but floating somewhere in the middle of the ocean, also horrible outcome as it would be extremely hard to find.
It sounds morbid but best case scenario would be the port hole glass which had reports of not even being manufactured to be in water greater than 1300 meters, had a failure since it has been in 3 other dives and wear and tear took place..and because of the pressure the sub imploded..which would mean passengers died before they even knew what was happening.
I dunno but if I'm a millionaire and I pay $250k to go on this expedition, and you show me this vessel upon arriving, that's controlled with a PC controller from 1998 or whatever, I'm turning around and going back to my millionaire lifestyle, no fuss.
In case of electrical failure, the sub has some ballast weights it would drop which would make it float to the top.
It could be somewhere in the ocean on or near the surface, which I think would be really hard to see because it was a dumb idea to paint it white and blue. This case it's only a matter of time before they run out of air vs someone finding it and seeing it in the vast ocean.
It could have gotten stuck in the titanic wreckage on a cable or something on the sea bed..worst outcome since they dont have another sub to go that deep and even navy subs don't go that far down.
Or it had some sort of electrical failure, floated up again as a safety measure but reached neutral buoyancy and is not at the surface but floating somewhere in the middle of the ocean, also horrible outcome as it would be extremely hard to find.
It sounds morbid but best case scenario would be the port hole glass which had reports of not even being manufactured to be in water greater than 1300 meters, had a failure since it has been in 3 other dives and wear and tear took place..and because of the pressure the sub imploded..which would mean passengers died before they even knew what was happening.
I dunno but if I'm a millionaire and I pay $250k to go on this expedition, and you show me this vessel upon arriving, that's controlled with a PC controller from 1998 or whatever, I'm turning around and going back to my millionaire lifestyle, no fuss.
igor_kavinski
Lifer
Doing that vs. feeding the hungry and homeless in your local community for several years? I say they deserve it. The sub seems to have been designed by PC gamers/developers. Stress testing? Nah. Let's do it in production. We are so clever we can't possibly have overlooked something.
UNCjigga
Lifer
For their sake, I hope it isn’t true. You’d rather they were instantaneously compressed/drowned during an implosion rather than sitting their for 96 hours knowing that there’s no way to be saved.
Could you imagine being stuck in that claustrophobic environment…with the very same CEO who got you to sign away $250K to meet your doom??
sze5003
Lifer
Sorry quotes are not working for me on mobile..but yea that is true. I'd rather donate money like that to my community or some youth center.
I do feel really bad for the 19 year old kid that is with his father. Most likely the intention was to have a cool father's day experience and I can't imagine what's going through the mom's head right now.
The company even fired an employee who warned them of dangers with their sub. I doubt any of these crew members researched the previous dives this vessel took and how it encountered similar issues, got lost for 5 hours in the past, etc.
It is really baffling how one interview and demonstration of this thing looked like it was put together by morons with off the shelf components without any stress testing and I'm not even a scientist or mechanical engineer, but I could immediately tell yea this thing is going to have issues eventually.
The CEO even mentioned there was no machine to scan the hull of the sub for integrity so they would use "acoustics" of pops and noises to figure out if the hull was in danger. Well if that is your methodology for determining issues, I think it's too late when you do hear these noises while you are already in the middle of the ocean.
sdifox
No Lifer
I read reports that they have done test dives to that depth multiple times and tested in pressure chambers, but then this is according to the company.
The Titan submersible: What it is, what might have gone wrong and what's being done to find it
A growing number of aircraft and ships from the U.S. and Canada searched Tuesday for a submersible vessel carrying five people that disappeared on its way to the wreckage of the Titanic.
K1052
Elite Member
The true nightmare scenario is they lost comms, dumped their ballast, floated to the top, and are now adrift somewhere on the surface unable to escape the submersible or radio for help.
igor_kavinski
Lifer
He probably locked himself in the toilet!
sdifox
No Lifer
there is no toilet... just a privacy curtain and a box.
igor_kavinski
Lifer
I'm that same employee for my company. EVERY TIME for the past 15 years, I felt like tomorrow would be the day when they unceremoniously kick me out for speaking the truth. I think they have gotten used to it and tend to ignore me most of the time.
sdifox
No Lifer
SAR would have found them by now, they do have a pretty good idea of where it could be, as in not a whole ocean to comb through like MH370
igor_kavinski
Lifer
Oh crap!
Like CRAP.
Decreasing oxygen.
Increasing carbon dioxide.
Probably out of water to drink.
And the stink of shite to complete the immersive experience!
sdifox
No Lifer
Pretty sure there are large scale x ray machines, they are just too cheap to use them.
IronWing
No Lifer
The sub is below the carbonate compensation depth. Their bones will dissolve.
The envy runs deep in this one.
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