Looks like The Titanic killed a few more people

[[DHT]Osiris]

For their sake, I hope it isn’t true. You’d rather they were instantaneously compressed/drowned during an implosion rather than sitting their for 96 hours knowing that there’s no way to be saved.

Could you imagine being stuck in that claustrophobic environment…with the very same CEO who got you to sign away $250K to meet your doom??

It'd be 112 hours or so after i beat that CEO to death with that controller.

 

[Captante]

The nagging question that just won't stop looping in my head is WHO IS THE UTTER JACKA$$ who decided it was "fine" NOT to put an emergency escape-hatch on this amateur-night piece of junk ?!?

And further, who WITH ANY KIND OF WORKING BRAIN would allow themselves to be sealed in a freaking carbon-fiber sarcophagus with 17 steel bolts and NO WAY to get out on your own even if you manage to surface after a problem ??? (wtf...)

Me even @ 19 years old would have taken one look at that "brilliant" design and said NOPE.

The envy runs deep in this one.

Let them eat cake right?

Karma is a harsh mistress.


I do feel for the 19 year old FWIW.... having a tough time finding much compassion for the rest of those "people" beyond hoping they didn't suffer.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I do feel for the 19 year old FWIW.... having a tough time finding much compassion for the rest of those "people".

Look at it this way. Less life troubles. No getting cheated on by girlfriend. Less heartbreaking of girls. Less sinning. No suffering of any future debilitating diseases. Maybe spared from some violent accidental death?

Everything happens for a reason. Maybe his dad did something to cause the death of someone young/younger? Rich people are rarely saints. That's mostly how they get rich, especially billionaires.

 

[Greenman]

The nagging question that just won't stop looping in my head is WHO IS THE UTTER JACKA$$ who decided it was "fine" NOT to put an emergency escape-hatch on this amateur-night piece of junk?!?

And further, who WITH ANY KIND OF WORKING BRAIN would allow themselves to be sealed in a freaking carbon-fiber sarcophagus with 17 steel bolts and NO WAY to get out even if you manage to surface after a problem???

Me even @ 19 years old would have taken one look at that "brilliant" design and said NOPE.




Karma is a harsh mistress.

I do feel for the 19 year old FWIW.... having a tough time finding much compassion for the rest of those "people".

It appears that was one of several questionable decisions.
There is a video interview with the CEO a while back where he was asked about hiring people with experience in submarines. He said that they didn't want a bunch of fifty year old white guys.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It appears that was one of several questionable decisions.
There is a video interview with the CEO a while back where he was asked about hiring people with experience in submarines. He said that they didn't want a bunch of fifty year old white guys.

So other than being dumb, he was guilty of prejudice and discrimination too. What a fine citizen.

 

[Captante]

So other than being dumb, he was guilty of prejudice and discrimination too. What a fine citizen.

No kidding... and worse... "50+ year old white guys" are BY FAR the majority of IRL submarine experts!!!

 

[Brovane]

The nagging question that just won't stop looping in my head is WHO IS THE UTTER JACKA$$ who decided it was "fine" NOT to put an emergency escape-hatch on this amateur-night piece of junk?!?

A lot of time for these type of deep-sea submersibles it isn't unusual for no emergency escape hatch and the hatch is sealed from the outside.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepsea_Challenger

Look at the Deepsea Challenger that James Cameron used to go down to the Mariana's trench. Once he was bolted inside the vehicle there was no escape hatch and no way for him to egress by himself out of the vehicle.

 

[Captante]

Seriously.... how do "smart guys" design a craft that will suffocate the people inside it while SITTING ON THE SURFACE ???



*(Answer: ACTUAL "smart guys" DO NOT do this kind of thoughtless crap... it's mostly reserved for morons)

 

[Captante]

A lot of time for these type of deep-sea submersibles it isn't unusual for no emergency escape hatch and the hatch is sealed from the outside.

All this tells me is that a LOT of so-called "smart guys" are ACTUALLY really freaking stupid.

Something tells me that if they could put an escape-hatch on a SPACE CAPSULE in the mid-1960's they could put one in that "play-school" sub if they chose to do so. (and that is the rub... those morons CHOSE this design!)

From what I've been reading going to the bottom of the ocean in that POS "submersible" was about as intelligent as Evil Knievel trying to jump the fountains at Caesars Palace on a Harley.

 

[Greenman]

So other than being dumb, he was guilty of prejudice and discrimination too. What a fine citizen.

I didn't think there was such a thing as discrimination against 50 year old white guys.

 

[Captante]

I didn't think there was such a thing as discrimination against 50 year old white guys.

Rare but it happens.

 

[Captante]

My ex-wife is a contractor in the Groton sub base and I've been for a couple really cool VIP tours there over the years.

I have total confidence in the US Navy and in Electric Boat's amazing tech, and would jump at the chance to experience diving in one if it was offered, BUT even in a "broken in" ship with a highly trained and supremely competent USN crew in charge I would STILL be a bit nervous. (in a huge, proven, solid steel hulled & nuclear-powered ship!)

Boggles my mind how careless and dumb people can be diving to the bottom of the ocean in a toy.

This is some SERIOUS "Darwin Award" material .... l liken it to skydiving with a homemade parachute!


EDIT: Never forget. The ocean is large and in-charge always! Give it the chance to kill you enough times and it will.

 

[sdifox]

The nagging question that just won't stop looping in my head is WHO IS THE UTTER JACKA$$ who decided it was "fine" NOT to put an emergency escape-hatch on this amateur-night piece of junk ?!?

And further, who WITH ANY KIND OF WORKING BRAIN would allow themselves to be sealed in a freaking carbon-fiber sarcophagus with 17 steel bolts and NO WAY to get out on your own even if you manage to surface after a problem ??? (wtf...)

Me even @ 19 years old would have taken one look at that "brilliant" design and said NOPE.




Let them eat cake right?

Karma is a harsh mistress.


I do feel for the 19 year old FWIW.... having a tough time finding much compassion for the rest of those "people" beyond hoping they didn't suffer.

It's about complexity. It is much easier to build a bolt in pressure vessel than one with a easily opened hatch for a given pressure rating.

 

[Captante]

It's about complexity. It is much easier to build a bolt in pressure vessel than one with a easily opened hatch for a given pressure rating.

It's also easier (and cheaper!) to make cars without airbags, crumple-zones or side-intrusion beams. Or seatbelts!

That doesn't make it a wise decision.

 

[sdifox]

It's also easier (and cheaper!) to make cars without airbags or side-intrusion beams. Also seatbelts!

That doesn't make it a wise decision.

Going down in that was not a wise decision. But it wasn't my call.

 

[Captante]

Going down in that was not a wise decision. But it wasn't my call.

How did those id10t's get so rich and yet be stupid enough to go FIFTY feet underwater in that POS nevermind 12000?

 

[K1052]

A lot of time for these type of deep-sea submersibles it isn't unusual for no emergency escape hatch and the hatch is sealed from the outside.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepsea_Challenger

Look at the Deepsea Challenger that James Cameron used to go down to the Mariana's trench. Once he was bolted inside the vehicle there was no escape hatch and no way for him to egress by himself out of the vehicle.

It is unusual to lack redundant safety systems and emergency beacons AFAIK. Also Deepsea Challenger is a single man craft and would never be piloted by somebody without extensive training and experience (and yes Cameron counts).

 

[Roger Wilco]

Seems like they might have an idea where it is.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671546175483269122

 

[Captante]

It is unusual to lack redundant safety systems and emergency beacons AFAIK. Also Deepsea Challenger is a single man craft and would never be piloted by somebody without extensive training and experience (and yes Cameron counts).

Yeah.... that's yet ANOTHER "Darwin" move to factor in here!

"Smart guy" ALSO didn't think some kind of self-contained radio/sonar "beacon" might come in handy for a tiny sub in the middle of a giant ocean? As a direct result the crew may well be ON THE SURFACE right now and all still die.

Seems the "genius-boy" who designed this joke of a "sub" was actually a near-complete idiot.

 

[K1052]

Yeah.... that's yet ANOTHER "Darwin" move to factor in here!

"Smart guy" ALSO didn't think some kind of self-contained radio/sonar "beacon" might come in handy for a tiny sub in the middle of a giant ocean? As a direct result the crew may well be ON THE SURFACE right now and all still die.

Seems the "genius-boy" who designed this joke of a "sub" was actually a near-complete idiot.

I mean Cameron is literally like "I put in way more safety margin than I thought I needed because shit happens and I do not want to die". These guys are "Nah we innovate too quickly for extra safety because its already so so safe, trust us".

 

[Brovane]

It is unusual to lack redundant safety systems and emergency beacons AFAIK. Also Deepsea Challenger is a single man craft and would never be piloted by somebody without extensive training and experience (and yes Cameron counts).

I agree about the lack of redundant systems and emergency beacon on Titan. I was reffering to the lack of escape hatch and the inability to egress the vehicle without assistance from the outside. I really don't consider James Cameron a idiot, foolish or reckless in what he does. So there could be a perfectly good engineering reason for DSV's that the hatch is bolted from the outside before diving and is not capable of being opened from the inside.

 

[K1052]

I agree about the lack of redundant systems and emergency beacon on Titan. I was reffering to the lack of escape hatch and the inability to egress the vehicle without assistance from the outside. I really don't consider James Cameron a idiot, foolish or reckless in what he does. So there could be a perfectly good engineering reason for DSV's that the hatch is bolted from the outside before diving and is not capable of being opened from the inside.

Probably saves some weight and makes a thinner pressure vessel viable but that's just a guess.

Cameron, while a bit of a tool, certainly respects the physics and risk of what he's attempting. These other guys not so much.

 

[Captante]

This has already been covered.... it's more expensive and complex to seal the capsule with a hatch that can be opened and closed easily.

There's no technical reason it can't be done that I'm aware of.

And what, exactly is the "rationale" for not including a CHEAP set of explosive bolts to allow escape on the surface ala the Mercury capsule?

 

[dainthomas]

There's a few possible scenarios here. This submersible had lost comms before on other dives and eventually regained communication with the mother ship. Most likely what happened here but then didn't regain comms.

In case of electrical failure, the sub has some ballast weights it would drop which would make it float to the top.

It could be somewhere in the ocean on or near the surface, which I think would be really hard to see because it was a dumb idea to paint it white and blue. This case it's only a matter of time before they run out of air vs someone finding it and seeing it in the vast ocean.

It could have gotten stuck in the titanic wreckage on a cable or something on the sea bed..worst outcome since they dont have another sub to go that deep and even navy subs don't go that far down.

Or it had some sort of electrical failure, floated up again as a safety measure but reached neutral buoyancy and is not at the surface but floating somewhere in the middle of the ocean, also horrible outcome as it would be extremely hard to find.

It sounds morbid but best case scenario would be the port hole glass which had reports of not even being manufactured to be in water greater than 1300 meters, had a failure since it has been in 3 other dives and wear and tear took place..and because of the pressure the sub imploded..which would mean passengers died before they even knew what was happening.

I dunno but if I'm a millionaire and I pay $250k to go on this expedition, and you show me this vessel upon arriving, that's controlled with a PC controller from 1998 or whatever, I'm turning around and going back to my millionaire lifestyle, no fuss.

Seems like it almost has to have imploded at this point. Wasn't one of the ballast systems supposed to dissolve after 16 hours, without any human input? Unless they tried to go in the ship and got stuck, the only other options are imploded or at the surface.

I suppose it's too much to assume they packed an epirb in case they were lost at the surface in their water/wave colored tin can.

 

[K1052]

Seems like it almost has to have imploded at this point. Wasn't one of the ballast systems supposed to dissolve after 16 hours, without any human input? Unless they tried to go in the ship and got stuck, the only other options are imploded or at the surface.

I suppose it's too much to assume they packed an epirb in case they were lost at the surface in their water/wave colored tin can.

Supposedly some kind of glue is supposed to dissolve after that time and release the ballast if they could not jettison. Could have not worked for some reason or they're hung up on something if they're on the bottom.