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K1052

K1052

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dainthomas said:
They're all paying to peer out of that tiny porthole on the front? Seems like you couldn't even see through that as well as you could with an ROV covered in cameras. This kinda boils down to the same kind of argument as to whether manned space flight is worth it. When we can do almost all the same science with probes, and at none of the risk.

Apart from it looking like something a DIYer cobbled together in their back yard, the fact that there's no locator beacon or tether and they bolt you in from the outside gets a big ol' nope from me.
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I mean I don't think we should be sending people to peep through portholes at Jupiter because its of limited value. Going on to explore and colonize Mars and the moon? Likely more long term upsides. Space tourism could help pay for some of that until off world ventures like resource extraction become viable.

And no I'm not climbing in somebody's home brew carbon fiber drainage tube to be sunk in the ocean to get a much worse view of the Titanic than a good VR setup can now deliver.
 
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K1052 said:
I mean I don't think we should be sending people to peep through portholes at Jupiter because its of limited value. Going on to explore and colonize Mars and the moon? Likely more long term upsides. Space tourism could help pay for some of that until off world ventures like resource extraction become viable.

And no I'm not climbing in somebody's home brew carbon fiber drainage tube to be sunk in the ocean to get a much worse view of the Titanic than a good VR setup can now deliver.
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That's a fair point. Also (presumably) in those cases the equipment would be higher quality and thoroughly tested. With at least some redundancies.
 
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Pens1566 said:
Imagine being a billionaire and spending $250k to die in an operation that's run like that ... more money than brains.
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What's weird is, he went on Bezos' rocket so he was aware of what a well funded and relatively safe operation looks like. And he'd also gone down to Challenger Deep in the Limiting Factor. I don't know how you can do either of those, then look at this thing and think taking it to the bottom of the ocean is a great idea.
 
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It could have been as simple as some suicide mission? After all, apparently they all like to take risks? If Jeff Bezos could not blow them up, then try something else?

Can you imagine the looks on their face when the operation uttered those famous last words, "ohhh shit".
If the craft imploded, there will be little to find. It just takes one little crack.
 
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uk.news.yahoo.com

James Cameron turned down offer to dive in OceanGate sub

All five passengers on board Titan submersible were killed by a 'catastrophic implosion'
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A rescue mission to the depths of the Titanic would not be possible, a former Royal Navy commander told MailOnline - suggesting the five people on board can only be saved if they are on, or close to, the surface.

"There is no way of rescuing them" if they are far below the surface, explained Ryan Ramsey, 53. "Most rescue systems can get only reach 500m (1,640ft) not 3,000m (9,000ft)."

"The technology, as far as I'm aware, doesn't exist to carry out a rescue operation that deep. If they are still in a position to be rescued, they're running out of air and creating more carbon dioxide - that's a killer."
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The five people on board the missing submersible will be sitting in the cold and dark if battery power on the vessel has run down.

Expert Tim Maltin said in an interview with Sky News: "Basically it's a very small capsule and it's cold down there - they need battery power to keep warm and battery power for light, and if they run out of that it will get very cold and pitch black immediately.

"For me, they need to be bobbing on the surface because if they've managed to get the sub up to the surface - hopefully a search and rescue helicopter will be able to pick them up."
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The submersible, a Cyclops-2 model named Titan, is the second Cyclops model built by OceanGate, after the Cyclops-1.

As there are no doors on the craft, it is thought passengers begin their journey by climbing in through an entry hatch which is then bolted shut from the outside before they descend 13,000ft (2.4 miles) beneath the ocean surface to the Titanic.

There are no seats on the 22ft long, 9.5ft wide, and 9.2ft high cylindrical craft, meaning passengers must sit on the hard floor without shoes, which they are required to leave behind.

If they need the toilet, they must use a small black box separated by a curtain from the rest of the crew.

Cut off from communication with the outside world, they have no idea of whether they will ever be found.

There are no windows except a small bolthole directly next to the toilet at the front of the craft which is also the primary viewpoint to look out at the Titanic.

When the craft was still operational, the pilot used a modified Logitech games controller to steer it.

Conditions are cramped.
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I doubt the passengers would have opted to go, had they known these facts. But if they did, wow, they must have wanted a fancy underwater drowning death badly.
 
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thilanliyan

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senseamp said:
This is not risks to accomplish something new for humanity, just doing something others have done for personal vanity or curiosity.
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I mostly agree, but what's wrong with going for curiosity? Anytime you go to the depths of the ocean there is always the opportunity to see new sea life. I dive quite a bit myself so I'm probably biased but I'd jump at the opportunity to go that deep!

EDIT: Having said all that, after reading a bit more about the craft...I'd probably wait for something designed and built better to check my vanity in the depths :D
 
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These wouldn't begin to help at the ridiculous depths they are at. Heck, I don't think they actually use Steinke hoods anymore but I've watched in amusement the rolling around on the deck fun, the sailors have putting these on.



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Even with a DSRV that could go down that deep (which doesn't exist). We couldn't mate up to the "thing" as it doesn't have a hatch that is compatible. Nor do we have a cable system capable of attaching and pulling them up. At Best they have 40 hours or less.

I'm thinking if it is hopeless they would have been better off to have a hull failure. Pop and gone, they probably wouldn't even know it. Much better than suffering for 96 hours.
 
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an ROV could locate them and attach a tether, and a surface ship could bring them to the surface.
That is a possibility. Not likely but in the words of Jim Carrey
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We have conquered the skies. Sent probes past our solar system. And we still can't find stuff in the depths of our oceans. That's where all the aliens and their flying saucers are hiding.
 
sdifox

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skyking said:
an ROV could locate them and attach a tether, and a surface ship could bring them to the surface.
That is a possibility. Not likely but in the words of Jim Carrey
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You carry 6km of steel cable around?
 
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