Looks like The Titanic killed a few more people

[Captante]

Seems like it almost has to have imploded at this point. Wasn't one of the ballast systems supposed to dissolve after 16 hours, without any human input? Unless they tried to go in the ship and got stuck, the only other options are imploded or at the surface.

I suppose it's too much to assume they packed an epirb in case they were lost at the surface in their water/wave colored tin can.

Thanks! Yet ANOTHER "WTFrack/Darwin" thing .... WHY pray-tell isn't this thing painted SIGNAL ORANGE ??????

It's not like the fish give two craps!

Those colors are used by the USN to camouflage naval vessels at sea in time of war! Fracking brilliant.

 

[sze5003]

Yea either imploded or reached neutral boyancy where it's just floating around somewhere above sea floor and the surface just stuck in the current.

Also even if this thing has an escape hatch engineered, what good would it do? You are 1-2 miles deep in the ocean. Opening that hatch everyone would die instantly. Even if it had the hatch pressurize correctly, they didn't have a way to reach the surface from those depths. They are certainly not swimming up without any other assistance.

 

[Captante]

Yea either imploded or reached neutral boyancy where it's just floating around somewhere above sea floor and the surface just stuck in the current.

Also even if this thing has an escape hatch engineered, what good would it do? You are 1-2 miles deep in the ocean. Opening that hatch everyone would die instantly. Even if it had the hatch pressurize correctly, they didn't have a way to reach the surface from those depths. They are certainly not swimming up without any other assistance.

However said hatch MIGHT just come in handy while bobbing on the surface! (instead of looking out at all that wonderful air through a bolted on hatch/window... in your cleverly camouflaged death-trap!)

 

[Pens1566]

I don't think they had been submerged long enough (when comms were lost) to have been on the floor yet to get fouled. My money is still on implosion, distant second is floating somewhere and just not detectable.

 

[Captante]

I don't think they had been submerged long enough (when comms were lost) to have been on the floor yet to get fouled. My money is still on implosion, distant second is floating somewhere and just not detectable.

Agreed .... sad to say but I'm fairly certain they're all dead. (hope it was quick and with no warning)

 

[Zorba]

it's 400 atmosphere pressure down there... 40 Megapascal or 6,000 PSI for you metric challenged.

Megapascal is the metric unit. You appear to be metrically challenged saying atmospheres...

 

[Captante]

It is unusual to lack redundant safety systems and emergency beacons AFAIK. Also Deepsea Challenger is a single man craft and would never be piloted by somebody without extensive training and experience (and yes Cameron counts).

"Deep Sea Challenger" doesn't look NEARLY so much like a HS science project FWIW.

Also James Cameron has every right to risk HIS OWN LIFE.

And as an aside .... note how the Challenger is painted BRIGHT YELLOW-GREEN not ocean-camouflage grey and white??




As I've been saying.... the designers of "Ocean Explorer Titan" were 100% shortsighted morons who failed to account for Murphy's law. (maybe the people from Boeing who "approved" that POS also wrote the MCAS code for the 737 max?)

I won't go so far as to say they deserve to die for being dumb but they really tempted the grim reaper!

 

[sportage]

The news has pretty much stopped talking about this. Now it's back to Hunter Biden and China. I think it's pretty obvious the outcome to everyone. And after the oxygen time expires, they will stop looking altogether. Won't be the need. Not worth the expense nor the resources nor the risk. These things happen.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Not much of an update from the coast guard.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671567206872645654

 

[Captante]

The news has pretty much stopped talking about this. Now it's back to Hunter Biden and China. I think it's pretty obvious the outcome to everyone. And after the oxygen time expires, they will stop looking altogether. Won't be the need. Not worth the expense nor the resources nor the risk. These things happen.

They'll absolutely keep looking ... not forever but for quite some time. Just not with the same "urgency".

Not much of an update from the coast guard.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671567206872645654

They're not blowing sunshine up anyone's a$$.

 

[sdifox]

Megapascal is the metric unit. You appear to be metrically challenged saying atmospheres...

ATM is pretty commonly used. Bar is metric I think.

 

[Captante]

ATM is pretty commonly used. Bar is metric I think.

"The bar is a metric unit of pressure, but not part of the International System of Units (SI). It is defined as exactly equal to 100,000 Pa (100 kPa), or slightly less than the current average atmospheric pressure on Earth at sea level (approximately 1.013 bar)."

~ Per Wiki/Google

 

[sdifox]

So weird, metric but not part of SI...

 

[IronWing]

Not much of an update from the coast guard.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1671567206872645654

Wat? How does one detect underwater noises from an aircraft? Did they mean surface craft?

 

[sdifox]

Wat? How does one detect underwater noises from an aircraft? Did they mean surface craft?

They drop sonobuoys.

Maritime patrol aircraft - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Meghan54]

This has already been covered.... it's more expensive and complex to seal the capsule with a hatch that can be opened and closed easily.

There's no technical reason it can't be done that I'm aware of.

And what, exactly is the "rationale" for not including a CHEAP set of explosive bolts to allow escape on the surface ala the Mercury capsule?

Good q on the bolts. But then you’ve got to find some that’ll withstand the pressure of the ocean’s bottom while not accidentally detonating if bumped whilst under said pressure.

 

[amenx]

Fascinating. From a guy who visited the Titanic in a Russian submersible and experienced violent currents that banged their sub against the wreckage. So I can guess what might have gone wrong with the Titan.

 

[Greenman]

Thanks! Yet ANOTHER "WTFrack/Darwin" thing .... WHY pray-tell isn't this thing painted SIGNAL ORANGE ??????

It's not like the fish give two craps!

Those colors are used by the USN to camouflage naval vessels at sea in time of war! Fracking brilliant.

Seems like they could have done a better job if they had just watched The Abyss before building the thing.

 

[Zorba]

Supposedly some kind of glue is supposed to dissolve after that time and release the ballast if they could not jettison. Could have not worked for some reason or they're hung up on something if they're on the bottom.

Probably tested in room temperature, atmospheric pressure water.

 

[Captante]

Wat? How does one detect underwater noises from an aircraft? Did they mean surface craft?

I believe they drop floating/sinking sonar "listening" devices.

(whoops .... too slow!)

 

[sdifox]

Seems like they could have done a better job if they had just watched The Abyss before building the thing.

You missed the alien craft surfacing scene huh. That prop had similar build quality as the Titan 1.

 

[MrSquished]

I just did more research last week on a carbon fork for my bike than probably any of those folks did about this company and their toy submersible

 

[skyking]

I read reports that they have done test dives to that depth multiple times and tested in pressure chambers, but then this is according to the company.

The Titan submersible: What it is, what might have gone wrong and what's being done to find it

A growing number of aircraft and ships from the U.S. and Canada searched Tuesday for a submersible vessel carrying five people that disappeared on its way to the wreckage of the Titanic.

www.cp24.com

From the article:
"The takeaway is that it’s easier to go and rescue people in space than to dive that deep and rescue people because we can’t communicate easily,” he said. “It’s still a very, very risky endeavor, even with the technology of today.”

This guy is watched too many sci-fi movies.
Rescuing people in space implies an unscheduled launch. Yeah we're all set to do that at any moment.
" Hey George, fire up number 13 tomorrow morning and go get those guys"
:Facepalming:

 

[K1052]

From the article:
"The takeaway is that it’s easier to go and rescue people in space than to dive that deep and rescue people because we can’t communicate easily,” he said. “It’s still a very, very risky endeavor, even with the technology of today.”

This guy is watched too many sci-fi movies.
Rescuing people in space implies an unscheduled launch. Yeah we're all set to do that at any moment.
" Hey George, fire up number 13 tomorrow morning and go get those guys"
:Facepalming:

I recommend that anybody who thinks rescuing people in space is easy (or easier than a deep ocean rescue) take a long gander at Appendix D.13 (STS-107 In-Flight Options Assessment) of the Columbia Accident Investigation report.

 

[Zorba]

ATM is pretty commonly used. Bar is metric I think.

Bar and ATM are just units of convenience, just like a BTU or HP in English units.

So weird, metric but not part of SI...

Yeah, people like to bastardize SI just like they like to bastardize English Units. WTF is a KG/cm^2 on my tire gauge?