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Genx87

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Wow. Impressive. Not on topic at all, just another Liberal Bash Rant tossed in with a side helping of Gore! Didn't know he was a factor in this beheading. And as far as painting Bush as those things, he already has enough coats he painted on all by himself. He doesn't need any Liberals to paint him a moron, war mongering, oil grabbing, stock swindling emperor.

I know liberals typically have a very hard time looking at things in the correct perspective. But if you go up and see where I am coming from then maybe next time you post it wont make you look like such an ass.

BTW if you need a little help I am replying to TravisT with my own opinion on why this will probably just end up on the back page of some newspaper while the liberals cry like girls about the prison abuse and call for Rummys head. I just used an example about Kerry to prove my point.

Good day.
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: steeplerot
This is exactly what you get when you occupy a forigen country and the people want you out. I can't believe people see this and want to stay for more.
Better you then me I guess. Thats what it all comes down to.
I hope his family gets justice from the US govermentfor putting this young man in such a horrible prediciment.
(He was suppossed to have been home with his family but wasen't thanks to another govermemnt screw up.)
Nuking anyone is a very stupid idea. Go read what it does to the planet. Your killing yourselves for revenge against a people doing this becasue WE are there.
Well maybe other people are but I am sure not.
Shameful time to have been born in US.
This country has no buisness in these peoples land.
Nor do the Israelis.
US and Isreal out of mideast the sooner the better.

actually...

this is what you get when you pussyfoot around with people who only speak one language, they do not want to be your "friend". they do not want to share ideas and be "tolerant" of you. if we leave the majority of people in iraq who depise the terrorist as much as we do will suffer, just as they did under saddam.

they want people to to think as they do or die for daring not to...period. and will use any excuse to do it. and it is really that simple. we can fight this war in the middle east, or fight it here eventually.

as for as occupied land goes, unless you are a native american as I am YOU need to get of the "occupied land" YOU are living on before you have any right to self righteously order others to do so. the jews have more of a right to israel than anyone else, it is the land of thier ancestors just as the occupied territory you renamed "america" does not really belong to most of those who go around pointing their fingers at others.


:beer:

Best post in this thread.
 

beyoku

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Originally posted by: lvl3
I think Bush should take away current television rights from all Americans and replace it with three censored stations. Then, take away all internet access. Then, prohibit all negative action against the government. Then, let's see who complains that the war was a bad idea.

The heck with the Iraqis, Saddam, their government, and their religion.

Letting the Iraqis have a voice in world relations simply because they exist is like letting a ford escort race NASCAR simply because it shows up at the track.

They are behind in times. The modern countries are flourishing in technological achievement (not that it is always a good thing) and here we have stupid little Iraq and the rest of the moronic Islamic what-the-fvck-ever countries screwing around in the Middle Ages while they praise to some god.

The fact that they continue to reproduce at normal rates is a perfect and perhaps the simplest example of their lack of civilized manner and intelligence.

There are 6.3 BILLION people on the earth; and that count is increasing at an exponential rate. Do people really believe that technology is going to outpace human ignorance and somehow we are going to find a way to continually fit people among the land and provide enough resources? In fact, LACK of resources is probably what will curb human growth rather than our own directed effort. Christ, in countries that have abundant resources, people cannot even control their own weight.

When will people realize that humans are not special? Claiming title of being civilized should mean that one understands that all humans have to take a certain responsibility regarding biological development and reproduction.

Yes, it would be great if everyone on earth could live happily ever-after in a peaceful world. Sadly, that does not happen and will not happen. As mentioned, humans are flawed. There might always be that "wrench in the system". If that wrench is left in the system simply because "it exists" or "it's already there" is a terrible move that will only cause additional problems in the future.

Ya know what, I just want to throw this in right now. Those fvckers who killed Nick Berg need to die. Yes, die. Killed. Murdered. Slain. I think someone should offer a reward to any who captures video of those men being fed into an industrial-sized wood chipper, feet first, very slowly.

They claim they killed Nick because some hot-headed soldiers made some men get naked and masturbate. Jesus fvcking Christ. Here, I'll tell you what. Go on Kazaa, and you can see a whole bunch of men (and women) doing every type of sexual act you can think of. BIG FRIKKIN' DEAL.

Who knows what the real story was behind the abuse. Maybe the officer who ordered some of those techniques lost a buddy to one those asshole's RPG attacks. Maybe those men being abused are confirmed to have actually taken up arms against US troops. Maybe the MP's were extremely burnt out, tired of Iraq, tired of the people, tired of all the bullshit, and couldn't care less about a bunch of people who think they have a right to life. Sad, but true.

Yet, here we have a bunch of uncivilized terrorists with absolutely no concept of the current state of the world, taking a man (Nick Berg) who wanted nothing more than to help bring Iraq into the 21st century, cut his head off, and claim it was for a worthy cause and equal to actions of the United States. Real smart. Not.

Someone tell me what the frik is up with people and religion? Not just those freaks over in Iraq, Israel, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, and where-the-fvck-ever... but also world-wide?

It's one thing to simply have a belief in what life is and live your life accordingly. It's another thing to run around with RPGs, rising up against American soldiers because they get close to a mosque.

Religion is such a joke these days. Everyone thinks "their" religion is the correct one (otherwise, they would obviously be practicing another type). Yet, religion is just a set of beliefs people are mostly born into.

Take a new born child from Israel, stick it in a non-religious family (which does not prohibit their children?s decisions) in Europe, and he will grow up to form his OWN beliefs about the world and universe. He would not be brain-washed from the day he was born like many people are in these ancient nations living in the past. They only serve to repeat a cycle of rinse and repeat, generation after generation, continually preventing the society around them from progressing forward to the most possible (at the current state of time) modern understanding of life itself.

Killing is justifiable at times because being born does not grant anyone a right to life. Unfortunately, current law says otherwise for the time being.

Again, the problem is that humans have not modernized at an equal pace. Unfortunately, that's life. Yes, it's sad. You know what's also sad? That fact that humans continue to kill animals for pleasure or other idiotic reasons (such as to the claim their bones for ancient medicinal use).

I recently read an article somewhere on the net about some pet shop owner in some undeveloped country that had animals kept in very, very, very small cages. Decent sized cats in containers the size of a shoe box. Puppies so cramped up in a cage that they were stacked on top of each other?

What purpose? Who the fvck knows? That little man somehow believes that being human grants him the right to life even if it means exploiting the weakness of other life forms on this earth. Unfortunately, that pet shop was in some country that has no laws regarding animal treatment, therefore he claims he will not change his practice.

I often hear people talk of animals like they are worthless pieces of trash. I see animals caged up for the sole purpose of providing humans with eye candy and entertainment.

Well, I'll tell you what. There is one moment in time that I wish I could be witness to (if it ever takes place). It's when advanced extra-terrestrials discover planet earth. The catch is that the intelligence (and technology) barrier between them and us is the same ratio found between us and animals.

What that means is that they (the extra-terrestrials) would be so far beyond our level of intelligence that we would be nothing more than "animals" to them... just as we see the creatures on this planet as just "animals". We would then be treated subsequently. Separated. Caged up. Abused. Hunted. Took to strange places. All the morons on the planet would be trying to figure out why this was happening even though the answer is right in front of them.

You are probably wondering what this has to do with Iraq. The connection is that there simply are people who exist who have not any concept of intelligent, civilized life. These people over in Iraq (both the terrorists and civilians) are the sad result of branched human development. While attempting to bring an entire country out of ancient times into the modern world may be possible, sacrafices are without a doubt acceptable and unavoidable. These people need to look at the pinnacle members of the world and modify their worldview when needed.

You are probably about to ask, well... how do I know what the pinnacle of our species is? Well, the answer is, I don't. However, my respect rests with those members of our species who are part of every step of the ladder towards advancing our understanding of the universe, biology, and life itself.

Developing advanced outer-space transportation concepts. Protecting the environment. Reaching out further into the universe. Dwelling beyond the atom. Conquering aging and biological weakness.

These are just some of the basic issues I would think would qualify as being very important to the future of all humans.

I should hope that those who truly strive to achieve such goals are seen to be among the zenith of our society and are supported in every fashion.

Or we can all just forget applicable behavior. Let's all go grab Rocket-Propelled-Grenades and run around with towels on our heads blowing sh|t up, cutting people's heads, practicing worn out religious beliefs, forgetting realistic world-views.. all in the name of some god off some scripture that some ancient people simply wrote down for kicks.

You decide.

The United States needs to capture one of these terrorist sh|theads, stick him in front of a CNN camera, and ask him, "WHAT ARE YOU FIGHTING FOR?"

You know how he'll most likely reply? With a bunch of bullsh|t pertaining to god, religion, and whatever other worthless ideas those people apparently believe in. (Yes, I call them worthless ideas because of their current state of life. Gee, GOD has done so much for them, huh?)

It won't be anything regarding achieving lasting peace, improved resource production, better understanding of the universe, anti-aging, advancements in medicine, disease eradication, etc.. etc..

The Middle East is all jacked up. I am so glad to be a part of America; to have been able to form my own view of life; to not have been "born" into a religion; to not be part of a people who are just slaves to a group-think society; to enjoy the luxury of technology (with certain respects to cause and effect); to be part of a democratic government; to have access to great educational resources; and the list goes on.

Does America have problems? Yes. There are tons of things wrong with America. Does every other country have problems? Yes. Why? As mentioned, the flaw is human.

Maybe the Iraqis want to go back to three censored television stations, no internet, no free speech, no good educational system, harsh punishments for violations of the system, etc....

Sure does not sound like a place I'd like to live. If that's what they really want, then more power to them. If they are so smart, let's pull out and let them figure it all out. Captain, I need warp speed, pronto!

* Please excuse any cursing and my simple vocabulary. I refuse to use $5 words when $1 words work just fine and provide accessibility to a broader audience.

Thanks.

flocknine@hotmail.com

HELL NO - this is ETHNOCENTRIC view - what makes you think that we are more "civilized " than them. just about every techical breakthough we make is used to make a weapon to kill some body. There is a human flaw, that flaw is thinking one is better based on some silly advance that they have - or some creation that they have - i bet us "civilized" people over in the us will be the fisrt to blow up the freaking world - as we were the first to drop the Bomb - that was pretty civilized - all the little things that they do can NEVER compare to what Christains and Europeans have done thoughout history - The US takes the freaking cake on secret war, genocide, and installing dictators. If they ask US army memebers what they are fighting for im sure they will spew out that same garbage about, WMD, terror links etc. etc. .......im off the thread - we would not even be having this conversation if it wasnt for who? And in that case do you think there would have been a mushroom cloud over the US by now? If not then who is right?...........im off the thread this is nutz
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Genx87
The problem with the liberal media is they are still burned by Gore losing in 2000. They have tried everything they could to pain Bush as a moron, war mongering, oil grabbing, stock swindling emperor.
The latest stories are no different. This is an election year so you can expect an extra dose of BS with your news on a nightly basis from the big 3(ABC, NBC, CBS).

The saddest part is there are millions of people who buy into this and millions who will be affected by this.

How much press did John Kerry missing the vote yesterday and thus keeping thousands from recieving help? I bet is it on the back page of most newspapers and doesnt even get on the evening news. Sure it isnt a huge deal except Kerry is a man for the middle class as they say and he didnt even have the respect to do his job and vote for the middle class.

Of course the Kerry campaign came back with it was all Bush's fault. Of course it is Bushs fault John Kerry didnt do his job and vote, why wouldnt it be?

So we can expect to see people outraged in the media at the prisoner abuse by not caring about things like this.

blah blah blah...liberal media...blah blah blah...bash kerry...off topic...blah blah blah

Just another excuse from a dittohead to try and denigrate the term "liberal".
 

Genx87

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blah blah blah...liberal media...blah blah blah...bash kerry...off topic...blah blah blah

Just another excuse from a dittohead to try and denigrate the term "liberal".

I know liberals typically have a very hard time looking at things in the correct perspective. But if you go up and see where I am coming from then maybe next time you post it wont make you look like such an ass.

BTW if you need a little help I am replying to TravisT with my own opinion on why this will probably just end up on the back page of some newspaper while the liberals cry like girls about the prison abuse and call for Rummys head. I just used an example about Kerry to prove my point.

Good day.
 

TravisT

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TravisT
Most of the people here are severely corrupted by the media. It seems most with statements such as...

'Is America making the world a better place?'

... feel that we are just as evil as the guys in this picture. Well, lets get some facts here.

We know Iraqi civilians were tortured and hungry prior to going over there. We know mothers, sisters, daughters were being raped. We know that fathers, brothers, and sons were being beaten unmercifully and more times than not, to death. People were having weapons 'tested' on them. There was near to no education, only 1/3 of the country had electricity, ect ect
And how much of that had been going on in the last decade, post Gulf War?

Also:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/20031114.html
Education in Iraq in the 1980s was among the highest performing systems in the region. But Saddam Hussein used teachers as an extension of his political party to spread propaganda. In addition, he stopped professional development. Teachers, like the rest of the nation, were cut off from the progress that was occurring in the rest of the world. The most obvious effect ? though not by any means the only one ? is that thousands of school buildings have not been maintained.

I guess you chose not to bold this, here, i'll do it for you:

Teachers, like the rest of the nation, were cut off from the progress that was occurring in the rest of the world.

So, what's your point? People arn't being educated properly, that was mine.

Now, we have over 16,000 Iraqi soldiers fighting WITH US. 2/3 of the country now has electricity. Kids are now being educated. Men and Women are no longer being tortured and raped
As long as they're not in our prisons.

I agree, and? Why would we kill or take POW's that were not against us... particularly, 16,000 of them. We have supporters over there, that was my point.

And you guys are asking stupid liberal media corrupted questions such as that B.S.
What stupid liberal media would that be? The "liberal media" as a bad thing is a lie. It's just a continuation of the right-wing attempt to tarnish the word "liberal". Of course media will be typically liberal. Freedom of the press, Freedom of speech, Freedom Information Act. Catching a pattern here? It's about Freedom. I think you intend to label the media as leftist, which is far from the truth.

It is? When is the last time were shown anything positive coming from the war even though there are PLENTY of positive things coming out that are being chosen not to discuss. Just like the Right-wing rules the radio, the left wing is taking the TV genre.

I don't have a problem with the term 'liberal' i don't typically agree with their point of views morally. However, I'm more referring to their ideas such as this: "Lets get out of Iraq and let the UN handle it". They seem to overlook history, and history repeats itself. Not sure if they are wanting another 3,000 to die or not. If Bush doesn't get re-elected, we pull out of Iraq (although we won't pull out completely according to Kerry (common misconception among democrats)) and we have another catostrophy such as the World Trade Centers happen somewhere else in our country... it lies on your shoulders, not mine.

I am pissed, i'm not suggesting blowing the whole place down, although, i wouldn't be subject to specific areas over there. What do you liberals suggest at this point? Is this guy's death going to be forgotten 2 months from now just like Daniel's was in 2002? Do you guys feel we're dealing with average joe people like you and I who just go to work everyday and mind their own business?

I simply don't understand most of you and your totally single-minded way of thinking. All thaty ou guys care about is Bush not getting re-elected, when that really means very little when we have our own American Friends and Family members over there dying.

I guess you guys seems to forget that to though, again, complete morons.

Care to try that last sentence in English, moron?

Read it a little more carefully, despite the grammar error in it, it's completely readable. Then again, I guess you had to overlook the point just like most other liberals do all the time on every other issue.
 

Kindjal

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Originally posted by: Darkstar757
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I say to the fvking sand into glass.

I agree Time to turn that bvtch into GLASS

Lucky i dont have my hand on the trigger.

Its tactical NUKE TIME!

Exactly - what a great excuse to make sure the stockpile still works.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TravisT
Most of the people here are severely corrupted by the media. It seems most with statements such as...

'Is America making the world a better place?'

... feel that we are just as evil as the guys in this picture. Well, lets get some facts here.

We know Iraqi civilians were tortured and hungry prior to going over there. We know mothers, sisters, daughters were being raped. We know that fathers, brothers, and sons were being beaten unmercifully and more times than not, to death. People were having weapons 'tested' on them. There was near to no education, only 1/3 of the country had electricity, ect ect
And how much of that had been going on in the last decade, post Gulf War?

Also:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/20031114.html
Education in Iraq in the 1980s was among the highest performing systems in the region. But Saddam Hussein used teachers as an extension of his political party to spread propaganda. In addition, he stopped professional development. Teachers, like the rest of the nation, were cut off from the progress that was occurring in the rest of the world. The most obvious effect ? though not by any means the only one ? is that thousands of school buildings have not been maintained.

I guess you chose not to bold this, here, i'll do it for you:

Teachers, like the rest of the nation, were cut off from the progress that was occurring in the rest of the world.

So, what's your point? People arn't [sic] being educated properly, that was mine.
You're a hoot! I just love the irony you keep providing.

BTW, nice back-pedaling. Your point was that there "was near to no education". Now you're saying just that they weren't educated properly. Saddam actually tried to eliminate illiteracy and allowed women to receive an education. You might have faired well under that system. You certainly show signs that our education system here has failed, at least in your case.

Now, we have over 16,000 Iraqi soldiers fighting WITH US. 2/3 of the country now has electricity. Kids are now being educated. Men and Women are no longer being tortured and raped
As long as they're not in our prisons.

I agree, and? Why would we kill or take POW's that were not against us... particularly, 16,000 of them. We have supporters over there, that was my point.
My point being completely lost on you. 70-90% of those arrested were innocent.

And you guys are asking stupid liberal media corrupted questions such as that B.S.
What stupid liberal media would that be? The "liberal media" as a bad thing is a lie. It's just a continuation of the right-wing attempt to tarnish the word "liberal". Of course media will be typically liberal. Freedom of the press, Freedom of speech, Freedom Information Act. Catching a pattern here? It's about Freedom. I think you intend to label the media as leftist, which is far from the truth.

It is? When is the last time were shown anything positive coming from the war even though there are PLENTY of positive things coming out that are being chosen not to discuss. Just like the Right-wing rules the radio, the left wing is taking the TV genre.
I've seen and read plenty of the good that's going on. Not sure what you're watching/reading.

I don't have a problem with the term 'liberal' i don't typically agree with their point of views morally. However, I'm more referring to their ideas such as this: "Lets get out of Iraq and let the UN handle it". They seem to overlook history, and history repeats itself. Not sure if they are wanting another 3,000 to die or not. If Bush doesn't get re-elected, we pull out of Iraq (although we won't pull out completely according to Kerry (common misconception among democrats)) and we have another catostrophy such as the World Trade Centers happen somewhere else in our country... it lies on your shoulders, not mine.
I'm not hearing too many people clamoring to "let the UN handle it." If anything, people are wanting us to pull out and let the Iraqis deal with their own country. Also, it's not just liberals and those on the left, it is true conservatives and moderates, like myself, too.

I am pissed, i'm not suggesting blowing the whole place down, although, i wouldn't be subject to specific areas over there. What do you liberals suggest at this point? Is this guy's death going to be forgotten 2 months from now just like Daniel's was in 2002? Do you guys feel we're dealing with average joe people like you and I who just go to work everyday and mind their own business?

I simply don't understand most of you and your totally single-minded way of thinking. All thaty ou guys care about is Bush not getting re-elected, when that really means very little when we have our own American Friends and Family members over there dying.

I guess you guys seems to forget that to though, again, complete morons.

Care to try that last sentence in English, moron?

Read it a little more carefully, despite the grammar error in it, it's completely readable. Then again, I guess you had to overlook the point just like most other liberals do all the time on every other issue.
No, it's not completely readable. It's a horridly written sentence and makes no sense. But, I'm not surprised that you're proud of it.
 

EXman

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Stripping people, forcing them to perform sexual acts, murdering them, is that a good christian tradistion?

Klixxer what the heck does Christianity have to do with the Prison? Was the Pope and GW Bush there ordering this in person? go away troll

Shut up already the outrage needs to be with that 26yo kid who got beheaded. Not with these Terrorist bastages that blow up peole and take their heads off.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: Lucky
Where are all you fvsking muslims around detroit and why are you not denouncing this disgusting behavior? I haven't heard ONE of your people say ONE thing tantamount to condemming this action. You that tolerate this without opening your mouth are JUST as culpable in this war as the sick bastards that committed this crime.

When Timothy McVeigh committed his terrorist act in the mid 90's did you denounce his behavior? Your probably a caucasian. He's a caucasian, so why didn't you denounce his actions?

Again for the thousandth time, most muslims do not engage in this sort of activity/behavior. To say that the muslim population needs to denounce this type of behavior is laughable. Why should they have to defend themselves because of those sick bastards?

Lucky although I do not agree with almost anything he says is %100 correct
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: EXman
Stripping people, forcing them to perform sexual acts, murdering them, is that a good christian tradistion?

Klixxer what the heck does Christianity have to do with the Prison? Was the Pope and GW Bush there ordering this in person? go away troll

Shut up already the outrage needs to be with that 26yo kid who got beheaded. Not with these Terrorist bastages that blow up peole and take their heads off.

He is saying that because America is recognized as a Christian Nation - Many here are blaming the acts of the terrorists on every Muslim

^^^ do you see what he is trying to say?
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: leeboy
Originally posted by: Genx87
The problem with the liberal media is they are still burned by Gore losing in 2000. They have tried everything they could to pain Bush as a moron, war mongering, oil grabbing, stock swindling emperor.
The latest stories are no different. This is an election year so you can expect an extra dose of BS with your news on a nightly basis from the big 3(ABC, NBC, CBS).

The saddest part is there are millions of people who buy into this and millions who will be affected by this.

How much press did John Kerry missing the vote yesterday and thus keeping thousands from recieving help? I bet is it on the back page of most newspapers and doesnt even get on the evening news. Sure it isnt a huge deal except Kerry is a man for the middle class as they say and he didnt even have the respect to do his job and vote for the middle class.

Of course the Kerry campaign came back with it was all Bush's fault. Of course it is Bushs fault John Kerry didnt do his job and vote, why wouldnt it be?

So we can expect to see people outraged in the media at the prisoner abuse by not caring about things like this.

Wow. Impressive. Not on topic at all, just another Liberal Bash Rant tossed in with a side helping of Gore! Didn't know he was a factor in this beheading. And as far as painting Bush as those things, he already has enough coats he painted on all by himself. He doesn't need any Liberals to paint him a moron, war mongering, oil grabbing, stock swindling emperor.

You are the people that give liberals a bad Name you're so caught up in winning the election and just being a smartypants you don't give a rat's a$$ about this poor kid.

We just want the Libs to STFU a sec and see what is really happening

Did this kid ferry Iraqi Oil on his fairytale Oil barge to GWB no prick he was trying to help the Iraqi people even many Iraqis and Arab/ Muslims are condeming this act of shear barbarism.

wake up and smell what you are shoveling! Stop defending your side and realize some poor kid is not coming home ever.
 

leeboy

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: leeboy
Originally posted by: Genx87
The problem with the liberal media is they are still burned by Gore losing in 2000. They have tried everything they could to pain Bush as a moron, war mongering, oil grabbing, stock swindling emperor.
The latest stories are no different. This is an election year so you can expect an extra dose of BS with your news on a nightly basis from the big 3(ABC, NBC, CBS).

The saddest part is there are millions of people who buy into this and millions who will be affected by this.

How much press did John Kerry missing the vote yesterday and thus keeping thousands from recieving help? I bet is it on the back page of most newspapers and doesnt even get on the evening news. Sure it isnt a huge deal except Kerry is a man for the middle class as they say and he didnt even have the respect to do his job and vote for the middle class.

Of course the Kerry campaign came back with it was all Bush's fault. Of course it is Bushs fault John Kerry didnt do his job and vote, why wouldnt it be?

So we can expect to see people outraged in the media at the prisoner abuse by not caring about things like this.

Wow. Impressive. Not on topic at all, just another Liberal Bash Rant tossed in with a side helping of Gore! Didn't know he was a factor in this beheading. And as far as painting Bush as those things, he already has enough coats he painted on all by himself. He doesn't need any Liberals to paint him a moron, war mongering, oil grabbing, stock swindling emperor.

You are the people that give liberals a bad Name you're so caught up in winning the election and just being a smartypants you don't give a rat's a$$ about this poor kid.

We just want the Libs to STFU a sec and see what is really happening

Did this kid ferry Iraqi Oil on his fairytale Oil barge to GWB no prick he was trying to help the Iraqi people even many Iraqis and Arab/ Muslims are condeming this act of shear barbarism.

wake up and smell what you are shoveling! Stop defending your side and realize some poor kid is not coming home ever.

Oh YOU STFU. I don't give a rats ass the about the poor kid? Wake up call, I lost my son in Iraq asshat. Eat some more fvcking crow you dipsh!t. Practice what you preach you hypocrite when comparing sides of the aisle. YOU are the kind of people that give conservatives a bad name. Going off half-cock without knowing a damn thing about what you are talking about. Pft.

:roll:
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: leeboy
Originally posted by: Genx87
The problem with the liberal media is they are still burned by Gore losing in 2000. They have tried everything they could to pain Bush as a moron, war mongering, oil grabbing, stock swindling emperor.
The latest stories are no different. This is an election year so you can expect an extra dose of BS with your news on a nightly basis from the big 3(ABC, NBC, CBS).

The saddest part is there are millions of people who buy into this and millions who will be affected by this.

How much press did John Kerry missing the vote yesterday and thus keeping thousands from recieving help? I bet is it on the back page of most newspapers and doesnt even get on the evening news. Sure it isnt a huge deal except Kerry is a man for the middle class as they say and he didnt even have the respect to do his job and vote for the middle class.

Of course the Kerry campaign came back with it was all Bush's fault. Of course it is Bushs fault John Kerry didnt do his job and vote, why wouldnt it be?

So we can expect to see people outraged in the media at the prisoner abuse by not caring about things like this.

Wow. Impressive. Not on topic at all, just another Liberal Bash Rant tossed in with a side helping of Gore! Didn't know he was a factor in this beheading. And as far as painting Bush as those things, he already has enough coats he painted on all by himself. He doesn't need any Liberals to paint him a moron, war mongering, oil grabbing, stock swindling emperor.

You are the people that give liberals a bad Name you're so caught up in winning the election and just being a smartypants you don't give a rat's a$$ about this poor kid.

We just want the Libs to STFU a sec and see what is really happening

Did this kid ferry Iraqi Oil on his fairytale Oil barge to GWB no prick he was trying to help the Iraqi people even many Iraqis and Arab/ Muslims are condeming this act of shear barbarism.

wake up and smell what you are shoveling! Stop defending your side and realize some poor kid is not coming home ever.

You attack leeboy personally for responding to Genx87's going WAY off-topic??

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ThePresence

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: Lucky
Where are all you fvsking muslims around detroit and why are you not denouncing this disgusting behavior? I haven't heard ONE of your people say ONE thing tantamount to condemming this action. You that tolerate this without opening your mouth are JUST as culpable in this war as the sick bastards that committed this crime.

When Timothy McVeigh committed his terrorist act in the mid 90's did you denounce his behavior? Your probably a caucasian. He's a caucasian, so why didn't you denounce his actions?

Again for the thousandth time, most muslims do not engage in this sort of activity/behavior. To say that the muslim population needs to denounce this type of behavior is laughable. Why should they have to defend themselves because of those sick bastards?

Lucky although I do not agree with almost anything he says is %100 correct

Maybe. The big difference is, though, McVeigh did not claim that what he was doing was according to the bible. He didn't blow up the place while screaming God is great. He didn't claim to do it in the name of religion. HAD he done that, I can guarantee that you would have seen hundreds of priests denouncing him.
 

peonyu

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Did the fact that Nick Berg was a jew have anything to do with the way those sub-humans killed him ?

the only other recent beheading than i can recall was done to David pearle, another jew.
 

Turgon

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I actually think that this one act affected some people more than 9/11. Does anyone else fear that more disgusting acts like this will actually create homegrown American terrorists that take it upon themselves to inflict great damage on Muslims? A crazy American with access to and skills to use dangerous materials/weapons is far more dangerous to the world than the typical barbaric Muslim terrorist.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: peonyu
Did the fact that Nick Berg was a jew have anything to do with the way those sub-humans killed him ?

the only other recent beheading than i can recall was done to David pearle, another jew.

Daniel Pearl.
 

macscr

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People that mention idiotic things like us soldiers beating up iraqi prisoners. Do you have any idea at all what your talking about? I was in iraq, for 10 months. As a military police officer at the central internment facility for enemy prisoners of war. My unit processed over 10,000 EPW's. Their was one incident out of all of those that we brought in and it was only a few bruises and i think one broken arm. It was unjustified on how it happened. You would have had to be their to understand. But guess what, we made sure those select few that did those things were court martialed and they were kicked out of the military. We did not want to have it happen again. Did you know that you cant even get a job at McDonalds if you have a dishonerabler discharge? Why did we prosecute them? Because what the soldiers had done was unprofessional and against the what we were taught. Did you know that their is less violence in the prisons in iraq than there are in the US? Did you know that the EPW's get paid, free clothing, free cigerates, good meals (even special ones for muslim holidays), potable water. Did you know that even in 147 degree weather that if the EPW's didnt get ice, the soldiers didnt? They got family visitations, while soldiers had been away from home for almost a year. When a prisoner would be released, not only was he paid, given food, clothing, he was given a ride home! That means soldiers had to risk their life to escort a detainee back to his home town. Sometimes it was a 13 hour trip! I remember one time we did that for 4 detainees. The detainees got to ride in AC too while we rode in our humvees that could reach temperatures over 180 degrees!

I had been to to REAL iraqi torture chambers where baathists would torture fellow iraqis. I have been to the rape houses, i have been to al qaeda training camps. I have seen the murals of saddam with a big smile on his face and the burning towers in the background. A fellow MP died outside Abu Garebe trying to protect the EPW's after several EPW's died from mortar fire from extremists. Im sick of peoples uneducated opinions. Oh, i saw it in the news, oh i saw it in a documentary. Do you think these things cant be skewed? This is all just my opinion, take it what its worth. I dont really want to become part of this forum, but I had to chime in after the post i saw about us beating prisoners to death. Rediculous. Im not even going to comment about the "humiliation" we caused some iraqi prisoners while a U.S. prisoner was beheaded, oh yeah, we treat iraqis so bad.....
 

CWRMadcat

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Originally posted by: macscr
People that mention idiotic things like us soldiers beating up iraqi prisoners. Do you have any idea at all what your talking about? I was in iraq, for 10 months. As a military police officer at the central internment facility for enemy prisoners of war. My unit processed over 10,000 EPW's. Their was one incident at of all of those that we brought in and it was only a few bruises and i think one broken arm. But guess what, we made sure those select few that did those things were court martialed and they were kicked out of the military. Did you know that you cant even get a job at McDonalds if you have a dishonerabler discharge? I had been to to REAL iraqi torture chambers where baathists would torture fellow iraqis. I have been to the rape houses, i have been to al qaeda training camps. I have seen the murals of saddam with a big smile on his face and the burning towers in the background. A fellow MP died outside Abu Garebe trying to protect the EPW's after several EPW's died from mortar fire from extremists. Im sick of peoples uneducated opinions. Oh, i saw it in the news, oh i saw it in a documentary. Do you think these things cant be skewed? Just my opinion, take it what its worth, and pick it apart you tree hugging hippies and liberals.


How do you skew a photo showing G.I.'s smiling and flashing thumbs up signs amidst nude iraqi prisoners? Though I certainly agree Saddam's brand of torture was far worse than anything we could come up with, it doesn't excuse that kind of behavior. Trying to rationalize those kinds of actions by saying we weren't "as bad" as Saddam doesn't make any sense.

And trying to slip in a snide comment about liberals is ridiculous. This should be seen as a human issue, not a partisan one.

But hey, if you can explain to me how those photos are misrepresentations of the truth, etc. I'm more than ready to listen.
 

macscr

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Just another addition, if you live in the United States and hate americans and what we stand for. If you dont think we are the best country in the world. Please please leave and go to whatever country you think is best. I would really appreciate it, because im sick of my friends dieing for something that you dont even appreciate (FREEDOM).
 

macscr

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they arent misrepresentation of the truth. I highly agree that it was the wrong for the soldiers to take pictures like that and put the thumbs up. Extremely unprofessional and to even act like you enjoy doing something like that is an embarrasment to the military and to americans. Im not saying what we were making the iraqis do was wrong at all though.
 

macscr

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About the comment about liberals, have you watched the news and seen how many democrats and liberals are trying to blame what happeed with the epws as if the whole military was to blame and how it was president bush's fault. I mean come on, it was a select few, and they should be punished. And no one should get out of trouble because they blamed it on "peer pressure". If your wrong, your wrong, plain and simple.
 

katka

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Go join your friends if you fell that strongly.

Also if you want people to go you should start relocate ungratedfull people in america fund to help facilitate the relocation. Taxes that one must pay while working a job in addition to the other bills for everyday living don't make it that easy to just pick-up and go. In addtion, I can tell that you have not been outside of the US. There are MANY places that have REAL FREEDOM, and less crime. If you were able to go with enough finances, trust me you would NEVER come back.
 

katka

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From what I have been seeing don't go to Ireland. There is some type of corrupt govenment, corrupt police, murder in the streets, civil war problems there. I have just seen a couple of documentaries don't read the papers to give substantial details.