law bans smoking in ga restaurants

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

yea but that nice tasty stench you have on you afterwards, that's sooo worth it. It only takes one moron smoking 15ft away to end up with it on your clothes.

You've heard of washing machines, right?

I'll wipe dirt on all smokers clothes when I'm near them so they have to wash theirs too. Fair?

Go for it, though you touching me against my will is assult.

Now you want the law when it suits you!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: free geeks

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
You can smoke while I eat when I can crap on your meal.

Why would you go to a place that allows smoking? I wouldn't go to a place that allows meal crapping.

More places allow smoking than don't. A severe reduction in your choice, or, put another way, your liberties due to your belief that smoking sucks donkey nads.

I visit places that have non-smoking sections. I know what it is like from both sides of the argument. I used to BE a smoker.

So because the majority of businesses don't do business the way you like, you feel entitled to rob them of their private property rights merely to cater to your comfort?

if want to enrich weapons grade plutonium on my private property, after all it's my right

Doing so is not a private property issue. It's illegal to do that ANYWHERE without the proper license. Doing so can also negatively effect your neighbors.

Going to ridiculous extremes in a vain attempt to trump an argument only show how weak your side is.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Nik
So close the windows and vents in your car. Change lanes and pass him. Get off the road. You *do* make sure that your air filter is properly working, yes?

Jesus, smokers have to bend over backwards to make the non-smokers happy, but apparently the non-smokers can go out of their way to find other ways to fvck up a smoker's rights. :roll:

They bitch and bitch and bitch, how much would they bitch if smoking was outright banned and that tax revenue dried up, and so got passed on to them?
I imagine smoking wouldn't seem quite so evil any more.

 

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: SampSon

i never said it was, i just said its great. i do agree though that it should be up to the business as far as what they can and cant do in their own property, and that its bs that the govt is regulating for them.

ps. you're backpeddling.

i know, because i didn't think before i made my first post

It's ok, most non-smokers don't think.

i dont need to think because i know smoking is stupid.

Go run some laps you asthmatic, defective excuse for a human being.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Hellspawn

Originally posted by: armatron
http://fsnews.findlaw.com/articles/ap/o/632/05-09-2005/c8c5000aa5c5724b.html

I do not smoke. I find it absolutely DISGUSTING. Even someone smoking in a car in front of my car is annoying and irritating.


However, the fact that the gov't steps in to tell private business owners whether or not they can allow smoking on their property is wrong. While this law benefits me, I still think it's wrong.

It's happening in more and more states, get used to it. I think it is GREAT. I can't wait until my state (Illinois) does the same exact thing.

What would your reaction be if the state forced you, and other private property owners to allow smoking on your property?

that is such a wrong statement. my property isn't for anyone in the public to come into and sit down while i serve them food. a restaraunt is. i see what you are trying to get at, but thats a bad attempt

Private property is private property. And my point applies to businesses as well. How would you feel if they said your private business MUST allow smoking?

 

[digitalsm]

Austin just barely got their ban passed last Saturday. It was ~51 to ~48.

 

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

yea but that nice tasty stench you have on you afterwards, that's sooo worth it. It only takes one moron smoking 15ft away to end up with it on your clothes.

You've heard of washing machines, right?

I'll wipe dirt on all smokers clothes when I'm near them so they have to wash theirs too. Fair?

Go for it, though you touching me against my will is assult.

Now you want the law when it suits you!

Don't argue using fallacies. It doesn't get your "point" across.
You're playing devils advocate with personal freedoms. You're never going to win.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i think its great! i live in maryland and they banned smoking in bars in my county.

i dont smoke, and i dont like the smell of smoke, and i dont like leaving places smelling like smoke, and i have asthma.

maybe if i was a little different and enjoyed smoking, liked smelling like smoke when i leave places, and didnt have asthma, then i would care.

smokers need to take that crap elsewhere. smoking is so disgusting.

Your comfort and auto-immune disorders are not the responsibility of other people. And they certainly do not warrant robbing private property owners of their rights to accommodate.

As much as resturants fight it, several studies have shown an increase in business to the resturants after the smoking ban is implemented.

 

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i think its great! i live in maryland and they banned smoking in bars in my county.

i dont smoke, and i dont like the smell of smoke, and i dont like leaving places smelling like smoke, and i have asthma.

maybe if i was a little different and enjoyed smoking, liked smelling like smoke when i leave places, and didnt have asthma, then i would care.

smokers need to take that crap elsewhere. smoking is so disgusting.

Your comfort and auto-immune disorders are not the responsibility of other people. And they certainly do not warrant robbing private property owners of their rights to accommodate.

As much as resturants fight it, several studies have shown an increase in business to the resturants after the smoking ban is implemented.

Funny, the same studies done here in ny state show a dramatic decrease in business volume. Many bars/restaurants have had to close up shop because of decreased business.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i think its great! i live in maryland and they banned smoking in bars in my county.

i dont smoke, and i dont like the smell of smoke, and i dont like leaving places smelling like smoke, and i have asthma.

maybe if i was a little different and enjoyed smoking, liked smelling like smoke when i leave places, and didnt have asthma, then i would care.

smokers need to take that crap elsewhere. smoking is so disgusting.

Your comfort and auto-immune disorders are not the responsibility of other people. And they certainly do not warrant robbing private property owners of their rights to accommodate.

As much as resturants fight it, several studies have shown an increase in business to the resturants after the smoking ban is implemented.

Which is a pointless argument for the government to make.
Market > Gov't.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
As much as resturants fight it, several studies have shown an increase in business to the resturants after the smoking ban is implemented.

Exactly! But the result is from having non-smoking places, not the ban itself. We know there is a market for non-smoking restaurants. We don't need a BAN, we need ENTERPRENEURS.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i think its great! i live in maryland and they banned smoking in bars in my county.

i dont smoke, and i dont like the smell of smoke, and i dont like leaving places smelling like smoke, and i have asthma.

maybe if i was a little different and enjoyed smoking, liked smelling like smoke when i leave places, and didnt have asthma, then i would care.

smokers need to take that crap elsewhere. smoking is so disgusting.

Your comfort and auto-immune disorders are not the responsibility of other people. And they certainly do not warrant robbing private property owners of their rights to accommodate.

As much as resturants fight it, several studies have shown an increase in business to the resturants after the smoking ban is implemented.

So shouldn't it be their right to decide to no longer allow it on their own property?

Your point is moot.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Nik
So close the windows and vents in your car. Change lanes and pass him. Get off the road. You *do* make sure that your air filter is properly working, yes?

Jesus, smokers have to bend over backwards to make the non-smokers happy, but apparently the non-smokers can go out of their way to find other ways to fvck up a smoker's rights. :roll:

They bitch and bitch and bitch, how much would they bitch if smoking was outright banned and that tax revenue dried up, and so got passed on to them?
I imagine smoking wouldn't seem quite so evil any more.

They'd just bitch about that too, like it's a smoker's fault that they have to pay higher taxes because if they didn't smoke so much in the first place, the government wouldn't have started taxing them then looking for lost revenue elsewhere when they ban smoking or some bullsh|t like that.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

yea but that nice tasty stench you have on you afterwards, that's sooo worth it. It only takes one moron smoking 15ft away to end up with it on your clothes.

You've heard of washing machines, right?

I'll wipe dirt on all smokers clothes when I'm near them so they have to wash theirs too. Fair?

Go for it, though you touching me against my will is assult.

Now you want the law when it suits you!

Don't argue using fallacies. It doesn't get your "point" across.
You're playing devils advocate with personal freedoms. You're never going to win.

You replied with a proposterous statement yourself. "You'd be assualting me" does not address the issue I presented in my example. I could use a thousand other analogies, but you decided to retort against the analogy, not what it represented.

Replace dirt with:-

- Sh!t stink machine
- Hot steam cloud
- A.N. Other obnoxious act that affects people in the surrounding area

Now counterpoint the concept, not the analogy.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: SampSon

i never said it was, i just said its great. i do agree though that it should be up to the business as far as what they can and cant do in their own property, and that its bs that the govt is regulating for them.

ps. you're backpeddling.

i know, because i didn't think before i made my first post

It's ok, most non-smokers don't think.

i dont need to think because i know smoking is stupid.

Go run some laps you asthmatic, defective excuse for a human being.

i cant cause im recooperating from my broken ankle still, cant run until the end of this month. however, i still do cardio on the eliptical machine for 30mins about 4 times a week, after i lift weights .

btw, i broke my ankle playing basketball, a very active sport .

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i think its great! i live in maryland and they banned smoking in bars in my county.

i dont smoke, and i dont like the smell of smoke, and i dont like leaving places smelling like smoke, and i have asthma.

maybe if i was a little different and enjoyed smoking, liked smelling like smoke when i leave places, and didnt have asthma, then i would care.

smokers need to take that crap elsewhere. smoking is so disgusting.

Your comfort and auto-immune disorders are not the responsibility of other people. And they certainly do not warrant robbing private property owners of their rights to accommodate.

As much as resturants fight it, several studies have shown an increase in business to the resturants after the smoking ban is implemented.

So shouldn't it be their right to decide to no longer allow it on their own property?

Your point is moot.

Considering they have to have a license from the city and county to have a resturant "on their property" the city and county can set whatever guidelines they want.

 

[imthebadguy]

its been like this in nyc for quite some time, actually all indoor bldg's in nyc

 

You replied with a proposterous statement yourself. "You'd be assualting me" does not address the issue I presented in my example. I could use a thousand other analogies, but you decided to retort against the analogy, not what it represented.

Replace dirt with:-

- Sh!t stink machine
- Hot steam cloud
- A.N. Other obnoxious act that affects people in the surrounding area

Now counterpoint the concept, not the analogy.

Smoking provides something that can be held as a positive quality for the consumer. Your three examples, or four if you include the wiping dirt on anothers clothing, do not. It's that simple.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: imthebadguy
its been like this in nyc for quite some time, actually all indoor bldg's in nyc

And now you have no freedom

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Hellspawn

Originally posted by: armatron
http://fsnews.findlaw.com/articles/ap/o/632/05-09-2005/c8c5000aa5c5724b.html

I do not smoke. I find it absolutely DISGUSTING. Even someone smoking in a car in front of my car is annoying and irritating.


However, the fact that the gov't steps in to tell private business owners whether or not they can allow smoking on their property is wrong. While this law benefits me, I still think it's wrong.

It's happening in more and more states, get used to it. I think it is GREAT. I can't wait until my state (Illinois) does the same exact thing.

What would your reaction be if the state forced you, and other private property owners to allow smoking on your property?

that is such a wrong statement. my property isn't for anyone in the public to come into and sit down while i serve them food. a restaraunt is. i see what you are trying to get at, but thats a bad attempt

Private property is private property. And my point applies to businesses as well. How would you feel if they said your private business MUST allow smoking?

but do you not see the point that smoking is unhealthy, where as not smoking won't affect your health? so making one place ALLOW smoking is different than allowing a place to NOT smoke, as far as the affects on people. the affects of ALLOWING smoking are negative, healthwise, whereas the affects of NOT SMOKING are positive, healthwise.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i think its great! i live in maryland and they banned smoking in bars in my county.

i dont smoke, and i dont like the smell of smoke, and i dont like leaving places smelling like smoke, and i have asthma.

maybe if i was a little different and enjoyed smoking, liked smelling like smoke when i leave places, and didnt have asthma, then i would care.

smokers need to take that crap elsewhere. smoking is so disgusting.

Your comfort and auto-immune disorders are not the responsibility of other people. And they certainly do not warrant robbing private property owners of their rights to accommodate.

As much as resturants fight it, several studies have shown an increase in business to the resturants after the smoking ban is implemented.

Funny, the same studies done here in ny state show a dramatic decrease in business volume. Many bars/restaurants have had to close up shop because of decreased business.

That's pretty much common sense considering you are forced into alienating over half of your clientel

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: SampSon

You replied with a proposterous statement yourself. "You'd be assualting me" does not address the issue I presented in my example. I could use a thousand other analogies, but you decided to retort against the analogy, not what it represented.

Replace dirt with:-

- Sh!t stink machine
- Hot steam cloud
- A.N. Other obnoxious act that affects people in the surrounding area

Now counterpoint the concept, not the analogy.

Smoking provides something that can be held as a positive quality for the consumer. Your three examples, or four if you include the wiping dirt on anothers clothing, do not. It's that simple.

Only for the person consuming it. I could consume a thousand Burritos and then spend the rest of my days grunting at your table. The burrito's had a positive effect on me by satisfying my need for calories, but for you, you get the stink.

How's that?

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: spidey07
soon fat food will be illegal.

not kidding.

You are way ahead of your time.

How can one disagree?

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Slvrtg277
Would anyone feel differently about a ban if the voting public decided to ban it, whether it's confined to town/county, etc?

Nope.

Would you feel better if the public voted to ban the sale of soft drinks and say fried foods because the nation is fat?

Would you fell better about it of the public voted to ban oral sex in your home?

Mob rule is not good.

I wouldn't mind having a fat tax that only fat people have to pay..like all you can eat buffets should cost according to your weight.

Why should I have to pay $8 for eating $5 of food, when Shamu pays the same ammount to gorge him/herself on plate after plate?

Why should I have to pay the same amount of fare when I'm paying for a seat when a fat person requires 2 seats? Shouldn't I have to only pay half or something?

Why should I have to pay the same amount for health care when a fat person is likely to use it 2-3 times as much as a non-fat person?

Smokers are already taxes out the wazoo, I fail to see the point.

Simple answer, that's the market. don't eat at a buffet and you won't have this problem.

Simple answer, that's the market. Yes, if a fat person requires 2 seats they should pay for it, why wouldn't they have to? Fly an airline that charges fat people for 2 seats and you won't have this problem.

Simple answer, that's the market. People who use more should pay more.

How is cost relevant though? You don't pay for me to smoke (obviously I'm a smoker), in fact, I pay you to smoke (taxes). I use more, I pay more.

 

[torpid]

A restaurant is somewhat different than merely private property. It is governed by regulations and rules as to the state of accomodations it provides. While I do think that it is a bit of an infringement, I think the reality is that any restaurant that does NOT have a smoking section is going to suffer loss of business as a result, and gain minimal business as a result. Some restaurants will be willing to do this, but the vast majority, especially chain restaurants and the like, will not. I think that there is undue pressure on restaurants to have smoking sections. A less "infringing" alternative might be to offer tax breaks for restaurants that do not allow smoking. Not really any different as far as government entanglement goes, though.