law bans smoking in ga restaurants

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Bushman5
man im sorry to say this but u americans are a bunch whiney spoilt children, id move to europe if i where u guys.

You dug up this thread for that?

And you didn't even clarify your position on the matter. So we have no idea WHY you think we're whiny.

And no thanks. For general whininess, Europe has the US beat by a mile.

 

[SandGnome]

Originally posted by: Jzero
Same as always - government overstepping its bounds. Some people will understand why this is bad, many people will not.

so mysterious :shocked:

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Bushman5
man im sorry to say this but u americans are a bunch whiney spoilt children, id move to europe if i where u guys.

No thank you.

I like to keep what I work for.
I enjoy living in a country that recognizes my right to self defense.
I like living in a country that is pretty much invincible in terms of military power.

An unlike you Europeans, I will do everything in my power to ensure that those things are never taken away like they have been in Europe.

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: WannaFly
been that way here in Florida for a while. I dont know if its all of florida or just my county.

Its all of FL, I voted against it just for the fact that its just another law of restriction that isn't needed, but I must say I do like going out now and not being in a cloud of 2nd hand smoke.

The law here is that if the amount of food sold outweighs the amount of alcohol sold then it is to be a smoke free place, but if its the reverse of that then smoking is allowed even if food is served.

 

[NiKeFiDO]

very old news up here in CT

 

[SandGnome]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

The sky is falling.

Your sig is looking deliciously ironic right now.

Why? Because I stand for something you don't believe in? I.E., a total smoking ban in dining establishments.

404 - Irony not found.

didn't you get the memo? The definition of irony has been changed. It now means anything you want it to mean. Isn't that ironic?

 

This thread is back!

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: WannaFly
been that way here in Florida for a while. I dont know if its all of florida or just my county.

IIRC it is all of florida. I'm an ex-smoker, and I am glad they don't allow smoking in restaurants.

 

[SandGnome]

Originally posted by: SampSon

You replied with a proposterous statement yourself. "You'd be assualting me" does not address the issue I presented in my example. I could use a thousand other analogies, but you decided to retort against the analogy, not what it represented.

Replace dirt with:-

- Sh!t stink machine
- Hot steam cloud
- A.N. Other obnoxious act that affects people in the surrounding area

Now counterpoint the concept, not the analogy.

Smoking provides something that can be held as a positive quality for the consumer. Your three examples, or four if you include the wiping dirt on anothers clothing, do not. It's that simple.

I'd sell the dirt. Then the consumer would enjoy a positive, non-addictive time wiping the dirt on people's clothing. That can be held as a positive quality!

 

[SandGnome]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i think its great! i live in maryland and they banned smoking in bars in my county.

i dont smoke, and i dont like the smell of smoke, and i dont like leaving places smelling like smoke, and i have asthma.

maybe if i was a little different and enjoyed smoking, liked smelling like smoke when i leave places, and didnt have asthma, then i would care.

smokers need to take that crap elsewhere. smoking is so disgusting.

Your comfort and auto-immune disorders are not the responsibility of other people. And they certainly do not warrant robbing private property owners of their rights to accommodate.

As much as resturants fight it, several studies have shown an increase in business to the resturants after the smoking ban is implemented.

Funny, the same studies done here in ny state show a dramatic decrease in business volume. Many bars/restaurants have had to close up shop because of decreased business.

That's pretty much common sense considering you are forced into alienating over half of your clientel

Well, either of the studies would be based on statistics. You can use selection to make statistics say just about anything. This is not as uncommon a tactic as you'd think. Perhaps it is not the smartest thing to quote "studies" as a source.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Slvrtg277

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Paulson
I absolutely hate the smell of smoke, it's just absolutely horrible. I live with a roommate who smokes, and even though he doesn't (or hopefully doesn't) smoke in the apartment, I still have to smell his foul smelling smoked up clothes and himself.

It sucks, and you smokers don't even realize how bad it smells because you're so used to it it doesn't even phase you.

I'm glad they pass this stuff, if smoking only affected the person smoking, then hey, I'd be all for it, but since it irritates the piss out of others, they should have to find a common place to do the smelly deed, not make non smokers scramble to find a comfortable environment.

How would you feel if the government came on your private property and forced you to allow people to smoke?

And do not assume that everyone opposed to these laws are smokers.

That is an excellent point, Amused. :beer:

no, it's not an excellent point, because he is comparing apples to oranges.
he is comparing private property, as in someone's home, to business property that is publically accessed as a means to its' livelihood. they are not the same scenerios.

 

[moshquerade]

By many predictions, the smoking ban, which went into effect on March 30, 2003, was to be the beginning of the end of the city's reputation as the capital of grit. Its famed nightlife would wither, critics warned, bar and restaurant businesses would sink, tourists would go elsewhere, and the mayor who wrought it all would pay a hefty price in the polls. And then there were those who said that city smokers, a rebellious class if ever there was one, simply would not abide.

But a review of city statistics, as well as interviews last week with dozens of bar patrons, workers and owners, found that the ban has not had the crushing effect on New York's economic, cultural and political landscapes predicted by many of its opponents.

Employment in restaurants and bars, one indicator of the city's service economy, has risen slightly since the ban went into effect, as has the number of restaurant permits requested and held, according to city records, although those increases could be attributed in part to several factors, including a general improvement in the city's economy.

NY Times 2/6/2005

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Slvrtg277

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Paulson
I absolutely hate the smell of smoke, it's just absolutely horrible. I live with a roommate who smokes, and even though he doesn't (or hopefully doesn't) smoke in the apartment, I still have to smell his foul smelling smoked up clothes and himself.

It sucks, and you smokers don't even realize how bad it smells because you're so used to it it doesn't even phase you.

I'm glad they pass this stuff, if smoking only affected the person smoking, then hey, I'd be all for it, but since it irritates the piss out of others, they should have to find a common place to do the smelly deed, not make non smokers scramble to find a comfortable environment.

How would you feel if the government came on your private property and forced you to allow people to smoke?

And do not assume that everyone opposed to these laws are smokers.

That is an excellent point, Amused. :beer:

no, it's not an excellent point, because he is comparing apples to oranges.
he is comparing private property, as in someone's home, to business property that is publically accessed as a means to its' livelihood. they are not the same scenerios.

A business is PRIVATE PROPERTY. The access of which is at the discression of the property owner. The assumed and informed risk of which is the responsibility of the guest.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Slvrtg277

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Paulson
I absolutely hate the smell of smoke, it's just absolutely horrible. I live with a roommate who smokes, and even though he doesn't (or hopefully doesn't) smoke in the apartment, I still have to smell his foul smelling smoked up clothes and himself.

It sucks, and you smokers don't even realize how bad it smells because you're so used to it it doesn't even phase you.

I'm glad they pass this stuff, if smoking only affected the person smoking, then hey, I'd be all for it, but since it irritates the piss out of others, they should have to find a common place to do the smelly deed, not make non smokers scramble to find a comfortable environment.

How would you feel if the government came on your private property and forced you to allow people to smoke?

And do not assume that everyone opposed to these laws are smokers.

That is an excellent point, Amused. :beer:

no, it's not an excellent point, because he is comparing apples to oranges.
he is comparing private property, as in someone's home, to business property that is publically accessed as a means to its' livelihood. they are not the same scenerios.

A business is PRIVATE PROPERTY. The access of which is at the discression of the property owner. The assumed and informed risk of which is the responsibility of the guest.

but.... without the patrons there is no business. you don't have to invite the public into your home.
i am not disputing that they are both privately owned. i am saying they are different in who accesses them and not comparable as such.


(pssst - discretion)

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Slvrtg277

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Paulson
I absolutely hate the smell of smoke, it's just absolutely horrible. I live with a roommate who smokes, and even though he doesn't (or hopefully doesn't) smoke in the apartment, I still have to smell his foul smelling smoked up clothes and himself.

It sucks, and you smokers don't even realize how bad it smells because you're so used to it it doesn't even phase you.

I'm glad they pass this stuff, if smoking only affected the person smoking, then hey, I'd be all for it, but since it irritates the piss out of others, they should have to find a common place to do the smelly deed, not make non smokers scramble to find a comfortable environment.

How would you feel if the government came on your private property and forced you to allow people to smoke?

And do not assume that everyone opposed to these laws are smokers.

That is an excellent point, Amused. :beer:

no, it's not an excellent point, because he is comparing apples to oranges.
he is comparing private property, as in someone's home, to business property that is publically accessed as a means to its' livelihood. they are not the same scenerios.

A business is PRIVATE PROPERTY. The access of which is at the discression of the property owner. The assumed and informed risk of which is the responsibility of the guest.

it's a private business that serves the public. even as a private business they are subject to other goverment regulations, health inspections and what not. I am glad when I go to Sam Setzers Steakhouse that I no longer have to smell some stank ass smokers cigarette smoke wofting my way. I tried to feel bad that I use to do the same thing to others when I smoked, but I just couldn't find it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Slvrtg277

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Paulson
I absolutely hate the smell of smoke, it's just absolutely horrible. I live with a roommate who smokes, and even though he doesn't (or hopefully doesn't) smoke in the apartment, I still have to smell his foul smelling smoked up clothes and himself.

It sucks, and you smokers don't even realize how bad it smells because you're so used to it it doesn't even phase you.

I'm glad they pass this stuff, if smoking only affected the person smoking, then hey, I'd be all for it, but since it irritates the piss out of others, they should have to find a common place to do the smelly deed, not make non smokers scramble to find a comfortable environment.

How would you feel if the government came on your private property and forced you to allow people to smoke?

And do not assume that everyone opposed to these laws are smokers.

That is an excellent point, Amused. :beer:

no, it's not an excellent point, because he is comparing apples to oranges.
he is comparing private property, as in someone's home, to business property that is publically accessed as a means to its' livelihood. they are not the same scenerios.

A business is PRIVATE PROPERTY. The access of which is at the discression of the property owner. The assumed and informed risk of which is the responsibility of the guest.

but.... without the patrons there is no business. you don't have to invite the public into your home.
i am not disputing that they are both privately owned. i am saying they are different in who accesses them and not comparable as such.


(pssst - discretion)

Irrelevant. Both a home and business guests are there at the discretion and invitation of the property owner. WHY is irrelevant.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Slvrtg277

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Paulson
I absolutely hate the smell of smoke, it's just absolutely horrible. I live with a roommate who smokes, and even though he doesn't (or hopefully doesn't) smoke in the apartment, I still have to smell his foul smelling smoked up clothes and himself.

It sucks, and you smokers don't even realize how bad it smells because you're so used to it it doesn't even phase you.

I'm glad they pass this stuff, if smoking only affected the person smoking, then hey, I'd be all for it, but since it irritates the piss out of others, they should have to find a common place to do the smelly deed, not make non smokers scramble to find a comfortable environment.

How would you feel if the government came on your private property and forced you to allow people to smoke?

And do not assume that everyone opposed to these laws are smokers.

That is an excellent point, Amused. :beer:

no, it's not an excellent point, because he is comparing apples to oranges.
he is comparing private property, as in someone's home, to business property that is publically accessed as a means to its' livelihood. they are not the same scenerios.

A business is PRIVATE PROPERTY. The access of which is at the discression of the property owner. The assumed and informed risk of which is the responsibility of the guest.

it's a private business that serves the public. even as a private business they are subject to other goverment regulations, health inspections and what not. I am glad when I go to Sam Setzers Steakhouse that I no longer have to smell some stank ass smokers cigarette smoke wofting my way. I tried to feel bad that I use to do the same thing to others when I smoked, but I just couldn't find it.

This argument has already been addressed in this thread. Health inspections exist because the risk to the consumer is neither informed, nor assumed.

Smoking, on the other hand is READILY apparent. If you don't like smoke, don't do business with those who allow it.

I hate smoking, too. However, I do not assume my hate is grounds on taking away the property rights of others.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Slvrtg277

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Paulson
I absolutely hate the smell of smoke, it's just absolutely horrible. I live with a roommate who smokes, and even though he doesn't (or hopefully doesn't) smoke in the apartment, I still have to smell his foul smelling smoked up clothes and himself.

It sucks, and you smokers don't even realize how bad it smells because you're so used to it it doesn't even phase you.

I'm glad they pass this stuff, if smoking only affected the person smoking, then hey, I'd be all for it, but since it irritates the piss out of others, they should have to find a common place to do the smelly deed, not make non smokers scramble to find a comfortable environment.

How would you feel if the government came on your private property and forced you to allow people to smoke?

And do not assume that everyone opposed to these laws are smokers.

That is an excellent point, Amused. :beer:

no, it's not an excellent point, because he is comparing apples to oranges.
he is comparing private property, as in someone's home, to business property that is publically accessed as a means to its' livelihood. they are not the same scenerios.

A business is PRIVATE PROPERTY. The access of which is at the discression of the property owner. The assumed and informed risk of which is the responsibility of the guest.

it's a private business that serves the public. even as a private business they are subject to other goverment regulations, health inspections and what not. I am glad when I go to Sam Setzers Steakhouse that I no longer have to smell some stank ass smokers cigarette smoke wofting my way. I tried to feel bad that I use to do the same thing to others when I smoked, but I just couldn't find it.

This argument has already been addressed in this thread. Health inspections exist because the risk to the consumer is neither informed, nor assumed.

Smoking, on the other hand is READILY apparent. If you don't like smoke, don't do business with those who allow it.

I hate smoking, too. However, I do not assume my hate is grounds on taking away the property rights of others.

well, there is no way in hell im gonna read 14 pages. as to those smokers who come to florida and can't smoke in a restaurant. GET OVER IT. 1hr without a cig won't kill ya

 

[moshquerade]

really... i am not going to read this whole thread either, but as the article i've linked says: the smoking ban DID NOT harm businesses in NY State. for every disgruntled smoker that stayed away there was probably a non-smoker who ventured out to that bar/restaurant because the place was now smoke-free.

and as for the business owner's "rights", i guess they might be the same ones complaining that the gov't is forcing us to wear seatbelts.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: Slick5150
This has been done in many other states already. This isn't something new or groundbreaking.

yup, Texas is close to it, most buildings are non-smoking, restaurants must have a divided seating arrangement that meets certain criteria (I don't know exactly what the specs are) Oklahoma is pretty much the same.