law bans smoking in ga restaurants

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: SampSon

You replied with a proposterous statement yourself. "You'd be assualting me" does not address the issue I presented in my example. I could use a thousand other analogies, but you decided to retort against the analogy, not what it represented.

Replace dirt with:-

- Sh!t stink machine
- Hot steam cloud
- A.N. Other obnoxious act that affects people in the surrounding area

Now counterpoint the concept, not the analogy.

Smoking provides something that can be held as a positive quality for the consumer. Your three examples, or four if you include the wiping dirt on anothers clothing, do not. It's that simple.

rubbing dirt on another person could be heald as a positive quality for the person doing it because it will "make them feel good" to make the smokers stink due to a personal action, just as the smokers are making the non-smokers stink due to a personal action.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
You replied with a proposterous statement yourself. "You'd be assualting me" does not address the issue I presented in my example. I could use a thousand other analogies, but you decided to retort against the analogy, not what it represented.

Replace dirt with:-

- Sh!t stink machine
- Hot steam cloud
- A.N. Other obnoxious act that affects people in the surrounding area

Now counterpoint the concept, not the analogy.

I constantly have to deal with other people's reeky-ass cologne and perfume, sometimes it's so bad it makes me cough, sneeze, makes my eyes water, and occasionally gives me a headache. Let's go ahead and ban cologne/perfume wearers from restaurants and bars as well.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
You replied with a proposterous statement yourself. "You'd be assualting me" does not address the issue I presented in my example. I could use a thousand other analogies, but you decided to retort against the analogy, not what it represented.

Replace dirt with:-

- Sh!t stink machine
- Hot steam cloud
- A.N. Other obnoxious act that affects people in the surrounding area

Now counterpoint the concept, not the analogy.

I constantly have to deal with other people's reeky-ass cologne and perfume, sometimes it's so bad it makes me cough, sneeze, makes my eyes water, and occasionally gives me a headache. Let's go ahead and ban cologne/perfume wearers from restaurants and bars as well.

Ergo you understand the anoyance created by the smoker!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Hellspawn

Originally posted by: armatron
http://fsnews.findlaw.com/articles/ap/o/632/05-09-2005/c8c5000aa5c5724b.html

I do not smoke. I find it absolutely DISGUSTING. Even someone smoking in a car in front of my car is annoying and irritating.


However, the fact that the gov't steps in to tell private business owners whether or not they can allow smoking on their property is wrong. While this law benefits me, I still think it's wrong.

It's happening in more and more states, get used to it. I think it is GREAT. I can't wait until my state (Illinois) does the same exact thing.

What would your reaction be if the state forced you, and other private property owners to allow smoking on your property?

that is such a wrong statement. my property isn't for anyone in the public to come into and sit down while i serve them food. a restaraunt is. i see what you are trying to get at, but thats a bad attempt

Private property is private property. And my point applies to businesses as well. How would you feel if they said your private business MUST allow smoking?

but do you not see the point that smoking is unhealthy, where as not smoking won't affect your health? so making one place ALLOW smoking is different than allowing a place to NOT smoke, as far as the affects on people. the affects of ALLOWING smoking are negative, healthwise, whereas the affects of NOT SMOKING are positive, healthwise.

Irrelevant. Smoking is a legal activity. The issue here is private property rights. And you are vainly trying to sidestep my very valid point. How would you feel if the tables were reversed?

Obviously, you'd oppose such a law.

The question is, why?

The answer is obvious. Because it doesn't suit you. It's now YOUR bull getting gored and you're upset about it.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

I constantly have to deal with other people's reeky-ass cologne and perfume, sometimes it's so bad it makes me cough, sneeze, makes my eyes water, and occasionally gives me a headache. Let's go ahead and ban cologne/perfume wearers from restaurants and bars as well.

Ergo you understand the anoyance created by the smoker!

Except I'm not seriously calling for a ban. Hell, at least you can tell when someone's smoking. I can't tell when someone's wearing cologne/perfume that affects me negatively until it's too late. And I'd be more than satisfied for them to just sit in their own section.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Can I ask what private property rights ALONG with the act of smoking have been lost in states or cities that have introduced bans?

 

Only the person consuming it. I could consume a thousand Burritos and then spend the rest of my days grunting at your table. The burrito's had a positive effect on me by satifying my need for calories, but for you, you get the stink.

How's that?

Sure, but then you're consuming the burritos for your personal enjoyment, the gas is a side effect of that legit consumption of the product.
Making a stink machine, or wiping dirt on someones clothes isn't a consumable product, nor does it have any purpose but to annoy and disturb the peace of another person.
I don't like the smell of your cologne, you wearing it around me isn't illegal. Same thing goes for smoking.

rubbing dirt on another person could be heald as a positive quality for the person doing it because it will "make them feel good" to make the smokers stink due to a personal action, just as the smokers are making the non-smokers stink due to a personal action.

Rubbing dirt on someone is not a legal product made for consumption. It provides no positive qualities to the "consumer" except to disturb the peace of another citizen.

Comon boys, I know you're just playing into this whole argument, but you really suck at it.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

I constantly have to deal with other people's reeky-ass cologne and perfume, sometimes it's so bad it makes me cough, sneeze, makes my eyes water, and occasionally gives me a headache. Let's go ahead and ban cologne/perfume wearers from restaurants and bars as well.

Ergo you understand the anoyance created by the smoker!

Except I'm not seriously calling for a ban. Hell, at least you can tell when someone's smoking. I can't tell when someone's wearing cologne/perfume that affects me negatively until it's too late. And I'd be more than satisfied for them to just sit in their own section.

Seriously, cologne is not that big a deal.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Can I ask what private property rights ALONG with the act of smoking have been lost in states or cities that have introduced bans?

From what I've told, it's illegal to smoke a cigarette in your car in Boulder, Colorado.
That's a law against performing a legal activity in your own private property.

 

[BeauJangles]

Amused, I understand what you're trying to say, but I think that part of the issue is simply that smoking in an enclosed space is unhealthy for those who do not want to smoke. I THINK that's where the justification for this law comes from. That being said, I think that restaurants should be allowed to bar smokers if they choose, or having smoking/nonsmoking sections like they used to.

 

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

I constantly have to deal with other people's reeky-ass cologne and perfume, sometimes it's so bad it makes me cough, sneeze, makes my eyes water, and occasionally gives me a headache. Let's go ahead and ban cologne/perfume wearers from restaurants and bars as well.

Ergo you understand the anoyance created by the smoker!

Except I'm not seriously calling for a ban. Hell, at least you can tell when someone's smoking. I can't tell when someone's wearing cologne/perfume that affects me negatively until it's too late. And I'd be more than satisfied for them to just sit in their own section.

Seriously, cologne is not that big a deal.

If you're allergic to it, it is. BAN IT!!!!

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

I constantly have to deal with other people's reeky-ass cologne and perfume, sometimes it's so bad it makes me cough, sneeze, makes my eyes water, and occasionally gives me a headache. Let's go ahead and ban cologne/perfume wearers from restaurants and bars as well.

Ergo you understand the anoyance created by the smoker!

Except I'm not seriously calling for a ban. Hell, at least you can tell when someone's smoking. I can't tell when someone's wearing cologne/perfume that affects me negatively until it's too late. And I'd be more than satisfied for them to just sit in their own section.

Seriously, cologne is not that big a deal.

If you're allergic to it, it is. BAN IT!!!!

I'm allergic to you. BAN!!

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Can I ask what private property rights ALONG with the act of smoking have been lost in states or cities that have introduced bans?

From what I've told, it's illegal to smoke a cigarette in your car in Boulder, Colorado.
That's a law against performing a legal activity in your own private property.

Seriously? Link me.

 

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

I constantly have to deal with other people's reeky-ass cologne and perfume, sometimes it's so bad it makes me cough, sneeze, makes my eyes water, and occasionally gives me a headache. Let's go ahead and ban cologne/perfume wearers from restaurants and bars as well.

Ergo you understand the anoyance created by the smoker!

Except I'm not seriously calling for a ban. Hell, at least you can tell when someone's smoking. I can't tell when someone's wearing cologne/perfume that affects me negatively until it's too late. And I'd be more than satisfied for them to just sit in their own section.

Seriously, cologne is not that big a deal.

If you're allergic to it, it is. BAN IT!!!!

I'm allergic to you. BAN!!

Your life is a downward spiral, End it now!

 

[DivideBYZero]

OK, it's 6pm in the UK, time to go home. I'll check this later to see if the sky is still at the correct altitude.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

I constantly have to deal with other people's reeky-ass cologne and perfume, sometimes it's so bad it makes me cough, sneeze, makes my eyes water, and occasionally gives me a headache. Let's go ahead and ban cologne/perfume wearers from restaurants and bars as well.

Ergo you understand the anoyance created by the smoker!

Except I'm not seriously calling for a ban. Hell, at least you can tell when someone's smoking. I can't tell when someone's wearing cologne/perfume that affects me negatively until it's too late. And I'd be more than satisfied for them to just sit in their own section.

Seriously, cologne is not that big a deal.

If you're allergic to it, it is. BAN IT!!!!

I'm allergic to you. BAN!!

Your life is a downward spiral, End it now!

Stop infringing my rights or I'll rub dirt on you.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Amused, I understand what you're trying to say, but I think that part of the issue is simply that smoking in an enclosed space is unhealthy for those who do not want to smoke. I THINK that's where the justification for this law comes from.

Except that justification is nonsense. I have NEVER smoked. I hate it when people smoke when/where I'm eating. What have I done all these years? I went somewhere else!

What changed?

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
You replied with a proposterous statement yourself. "You'd be assualting me" does not address the issue I presented in my example. I could use a thousand other analogies, but you decided to retort against the analogy, not what it represented.

Replace dirt with:-

- Sh!t stink machine
- Hot steam cloud
- A.N. Other obnoxious act that affects people in the surrounding area

Now counterpoint the concept, not the analogy.

You're concept is absolutely horseshit. The issue at hand is mutual consent. By entering an establishment that allows smoking you give your consent to be surrounded by smoke.

Similarly, with my consent, you can smear dirt all over my clothing. Without my consent, that would be assault, which is obviously against the law. What if they passed a law that prevented you from smearing dirt on my clothing, even though it would be done within my own private property and we were both consenting adults?

Restaurant owners need to be licensed due to sanitary issues and health violations. If an owner runs a dirty, unclean restaurant, the government can shut it down in the interest of public safety. The difference is, the public doesn't realize they are at risk when patroning that establishment. There is no mutual consent.

 

[StageLeft]

haha smokers stupid

 

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

I constantly have to deal with other people's reeky-ass cologne and perfume, sometimes it's so bad it makes me cough, sneeze, makes my eyes water, and occasionally gives me a headache. Let's go ahead and ban cologne/perfume wearers from restaurants and bars as well.

Ergo you understand the anoyance created by the smoker!

Except I'm not seriously calling for a ban. Hell, at least you can tell when someone's smoking. I can't tell when someone's wearing cologne/perfume that affects me negatively until it's too late. And I'd be more than satisfied for them to just sit in their own section.

Seriously, cologne is not that big a deal.

If you're allergic to it, it is. BAN IT!!!!

I'm allergic to you. BAN!!

Your life is a downward spiral, End it now!

Stop infringing my rights or I'll rub dirt on you.

Your bad breathe and awful teeth offend me. I'll kick you out of america... wait, we already did.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Comon boys, I know you're just playing into this whole argument, but you really suck at it.

Yep. If they're arguing just to instigate a flamefest, they at least need to get better at it. Their arguments suck.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
You replied with a proposterous statement yourself. "You'd be assualting me" does not address the issue I presented in my example. I could use a thousand other analogies, but you decided to retort against the analogy, not what it represented.

Replace dirt with:-

- Sh!t stink machine
- Hot steam cloud
- A.N. Other obnoxious act that affects people in the surrounding area

Now counterpoint the concept, not the analogy.

You're concept is absolutely horseshit. The issue at hand is mutual consent. By entering an establishment that allows smoking you give your consent to be surrounded by smoke.

Similarly, with my consent, you can smear dirt all over my clothing. Without my consent, that would be assault, which is obviously against the law. What if they passed a law that prevented you from smearing dirt on my clothing, even though it would be done within my own private property and we were both consenting adults?

Restaurant owners need to be licensed due to sanitary issues and health violations. If an owner runs a dirty, unclean restaurant, the government can shut it down in the interest of public safety. The difference is, the public doesn't realize they are at risk when patroning that establishment. There is no mutual consent.

See my later post where I revise my analogy for people who SEE ONLY TEH ANALOGY and not what it represents.

That and you're talking bollocks.

 

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: SampSon
Comon boys, I know you're just playing into this whole argument, but you really suck at it.

Yep. If they're arguing just to instigate a flamefest, they at least need to get better at it. Their arguments suck.

It's ok, I like to entertain children sometimes. I'm feeling generous today.

See my later post where I revise my analogy for people who SEE ONLY TEH ANALOGY and not what it represents.

That and you're talking bollocks.

You have no idea what you're talking about. So you're going to revise your analogy because you know it's poorly chosen, false, and unrelated.
Your post says "I'm wrong, I understand it, and I'm going to review my wrongness in an attempt to make it "right"". Round of applause to you.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

I constantly have to deal with other people's reeky-ass cologne and perfume, sometimes it's so bad it makes me cough, sneeze, makes my eyes water, and occasionally gives me a headache. Let's go ahead and ban cologne/perfume wearers from restaurants and bars as well.

Ergo you understand the anoyance created by the smoker!

Except I'm not seriously calling for a ban. Hell, at least you can tell when someone's smoking. I can't tell when someone's wearing cologne/perfume that affects me negatively until it's too late. And I'd be more than satisfied for them to just sit in their own section.

Seriously, cologne is not that big a deal.

If you're allergic to it, it is. BAN IT!!!!

I'm allergic to you. BAN!!

Your life is a downward spiral, End it now!

Stop infringing my rights or I'll rub dirt on you.

Your bad breathe and awful teeth offend me. I'll kick you out of america... wait, we already did.

We left because you got fat, smoked and infringed our rights.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero


We left because you got fat, smoked and infringed our rights.

Your right to what? Force others to accommodate you?

At any rate, talking about infringed rights while living in the UK is a hoot. At least I can protect myself, my family and property without fear of prosecution. Oh, and my government doesn't fear me being armed.