Kristin Cavallari labeled as "communist" for not vaccinating kids (video)

[Incorruptible]

Are you new to P&N? Crazy doesn't by any means relegate itself to a single month. Between McOwned, Incorruptible, Texashiker, Boomerang, Stewox, Anarchist ... there's quite a few more, those are just the first ones that come to mind that represent crazy quite firmly.

Love the stupidity from you and your ilk. Because I dare defend freedom you call me crazy, Not surprised at all since you don't support the Constitution.

 

[zinfamous]

Love the stupidity from you and your ilk. Because I dare defend freedom you call me crazy, Not surprised at all since you don't support the Constitution.

you do neither of these things.

doesn't matter anyway, because you're Canadian.

 

[Stewox]

Well let's continue playing this game, even tho the game is technically over, because, well, isn't in the context of chess already check-mate.


when you guys mention "medication" you most certainly mean anti-depressants, well let's the the most popular anti-depressants that america is bathing in and pretty much every autistic child is perscribed to take it.

It's called Prozac, among other names, and the chemical name is Fluoxetine, oh look it also contains the lovely brain-dumbing fluoride.

Even reported in the mainstream news like 5 years ago or more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-7aNPf33A

Old news articles
http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/0603/27.php

Oh, and just for your benefit

John Adam went to Harvard
Samuel Adams went to Harvard
Thomas Jefferson - College of William & Mary
John Hancock - Harvard
Alexander Hamilton - King's College (now Columbia University)
James Madison - College of New Jersey (now Princeton University)

So someone who "looks up to the founders" yet calls college "royal indoctrination camp" is living one hell of a conundrum.

No one should ever be proud of a lack of education and understanding of things. They say ignorance is bliss, but for the rest of us the ignorance of people like you is anything but bliss as we deal with the consequences of it.

Schools were not dumbed down that much as they are now, ofcourse they set them up for the future, I won't get deeper right now becuase I don't have enoguh time coming back to explain in detail.

Here's an example of an 8 grader test for elementary school in 1912

 

[Iron Woode]

Well let's continue playing this game, even tho the game is technically over, because, well, isn't in the context of chess already check-mate.


when you guys mention "medication" you most certainly mean anti-depressants, well let's the the most popular anti-depressants that america is bathing in and pretty much every autistic child is perscribed to take it.

It's called Prozac, among other names, and the chemical name if Fluoxetine, oh look it also contains the lovely brain-dumbing fluoride.

Even reported in the mainstream news like 5 years ago or more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-7aNPf33A

Old news articles
http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/0603/27.php







Schools were not dumbed down that much as they are now, ofcourse they set them up for the future, I won't get deeper right now becuase I don't have enoguh time coming back to explain in detail.

Here's an example of an 8 grader test for elementary school in 1912

um, yeah.

maybe you should quit while your ahead (or behind).

 

[Paratus]

I think Boomerang's partisanship goes into crazy. There are certainly other partisans in here I don't qualify as crazy. I didn't forget nehalem, it just seems like he hasn't been posting much lately so I omitted him.

He hadn't logged in since Feb. So he's either banned or in jail.

 

[Paratus]

Well let's continue playing this game, even tho the game is technically over, because, well, isn't in the context of chess already check-mate.


when you guys mention "medication" you most certainly mean anti-depressants, well let's the the most popular anti-depressants that america is bathing in and pretty much every autistic child is perscribed to take it.

It's called Prozac, among other names, and the chemical name if Fluoxetine, oh look it also contains the lovely brain-dumbing fluoride.

Even reported in the mainstream news like 5 years ago or more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-7aNPf33A

Old news articles
http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/0603/27.php







Schools were not dumbed down that much as they are now, ofcourse they set them up for the future, I won't get deeper right now becuase I don't have enoguh time coming back to explain in detail.

Here's an example of an 8 grader test for elementary school in 1912

Your view on the Moon landings?
Real or fake?
Just curious.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

troll troll troll your boat....

Look another one......it must be crazy month in P&N.

person is insane.

See what I mean? Go read the rest of my posts and look at what is said because I point out exactly what happened here. I never even denied vaccines but the hive was motivated to strike at anything it perceived as dissent. The hypocrisy of "science" is astounding these days, the Dark Ages Vatican would be proud of you guys.

 

[Sulaco]

See what I mean? Go read the rest of my posts and look at what is said because I point out exactly what happened here. I never even denied vaccines but the hive was motivated to strike at anything it perceived as dissent. The hypocrisy of "science" is astounding these days, the Dark Ages Vatican would be proud of you guys.

Yeah, it's like if you post meaningless drivel and baseless nonsense the majority of people will mock you or dismiss you outright based on your ignorance.

No, but really. Continue playing the victim. The only thing more entertaining than a loon is a whiny crybaby loon.

 

[WelshBloke]

But in the end of it all, your opinion doesn't really matter, the reality won't change, and I believe I am closer to the reality with what I have researched, and you are free to disagree, ofcourse all to your loss or benefit.

Ofcourse the Elite Royal Snotnose Blood Drinking Satanic Inbreeding Breakway Species Insane Eugenic Transhumanists created an elaborate posing-as-morally-high for "all-things-good", Electoral College System with a capital E and C to make it look more official and high-class than the rest of us pesants, in order to protect their elitist machine-merging metropolis from the dirty freedom-fighting domestic extremists also called "Free Americans Against Socialist Tyranny", how dare these serfs insult our royal highness global government elysium.

Well someones obviously still pissed that they didnt get the grades for college.

 

[Stewox]

Well someones obviously still pissed that they didnt get the grades for college.

Grades don't mean anything ... unless you're in a highly technical school, like eingineering, etc

 

[Iron Woode]

Grades don't mean anything ... unless you're in a highly technical school, like eingineering, etc

you are absolute proof grades mean nothing.

 

[Stewox]

you are absolute proof grades mean nothing.

I've came across a perfect quote for all the other guys who have reacted shockingly to my posts

Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth. - Mahatma Gandhi

 

[thraashman]

I've came across a perfect quote for all the other guys who have reacted shockingly to my posts

The problem is that the truth is not what you are espousing. You make claims that are refuted by the evidence, not supported.

More appropriate for you would be a quote saying "No matter how sure you are of something, when you're wrong you're still wrong."

 

[surfsatwerk]

I've came across a perfect quote for all the other guys who have reacted shockingly to my posts

Dude, you literally can not handle the truth.

 

[Vic]

I've came across a perfect quote for all the other guys who have reacted shockingly to my posts

I have one for you too.

"You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity." - Robert A. Heinlein

 

[zinfamous]

See what I mean? Go read the rest of my posts and look at what is said because I point out exactly what happened here. I never even denied vaccines but the hive was motivated to strike at anything it perceived as dissent. The hypocrisy of "science" is astounding these days, the Dark Ages Vatican would be proud of you guys.

nothing wrong with challenging data--that's the point of science. But to challenge it simply on the grounds of "everyone thinks that way, therefore it must be wrong" is pure nuttery.

The proper way to challenge the current standard is to offer valid data that contradicts the established theory. Simply going against the establishment "because," or offering long de-bunked crackpot theories or inventing new ones as evidence is not the way to do it.

The only hive-mind is the type of nuttery subscribed to by folks like stewox, who simply believe trash information because they want to, not because they have any understanding of valid scientific confirmation. It's confirmation bias--one want to believe in conspiracy, therefore anything that confirms this, in one's mind, must therefore be true. Such fields prey on the weakest of minds.

science isn't about establishing belief, it's about evidence-based theory.

 

[werepossum]

nothing wrong with challenging data--that's the point of science. But to challenge it simply on the grounds of "everyone thinks that way, therefore it must be wrong" is pure nuttery.

The proper way to challenge the current standard is to offer valid data that contradicts the established theory. Simply going against the establishment "because," or offering long de-bunked crackpot theories or inventing new ones as evidence is not the way to do it.

The only hive-mind is the type of nuttery subscribed to by folks like stewox, who simply believe trash information because they want to, not because they have any understanding of valid scientific confirmation. It's confirmation bias--one want to believe in conspiracy, therefore anything that confirms this, in one's mind, must therefore be true. Such fields prey on the weakest of minds.

science isn't about establishing belief, it's about evidence-based theory.

I was thinking about this on the way in this morning. We all accept that it's proven that vaccines don't cause autism. How are those studies done? Where is the control group which is not vaccinated but is otherwise similar enough to say with confidence that its rates of autism are the same as the vaccinated general public? Seems to me that all groups which are not vaccinated are too dissimilar in lifestyle and pathogen background as to be unusable as a control group. If the autism rate is simply higher because of better diagnosis and/or looser definitions, there's no problem, but I've heard some say that autism rates are considerably higher when measured by the same definitions. If true, how do they know vaccines do not cause autism? Two basic ways to measure this, before and after autism rates and a control group. Seems to me that any vaccinated group is likely to be either dirt poor third world immigrants or nutters, both of whom seem to me to be considerably different from mainstream Western civilization.

I'm fine with vaccination either way as I believe the benefits clearly outweigh the bad even if the entire increase in autism were attributable to vaccination, I'm just curious about the science methodology.

 

[surfsatwerk]

http://www.scienceworldreport.com/a...-brain-abnormalities-spotted-before-birth.htm

I'm sure this is all a clever ruse.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I was thinking about this on the way in this morning. We all accept that it's proven that vaccines don't cause autism. How are those studies done? Where is the control group which is not vaccinated but is otherwise similar enough to say with confidence that its rates of autism are the same as the vaccinated general public? Seems to me that all groups which are not vaccinated are too dissimilar in lifestyle and pathogen background as to be unusable as a control group. If the autism rate is simply higher because of better diagnosis and/or looser definitions, there's no problem, but I've heard some say that autism rates are considerably higher when measured by the same definitions. If true, how do they know vaccines do not cause autism? Two basic ways to measure this, before and after autism rates and a control group. Seems to me that any vaccinated group is likely to be either dirt poor third world immigrants or nutters, both of whom seem to me to be considerably different from mainstream Western civilization.

I'm fine with vaccination either way as I believe the benefits clearly outweigh the bad even if the entire increase in autism were attributable to vaccination, I'm just curious about the science methodology.

From a scientific hypothesis standpoint, you don't get to posit a hypothesis (vaccines cause autism) and then accept it as fact and challenge opponents to prove you wrong without some evidence supporting your original hypothesis. The studies that have been done have suggested no link, so we have to accept the null hypothesis. The CDC links to a report from the Institute of Medicine for results of a study on a causal link between vaccines and autism; you can read more there for a description of their methodology.

 

[werepossum]

From a scientific hypothesis standpoint, you don't get to posit a hypothesis (vaccines cause autism) and then accept it as fact and challenge opponents to prove you wrong without some evidence supporting your original hypothesis. The studies that have been done have suggested no link, so we have to accept the null hypothesis. The CDC links to a report from the Institute of Medicine for results of a study on a causal link between vaccines and autism; you can read more there for a description of their methodology.

Thanks, but that's not a study. It's a committee report from reviewing studies. I have zero faith in meta studies and this is far less rigorous than a meta study.

 

[sm625]

Hey, I'm all for your right not to get vaccinated, but you should be forced to go live on "Disease Island (TM)"

You should be forced to go live on stupid island. If a person is vaccinated against a certain disease, then what frickin difference does it make whether or not someone else is vaccinated? None. If it mattered, then there would be no point to taking a vaccine. So basically you are saying people should be forced to live in quarantine for not taking a vaccine that you then argue serves no frickin purpose. The day people as dumb as you push past the limit of what reasonable people will tolerate, is the day we find out who is forced to do what. I will stand my ground against your mindless ilk.

 

[werepossum]

http://www.scienceworldreport.com/a...-brain-abnormalities-spotted-before-birth.htm

I'm sure this is all a clever ruse.

Did you actually read that? I don't think even the foamiest anti-vaccine nutter denies that at least some cases of autism can have other causes. That does make me wonder though if the increase is possibly caused by a modern chemical or gene transfer from a common virus or bacterium. (Obviously that would assume that all cases of autism, or at least those making up the increase, are genetic in origin, so that a mutagenic toxin or gene transfer would be the cause.)

 

[werepossum]

You should be forced to go live on stupid island. If a person is vaccinated against a certain disease, then what frickin difference does it make whether or not someone else is vaccinated? None. If it mattered, then there would be no point to taking a vaccine. So basically you are saying people should be forced to live in quarantine for not taking a vaccine that you then argue serves no frickin purpose. The day people as dumb as you push past the limit of what reasonable people will tolerate, is the day we find out who is forced to do what. I will stand my ground against your mindless ilk.

It matters because some people cannot be vaccinated. All vaccines have minimum age requirements (although some are in weeks) and some people have compromised immune systems. The number and density of suitable hosts largely determines the velocity at which a disease travels through a population. One could be vaccinated against everything possible and still have a child die of something against which he or she was too young to be vaccinated. Polio vaccine for example is not recommended before two months of age and complete immunity typically happens around ages four to six. In a highly vaccinated nation like the United States this should in theory be no problem as there are few available vectors, but in nations where many people are not vaccinated there are many available vectors with whom the child could come into contact before immunity. This is particularly important for diseases like polio where infection is often life altering but where most infected people remain asymptomatic, but virtually every transmissible disease has an asymptomatic but contagious stage.

Same with people who have compromised immune systems; they can be infected by people who could be vaccinated, but who are not due to beliefs or circumstances.

 

[Vic]

The increase in autism cases has been caused mostly by a broadening of the diagnosis.
Other factors also include less parental interaction with their children (straight to daycare at 6 weeks because both parents are working), and increased educational and financial benefits from having a special needs child.

As for the vaccine angle, I suspect that is because of the thousands of claims pending before the vaccine court.

All of the above is just my cynical opinion, of course.

 

[Stewox]

http://www.scienceworldreport.com/a...-brain-abnormalities-spotted-before-birth.htm

I'm sure this is all a clever ruse.

I haven't specifically researched that, but it's not surprising if that's true.

Women that get vaccinated before birth would be the easiest thing to say, but what I'm trying to say is that it's mostly the nutritional deficiencies that cause problems with children and while as I said I haven't researched for Autism specifically, it's still nothing new that if the woman has iodine deficiency with a lot of bromide and fluoride the born children will have noumerous problems, can't even list them all because iodine is so important for many things.

I don't think even the foamiest anti-vaccine nutter denies that at least some cases of autism can have other causes.

I never said vaccines are the only cause, but that's probably partly also because Autism is being mislabeled and misdiagnosed on a continual basis getting to ridicolous levels in recent years, all kinds of mental puberty issues, similar mental patterns, all thrown into the same bin.

In the end, the root cause is nutritional deficiency and heavy-metal poisoning, there was also a link in diet, I do not know in detil as I just heard one news report about it, and basically the kid fixed his autism with a different diet, i could find that news report.

I actually went on some chatrooms about autism and I met a guy who says he's "normal" and he's been taking all kinds of drugs for like 16 years since the age of 9, and still didn't fix his "autism" and doesn't believe the drugs are worthless.

He seemed well spoken, so I can tell you he definitely did not had a real autism which is a condition you behave like a zombie let alone make coherent sentances and type as fast as I can.


And look, an article from today, just hours ago http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/27/anti-anxiety-drugs-tied-to-higher-mortality/