Kristin Cavallari labeled as "communist" for not vaccinating kids (video)

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Iron Woode

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If a picture tells a 1000 words, I bet this does a bit more.

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easily debunked FUD from anti-vaccine nutters:

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/people/joseph-moshe/

LOL you got the name wrong.

you nutters can't even do simple research like getting the name correct.
 

Iron Woode

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LOL

He's dumber than I thought. And that's saying something.

The Bayer one is wrong. It wasn't a vaccine. It was medication to help blood clot for hemophiliacs. And it was prior to 1984.

He didn't even bother to read the article. He just cut and pasted more jibberish from NaturalNews without thinking.

Of course that's how he lives his life: without thinking for himself.
 

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FFS, really? Please tell me that you aren't this stupid. The great thing about science is that it is true even if you don't believe it.

Disputing "Fact" 1a:
FACT: There are many, many, substances with no biological function in the human body.
FACT: Aluminium isn't a heavy metal.
FACT: Aluminium is so non-toxic you could probably straight up eat a pound of it and still survive.
FACT: Aluminium isn't used for cloud seeding, silver iodide is. Silver iodide is a completely different chemical typically created by the precipitation of sodium iodide (the stuff that's probably in your iodized salt) and silver nitrate.
FACT: Aluminium can't be used in weather modification because its crystalline structure isn't very similar to ice. This is necessary for the process of nucleation to start.
FACT: In any case, aluminium salts (not pure aluminium) are used as adjuvants. This is the same stuff that is used in your antiperspirant. Adjuvants simply act to help build an immune response. This is good, it means you can use less antigen for an equally effective dose.
FACT: Aluminium fluoride is basically non-toxic too. Since we are assuming that these compounds are forming in an aqueous solution in your stomach, the fluorine would kill you long before the aluminium fluoride. The formula is AlF3, so the mass of fluorine is greater than the mass of aluminium.
FACT: Hexafluorosilicic acid, the stuff they use as a cavity prevention additive, is only mildly toxic. That is, you can consume several grams of it and you'd still be safe. The ratios they add are so low that you'd die of water toxicity before you died of fluorine poising.
FACT: Water is the least toxic chemical compound you can consume.
FACT: Rats aren't humans. You need to calculate the LD50 per kg and then multiply it by your weight. What kills a rat wouldn't do anything to you. Even still, it can be grossly inaccurate simply because we are different species.

Disputing "Fact" 1b:
FACT: A carcinogen, by definition, can only cause cancer by repeated doses over a long period of time. Unless you get several toxoid vaccines every day, for several years, in the same place, this isn't something you should be remotely concerned about.
FACT: Formaldehyde is used in very small amounts as a biocide. This is obviously necessary to render the bacteria inactive. If you were given live bacteria, then you would get the disease, durr...

Disputing "Fact" 1c:
FACT: The toxicity of organomercury compounds are precisely what allows them to act as a thiomersal. In any case this has been beaten to death, so I'm not going to explain to you how vaccines with merthiolate are actually safer.
FACT: A thiomersal is not 90% mercury. Seriously dude, you even listed the formula in your OP. It is a simple stoichiometric calculation.
 

werepossum

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was this from over 4 years ago?
Hey, a linear interpretation of time is just what they want you to believe . . .

As someone remotely qualified to discuss this issue, you should know there is one study that found an association between autism and vaccination in humans. That study has since been retracted from its journal after the author willingly admitted that he falsified data to reach the positive outcome. Every other study had shown no association between the two in people. Animal studies don't count for jack squat. There are a million reasons why which I don't want to get into but just know this: every cancer in the world has been cured in mice already; people are more complex than mice when it comes to disease.

The reason why autism rates are rising is more recognition by doctors. We screen for it now. In the 30s if you were autistic you didn't get picked up by a physician and instead were sent to a farm someplace by your parents.
Definition is a lot more lax as well.
 

Iron Woode

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Think like me or I will shame you back under my control.
see, that's your problem. You don't know how to think.

vaccinations saves lives. vaccines don't cause autism.

that is scientifically proven fact.

ignoring facts and science because you want to believe random BS from a bunch nutters doesn't make you an open-minded person. It makes you an idiot.
 

desy

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Exactly
I always try to listen to both sides of an argument until the facts have shown otherwise and have stood the test of time. Then if you referring back to erroneous data even after being presented known good data makes you look like an idiot
 

Cerpin Taxt

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I might, but now it's late, maybe tomorrow.

But you know, I don't have an issue with playing if I have time, but that's really more of an act if it is anything because it's totally not important and will forget it in a minute, you don't really do anything if you laugh at my posts thinking I'm this guy here being all crazy in a basement trying to win some arguments on the net, because I wouldn't be doing this if I haven't had a serious goal that you apparently don't know about, but I guess I can do something in the meantime while I have this pocket of time here, and this happens occasionally, I put it out there, who takes it will appreciate it who doesn't it's their loss, I don't force it, but maybe you lost your lucky chance. Anyway this whole further discussion doesn't really matter, even tho it's true Thimerosal was removed in 2000, it's just these pockets of one truthful information and a handful of false ones. Thimerosal got replaced by many other more dangerous viruses and especially psychotropic drugs as they lovingly call them "anti-depressants" which doesn't actually do anything anti with depression. Ofcourse I haven't covered all the stuff in the OP as I wasn't even intending to, but that doesn't mean I don't know it, as one of the posters replied back how just because Thimerosal was removed in 2000 that makes my OP invalid and so magically all the other vaccines become safe. And because I know most of the information ahead of posting a thread, so I'm sure what to expect, because if I didn't, I wouldn't post it at all. Even thought I usually don't plan to respond to all of those at once and in a fashion that serves their expectations, because of the reality that I also do not know all of the details sometimes, but ofcourse enough for the general point to be made, that "enough" has quite high standards in my use, but in details, the world is 1000 times bigger, nobody can know all that in a moment's notice unless being recalled about in some fashion.
Ofcourse my goal is to help and not to feed amusement so I'll explain it once for the rest of the guys, but I hope you understand that I am fully aware what I am doing and just don't pick on my posts trying to get some angry response because it's not going to happen.
But actually it gets a bit more interesting with the "explanation" thing, it really comes down to effectivness, and I can gather quickly which persons will it work or not and also which ones are open and non-emotional enough to


It's not just the information I posted into the OP, and what the replies are, it's all about analysis of the thread, so far the response has been negative in majority, which on the surface shows I shouldn't waste time trying to post more, while that's techinically true, I always push a bit further and try a bit harder if I have the time, that's the "playing" i mentioned, and throughout the years of experience I can pretty much detect in moments notice what person on the web is a total brainwashed government-loving slave that's just not going to listen to truth no matter what, well, many are reversible, but the level of brainwash and social conditioning varies greately, so only a very low percentage would only need the OP to go and learn more about it and potentially safe their life in future, some percentage would need further persuasion and debate, but the majority are just participants which would need case-by-case work and over a period of many months, the volumes of information are huge to process and without that knowledge the output behavior is understandable.

This is immediately what I thought of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRxjJZFGgNM&t=0m55s
 

Stewox

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As someone remotely qualified to discuss this issue,

What is the meaning and context of that term, in your view.


... the author willingly admitted that he falsified data to reach the positive outcome.

After he was threatened by the mafia corporations, hmm ?


The reason why autism rates are rising is more recognition by doctors.

Or doctors mislabeling puberty hyperactivity as autism to sell more brain-eating psychotropic drugs ?

According to the medical system, I also did had autism. But I ofcourse purposelly never went for any treatment and fixed my problem my self, didn't had the extreme problems, but I had many mental issues, I found the root cause to be family arguments and abuse, so I worked on fixing that relationship and getting the heck out of that house, fixed the problem, but it took some effort and time which I'll never get back but still worth it than being on drugs that probably wouldn do me any good in long term.





easily debunked FUD from anti-vaccine nutters:

http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/people/joseph-moshe/

LOL you got the name wrong.

you nutters can't even do simple research like getting the name correct.

Just because I linked to a low-quality story I really have no idea about because I wasn't around when it happened, doesn't mean other points don't stand, and if this one is just sensationalized, doesn't mean there's no fake vaccines in general, infact, we know that NSA engages in professonal misinformation and that the post might be the misinformation, not the original story, but I won't argue about a story so I guess you could consider that your victory, but not really.

Infact, this kind of behavior that you are using is classic.

I don't make excuses, so that what I posted stands and take it as you want, but, I can explain if it matter, that I really didn't plan to put this much effort into this as I have expected mostly negative responses and as caluclated my efforts may not be effective so why should I waste time trying to help if nobody wants the help.

I could as well add that I have been doing something else in the meantime and have picked that image from what I was doing on-fly, as it was handy, I'm not sitting here posting on one forum, if someone thinks that's all what I have a PC for is heavily mistaking.


FACT: A thiomersal is not 90% mercury. Seriously dude, you even listed the formula in your OP. It is a simple stoichiometric calculation.

Heavy-Metals in this context is a medial term, not an engineering term, it also includes all the toxic metals, including aluminum.

Thimerosal 90% being mercury was a typo, it's around 50%, other than that, enjoy your slow death ... don't tell me I didn't warn you.


Also let me clarify, the very aggressive use of the argument "safe in small dosages" is a total lie so stop following it mindlessly, it doesn't work like that, it accumulates, and most people aren't athletes and don't exercise, they don't clean out the heavy-metals, especially westerners who are known for their lazy lifestyle, no wonder all the heart, cancer, diseases are skyrocketing.



see, that's your problem. You don't know how to think.

vaccinations saves lives. vaccines don't cause autism.

that is scientifically proven fact.

ignoring facts and science because you want to believe random BS from a bunch nutters doesn't make you an open-minded person. It makes you an idiot.


It's fake science funded by the pharmaceutical industrial complex, wake up. There is some authentic science out there but the trick is figuring out which ones, and it takes years of experience and knowledge you need to have.


All im doing here is seeding. You don't need to argue with how I think, and what I am, just focus on the content, and you need to focus long enough, I know im not going to change anyone here in this thread over a period of a few days or a week, it takes months possibly years, when I was uninformed I was anti-gun as well, but it took me several years to change my mind completely.

Hopefully someone remembers my efforts months or years ahead. All of you will keep denying, until you have received enough info when the spark will happen and you'll start having second , but if you play like a good slave, not paying attention, doing the stuff they want you to do, watching TV all day, wasting money on drinking and cigarettes, celebrity crap, movies, etc you just won't reach the treshold you need to.

And everyone's different, everyone's under a different level of brainwashing, the more heavy your emotional response is, the more intense the defense mechanism works when status quo is attacked, the more effort will it take and more time on your part to break the spell and awaken.


And the guy joking about more links, I have already put more than enough anyone can chew, and that's the point, you need to start slow, and continious, not stop over-research (night hours) and then all screwed up stop all together.

I wanted to post a testimonial and I can't find it right now, but I did already, and I don't think many of these guys watched, a great summary here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Abm6lnz_jg , ofcourse there's way more info and details than just these 13 minutes, but you need to do it your self, which is very hard, that's why I'm giving a kickstart, just being a good man trying to help another.
 

Sulaco

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According to the medical system, I also did had autism. But I ofcourse purposelly never went for any treatment and fixed my problem my self, didn't had the extreme problems, but I had many mental issues

Really?!? Who would have guessed...

P.S. You didn't fix it.
 

master_shake_

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won't your guys faces be red when they finally get the zombie apocalypse underway...

well not red... melting off maybe?
 

Iron Woode

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What is the meaning and context of that term, in your view. After he was threatened by the mafia corporations, hmm ?

Or doctors mislabeling puberty hyperactivity as autism to sell more brain-eating psychotropic drugs ?

According to the medical system, I also did had autism. But I ofcourse purposelly never went for any treatment and fixed my problem my self, didn't had the extreme problems, but I had many mental issues, I found the root cause to be family arguments and abuse, so I worked on fixing that relationship and getting the heck out of that house, fixed the problem, but it took some effort and time which I'll never get back but still worth it than being on drugs that probably wouldn do me any good in long term.

Just because I linked to a low-quality story I really have no idea about because I wasn't around when it happened, doesn't mean other points don't stand, and if this one is just sensationalized, doesn't mean there's no fake vaccines in general, infact, we know that NSA engages in professonal misinformation and that the post might be the misinformation, not the original story, but I won't argue about a story so I guess you could consider that your victory, but not really.

Infact, this kind of behavior that you are using is classic.

I don't make excuses, so that what I posted stands and take it as you want, but, I can explain if it matter, that I really didn't plan to put this much effort into this as I have expected mostly negative responses and as caluclated my efforts may not be effective so why should I waste time trying to help if nobody wants the help.

I could as well add that I have been doing something else in the meantime and have picked that image from what I was doing on-fly, as it was handy, I'm not sitting here posting on one forum, if someone thinks that's all what I have a PC for is heavily mistaking.

Heavy-Metals in this context is a medial term, not an engineering term, it also includes all the toxic metals, including aluminum.

Thimerosal 90% being mercury was a typo, it's around 50%, other than that, enjoy your slow death ... don't tell me I didn't warn you.

Also let me clarify, the very aggressive use of the argument "safe in small dosages" is a total lie so stop following it mindlessly, it doesn't work like that, it accumulates, and most people aren't athletes and don't exercise, they don't clean out the heavy-metals, especially westerners who are known for their lazy lifestyle, no wonder all the heart, cancer, diseases are skyrocketing.

It's fake science funded by the pharmaceutical industrial complex, wake up. There is some authentic science out there but the trick is figuring out which ones, and it takes years of experience and knowledge you need to have.

All im doing here is seeding. You don't need to argue with how I think, and what I am, just focus on the content, and you need to focus long enough, I know im not going to change anyone here in this thread over a period of a few days or a week, it takes months possibly years, when I was uninformed I was anti-gun as well, but it took me several years to change my mind completely.

Hopefully someone remembers my efforts months or years ahead. All of you will keep denying, until you have received enough info when the spark will happen and you'll start having second , but if you play like a good slave, not paying attention, doing the stuff they want you to do, watching TV all day, wasting money on drinking and cigarettes, celebrity crap, movies, etc you just won't reach the treshold you need to.

And everyone's different, everyone's under a different level of brainwashing, the more heavy your emotional response is, the more intense the defense mechanism works when status quo is attacked, the more effort will it take and more time on your part to break the spell and awaken.

And the guy joking about more links, I have already put more than enough anyone can chew, and that's the point, you need to start slow, and continious, not stop over-research (night hours) and then all screwed up stop all together.

I wanted to post a testimonial and I can't find it right now, but I did already, and I don't think many of these guys watched, a great summary here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Abm6lnz_jg , ofcourse there's way more info and details than just these 13 minutes, but you need to do it your self, which is very hard, that's why I'm giving a kickstart, just being a good man trying to help another.
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Newell Steamer

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Interesting,.. we feared biological attacks from terrorists,.. and we are getting bit in the ass from our own fear mongering, sensationalism and conspiracy theorists.

Further more interesting,... the same conspiracy theorists are the ones who claimed their "discoveries" are to prevent us from being hurt by our own government/establishment.
 

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