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Atomic Playboy

Atomic Playboy

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CADsortaGUY said:
Wrong. I am getting less and paying more. Sure I get a few coverages that I wouldn't have but there was a reason I didn't have them - I DON'T NEED THEM.
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OK, so you're getting more coverage, but because it's coverage you specifically don't need, it's not useful to you... But where are you actually getting "less" coverage? It sounds to me like you're paying more for more, but the more is useless to you, so you're paying more for the same plus useless stuff, none of which translates to "less coverage."
 
CADsortaGUY

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Atomic Playboy said:
OK, so you're getting more coverage, but because it's coverage you specifically don't need, it's not useful to you... But where are you actually getting "less" coverage? It sounds to me like you're paying more for more, but the more is useless to you, so you're paying more for the same plus useless stuff, none of which translates to "less coverage."
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The less coverage comes in with office visits and other actually USEFULL stuff. The extras I now have are prescription coverage(we have had exactly 2 prescriptions filled in the last 5 years) and "womens health" BS(birthcontrol etc) which at this point is stupid as our youngest is 8 and there is zero chance for more kids. The plan I had picked out did not have those coverages and was much cheaper, but then obamacare hit and those plans went away and now I pay more in premiums AND deductibles plus the co-pays went up and lost vision check, yearly checkup, etc. So yeah, tell me again how I get "more coverage"?
 
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mchammer187

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Incorruptible said:
No, You and your ilk love to complain about the Koch brothers yet there is hardly anything about Sorros. A clear case of double standards.
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You and your ilk love to defend the Koch brothers but only speak of ill toward Sorros a clear case of double standards.
 
theeedude

theeedude

Lifer
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Does anyone really believe that oligarchs are for a free society? Look at how free oligarchical societies like Russia and China are.
 
werepossum

werepossum

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Atomic Playboy said:
I'm no fan of the Koch brothers, but this is a really flimsy reason to be opposed to the wealthy. Oh no, the teenage children of billionaires start disrespecting people... exactly like the teenage children of the middle-class and poor people! It's almost like teenagers become antisocial as they go through puberty. Holy shit.
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:D

bshole said:
Well ok then, how about this then?

David Koch is attempting to (and in many cases already has) corrupted the political system in ways unseen since the Gilded Age when corruption by the hyper-wealthy plutocracy gave birth to the Progressive Movement.

David Koch is funding elections from the smallest to the largest in an effort to put his vassals into the seats of political decision making from school board members, to county commissioners, to state legislators and up the line.

David Koch super-Pacs using unlimited funding have become creators of assembly line "popular movements" creating carefully crafted media messages that play into paranoid fear, anger and anxiety.

David Koch money helps to fund talk radio, underwrite newspaper chains, and provides endless fodder to Fox and company.

David Koch money funds American Legislative Executive Council which is the source of each and every effort to disenfranchise voters who are unlikely to back his bought and paid for candidates.

David Koch is very much a part of the American narrative but not on the side that he and his allies claim.

Two people now have a greater political voice than all the unions COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is unforgiveable in 21st century America.
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Assuming that people using their own wealth to push their political preferences is bad while unions using coerced member donations to push the leaders' political preferences is good is as insane as, well, taking seriously anything published in Vanity Fair.
 
Fern

Fern

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Atomic Playboy said:
Did you read their explanation of why they rated it the way they did?

Americans for Prosperity said "millions are paying more and getting less" under Obamacare. We found their explanation of "less" rather dubious. Most people on the individual market are getting more benefits under the law. At worst, they’re paying more to get more, though in many cases they’re actually paying less.

We rate this claim False.
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No one is getting "less" under Obamacare. That part is a straight-up lie. Many people are paying more, but they aren't getting less.
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Many people are having to choose a higher deductible to offset the increased cost. So, yes, they are paying more for less.

Fern
 
highland145

highland145

Lifer
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werepossum said:
Assuming that people using their own wealth to push their political preferences is bad while unions using coerced member donations to push the leaders' political preferences is good is as insane as, well, taking seriously anything published in Vanity Fair.
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And trial lawyers. The buttered side of the bread.

A detailed Washington Examiner analysis of the top 110 plaintiffs' firms in America shows that their employees and partners gave about $7.3 million to political campaigns during the last cycle, with almost every penny -- 97 percent -- going to Democrats. The remaining 3 percent was split almost evenly between independent Senate candidate Charlie Crist of Florida and Republican candidates for federal office.
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But it is a drop in the bucket.
 
highland145

highland145

Lifer
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Fern said:
Many people are having to choose a higher deductible to offset the increased cost. So, yes, they are paying more for less.

Fern
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And I don't need maternity insurance. So I have more that it's impossible to use.

Not really a big gripe but the 54% increase is.
 
sandorski

sandorski

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The problem isn't the Koch Bros, it's $ in the system causing Corruption of the Process. It just so happens that the Koch Bros are pumping the most Corruption into the System.
 
highland145

highland145

Lifer
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sandorski said:
The problem isn't the Koch Bros, it's $ in the system causing Corruption of the Process. It just so happens that the Koch Bros are pumping the most Corruption into the System.
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Compared to the unions or the Christian right? I don't remember numbers.
 
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Incorruptible

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brycejones said:
Oh the internet tough guy at it again........

Guess your latest ban expired?
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What? The moron was being disrespectful and just wanted to attack me. I'll just tell him to STFU and ignore him.

sandorski said:
The problem isn't the Koch Bros, it's $ in the system causing Corruption of the Process. It just so happens that the Koch Bros are pumping the most Corruption into the System.
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Gotta love the stupidity of liberals. You want big government but then you see the consequences and you get upset.

If the government was restrained by the Constitution and didn't have so much power and spend so much there wouldn't be all this corruption. The ignorance is stunning.
 
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