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Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

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compuwiz1 said:
The Koch brothers must be doing something right, considering the democrats hate them. They should be honored. Facebook sure has some people's panties in a wad today, over the SCOTUS ruling on campaign contributions. The word Koch is all over the posts. Koch's must be the democrat's boogey man. LOL! It's actually some funny shit, considering the ass beating that is about to happen in the midterms.
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The order went out that the Koch brothers were going to be a major talking point in the run up to the November elections. It's part of the strategy of the left for the mid-terms to keep their based all hyped up. That rich conservative guys are doing something rich liberal guys aren't. We haven't seen nothing yet. The closer we get to November the more intense it's going to be. They can't run on the stagnant economy. They can't run on job creation. They sure as shit can't run on Obamacare with poll after poll indicating the huge disdain for it by the public. They have to distance themselves from Obama and his continual and incessant lying. Now, they've got scandal after scandal with a number of Democrat office holders, so many that it's hard to keep up. So they have to revert to the fall back agenda, demonize the right. We'll be hearing about the Koch brothers, the war on women, abortion (the ever-present issue like Roe vs. Wade has been repealed or something) and all the other faux issues they've whipped up to keep the faithful followers on point.
 
boomerang said:
The order went out that the Koch brothers were going to be a major talking point in the run up to the November elections. It's part of the strategy of the left for the mid-terms to keep their based all hyped up. ...
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Uh, sweetie, unless you can show us a "liberal" was holding a gun to his head, it was Koch who thrust himself into the debate by whining about how oppressed he is and publishing it in the Wall Street Journal. It was you, in turn, who chose to make a thread about it here. 404 - Left Not Found.
 
Incorruptible said:
Agree with the bolded. Liberals are so full of hatred towards them so they are doing a good job. It's pathetic the way liberals act like this.
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Lol are they making you angry? Because every other post of yours is about liberal. I guess that means they are doing something right then!


You can't argue with logic like that folks! No really, you literally can't argue with logic like that!
 
Bowfinger said:
Uh, sweetie, unless you can show us a "liberal" was holding a gun to his head, it was Koch who thrust himself into the debate by whining about how oppressed he is and publishing it in the Wall Street Journal. It was you, in turn, who chose to make a thread about it here. 404 - Left Not Found.
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It is a special kind of cognitive dissonance, isn't it? David Koch writes an op-ed, boomerang writes a thread praising said op-ed, and then as soon as someone weighs in with a negative viewpoint, "why are you liberals ALWAYS talking about the Koch brothers?" It's like if eskimospy posted a thread praising Obamacare and then immediately asked the conservatives why they won't shut up about it.
 
Bowfinger said:
I, for one, am glad to see Koch wrote an op-ed to set the record straight about himself and his brother. It's reassuring to know that just like OJ and 99% of the people in any prison, he is actually innocent no matter what the evidence says.

/facepalm
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+1

:colbert:
 
ivwshane said:
Lol are they making you angry? Because every other post of yours is about liberal. I guess that means they are doing something right then!


You can't argue with logic like that folks! No really, you literally can't argue with logic like that!
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What? I said it's a good thing that the liberals are getting angry.
 
Game theory time guys, if everyone else is getting regulations passed to put you out of business do you

a) give up
b) beat them at their own game
c) pickup your toys and go play somewhere else
 
Gonad the Barbarian said:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/americans-prosperity/statements/
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If the first entry is representative of the entire list it's worthless.

Millions of Americans are "paying more and getting less" under Obamacare.
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They claim that's totally false.

There's no way younger healthy guys, especially those who are single aren't paying more for less.

- They've got to pay for the elderly

- They've got to pay for those with preexisting conditions

- They've got to pay for women. (Subsidizing them.)

I would have to think there are millions of them too.

Fern
 
Fern said:
If the first entry is representative of the entire list it's worthless.
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Did you read their explanation of why they rated it the way they did?

Americans for Prosperity said "millions are paying more and getting less" under Obamacare. We found their explanation of "less" rather dubious. Most people on the individual market are getting more benefits under the law. At worst, they’re paying more to get more, though in many cases they’re actually paying less.

We rate this claim False.
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No one is getting "less" under Obamacare. That part is a straight-up lie. Many people are paying more, but they aren't getting less.
 
Fern said:
If the first entry is representative of the entire list it's worthless.



They claim that's totally false.

There's no way younger healthy guys, especially those who are single aren't paying more for less.

- They've got to pay for the elderly

- They've got to pay for those with preexisting conditions

- They've got to pay for women. (Subsidizing them.)

I would have to think there are millions of them too.

Fern
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That's how insurance works. Healthy subsidizing the sick. Unless you plan to blow your brains out before you become elderly and/or sick, then you can complain about subsidizing someone. Otherwise, you are just picking a moment in time and not looking at a whole picture. If you want to pick a moment in time, every day you are not sick but still paying premiums, you are subsidizing someone. Just like every day you don't have a car accident, you are subsidizing someone with your car insurance premiums.
 
senseamp said:
That's how insurance works. Healthy subsidizing the sick. Unless you plan to blow your brains out before you become elderly and/or sick, then you can complain about subsidizing someone. Otherwise, you are just picking a moment in time and not looking at a whole picture. If you want to pick a moment in time, every day you are not sick but still paying premiums, you are subsidizing someone. Just like every day you don't have a car accident, you are subsidizing someone with your car insurance premiums.
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Actually insurance is based on statistics. I think you meant group pricing. Seriously, we did insurance word problems in statistics. Insurance is based on risk, nothing more.

I can't believe you actually think this way.

Group pricing levels out the risk, but its still priced purely on risk and probabilities. Nobody is subsidizing anyone.

So for example, its possible for an insurance company to hypothetically make only one policy to one person at random per year. And statistically in the long run, they will make money if their formula is correct.
 
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OverVolt said:
Actually insurance is based on statistics. I think you meant group pricing. Seriously, we did insurance word problems in statistics. Insurance is based on risk, nothing more.

I can't believe you actually think this way.

Group pricing levels out the risk, but its still priced purely on risk and probabilities. Nobody is subsidizing anyone.

So for example, its possible for an insurance company to hypothetically make only one policy to one person at random per year. And statistically in the long run, they will make money if their formula is correct.
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If you don't have a claim over the life of the policy, you are subsidizing their profit.
 
Why does more government automatically equal less freedom? Programs like SS, Medicare/Medicaid give people freedom.

They point to regulation being in the way of the free market. What regulations do they not support? Worker safety? Food and drug safety? Auto safety? Product safety? Environment protections, yes. The minimum wage, yes. Campaign finance reform, yes.

It's hard to see why they garner any support.
 
Bowfinger said:
I, for one, am glad to see Koch wrote an op-ed to set the record straight about himself and his brother. It's reassuring to know that just like OJ and 99% of the people in any prison, he is actually innocent no matter what the evidence says.

/facepalm
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Thats an odd statement. Was he convicted of any crimes?
 
bshole said:
Boomer,

Why don't you ever engage the arguments? Do you have an opinion on a billionaire that doesn't tip the help? We tip our maid service more than this billionaire tips his doorman, how the fuck can that happen? Christ we're only middle class and we can still manage a $150 tip for the maid service every Christmas.
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There you have it. The man that is worth over $1Million and has a maid service thinks he is middle class. A Millionaire giving out a $150? Don't hurt yourself.
 
boomerang said:
He's guilty of being a rich conservative. The most heinous of crimes in the prog world.
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It was an analogy, a technique for helping simpletons understand more complex concepts. I'm not surprised it escaped you nonetheless. Perhaps you should consult your doorknob.
 
bradly1101 said:
Why does more government automatically equal less freedom? Programs like SS, Medicare/Medicaid give people freedom.

They point to regulation being in the way of the free market. What regulations do they not support? Worker safety? Food and drug safety? Auto safety? Product safety? Environment protections, yes. The minimum wage, yes. Campaign finance reform, yes.
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Because anything the government does has to be funded by money taken from somewhere else. Entitlement spending is growing faster than our ability to cut discretionary spending.

You don't hear about every legislative act that is passed to "improve" this aspect or that aspect of business. It could be that the widget manufacturer (widget-co) down the road already has a llama outreach specialist. So would they oppose a law that says "any widget manufacturer that produces a volume of x must have a llama outreach specialist?" Of course not, they already have one of those. Does such a law make it more difficult for anyone to try to compete with widget-co? Yes. Does the politician get to glad-hand with the widget-co ceo while they talk to crowds about how forward thinking they are for mandating llama outreach? Yes.

It's always the serfs who are on the chopping block when there's a deficit to solve. It's always teachers, police, and firefighters who are going to be laid off because of the shortfall. We must have the most efficient government on the planet if there's no duplication of effort or GS civilians just punching a time card for their retirement.
 
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Atomic Playboy said:
Did you read their explanation of why they rated it the way they did?



No one is getting "less" under Obamacare. That part is a straight-up lie. Many people are paying more, but they aren't getting less.
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Wrong. I am getting less and paying more. Sure I get a few coverages that I wouldn't have but there was a reason I didn't have them - I DON'T NEED THEM.
No, I don't have employer coverage - I just started my own business.
Also, why is this being discussed in this thread?
 
Bowfinger said:
Uh, sweetie, unless you can show us a "liberal" was holding a gun to his head, it was Koch who thrust himself into the debate by whining about how oppressed he is and publishing it in the Wall Street Journal. It was you, in turn, who chose to make a thread about it here. 404 - Left Not Found.
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Did you not pay attention? dirty harry reid has been huffing and puffing about them... Koch was responding to dirty and the rest of the nasty left.
Meh, rage on you supposed "independent" koch haters...
 
Bowfinger said:
Uh, sweetie, unless you can show us a "liberal" was holding a gun to his head, it was Koch who thrust himself into the debate by whining about how oppressed he is and publishing it in the Wall Street Journal. It was you, in turn, who chose to make a thread about it here. 404 - Left Not Found.
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Seems unlikely. :biggrin:
 
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