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Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

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bshole said:
Boomer,

Why don't you ever engage the arguments? Do you have an opinion on a billionaire that doesn't tip the help? We tip our maid service more than this billionaire tips his doorman, how the fuck can that happen? Christ we're only middle class and we can still manage a $150 tip for the maid service every Christmas.
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Uh, because in this case your argument is both juvenile and asinine to say the least. You're talking about a guy who for all we know is a progressive Democrat allegedly dissing one of the Koch brothers and you have no link to back it up. It sounds like made up bullshit or hearsay. Your post is stupid. There is just no other way to term it. But I'm glad I quoted it for posterity.

I just engaged in an argument with one of my doorknobs and the response I got from it eclipsed anything I'd get from you. What exactly, is wrong with you?
 
boomerang said:
Uh, because in this case your argument is both juvenile and asinine to say the least. You're talking about a guy who for all we know is a progressive Democrat allegedly dissing one of the Koch brothers and you have no link to back it up. It sounds like made up bullshit or hearsay. Your post is stupid. There is just no other way to term it. But I'm glad I quoted it for posterity.

I just engaged in an argument with one of my doorknobs and the response I got from it eclipsed anything I'd get from you. What exactly, is wrong with you?
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Here is the link.

We interviewed a guy who used to work as a doorman at 740 Park. I asked him to rank the tippers at the building, and he said the absolute worst was David Koch. He said he would get from him, every holiday season, a $50 check. I really found that appalling.

Something else that he said—which was much more profound and in a way much scarier—it was something out of The Stepford Wives. He and his pals would always see the kids of the wealthy people in that building moving in and out of the building, going to soccer games and Little League games, and they’d always be high-fiving them and jostling with them and having fun with them. Right around the time they were 12, 13, 14, it was as if a switch had snapped. They would stop talking to them, and they would just walk by. I found that really terrifying—the idea that somehow there’d be a socialization process, where you would say, “Don’t forget, you’re the son of a billionaire now, so you must treat people below your station with absolute disdain."
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http://www.vanityfair.com/online/da...st-tipper-park-avenue-alex-gibney-documentary
 
boomerang said:
Uh, because in this case your argument is both juvenile and asinine to say the least. You're talking about a guy who for all we know is a progressive Democrat allegedly dissing one of the Koch brothers and you have no link to back it up. It sounds like made up bullshit or hearsay. Your post is stupid. There is just no other way to term it. But I'm glad I quoted it for posterity.

I just engaged in an argument with one of my doorknobs and the response I got from it eclipsed anything I'd get from you. What exactly, is wrong with you?
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Could you give your keyboard to your doorknob, please? Your posts would become far less useless that way. I'm betting even your doorknob is bright enough to understand that Koch's yammering about his own peachiness is evidence of exactly squat. You seem less discerning.
 
I hope we have all learned our lesson here that it is deeply wrong and hurtful to be insufficiently deferential to plutocrats.

Interesting note: these super meritocrats inherited their wealth.
 
Aww, the guy trying to buy our political system is upset that others are pointing out that he is trying to buy our political system.
 
bshole said:
Something else that he said—which was much more profound and in a way much scarier—it was something out of The Stepford Wives. He and his pals would always see the kids of the wealthy people in that building moving in and out of the building, going to soccer games and Little League games, and they’d always be high-fiving them and jostling with them and having fun with them. Right around the time they were 12, 13, 14, it was as if a switch had snapped. They would stop talking to them, and they would just walk by. I found that really terrifying—the idea that somehow there’d be a socialization process, where you would say, “Don’t forget, you’re the son of a billionaire now, so you must treat people below your station with absolute disdain."
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I'm no fan of the Koch brothers, but this is a really flimsy reason to be opposed to the wealthy. Oh no, the teenage children of billionaires start disrespecting people... exactly like the teenage children of the middle-class and poor people! It's almost like teenagers become antisocial as they go through puberty. Holy shit.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
I'm no fan of the Koch brothers, but this is a really flimsy reason to be opposed to the wealthy. Oh no, the teenage children of billionaires start disrespecting people... exactly like the teenage children of the middle-class and poor people! It's almost like teenagers become antisocial as they go through puberty. Holy shit.
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Well ok then, how about this then?

David Koch is attempting to (and in many cases already has) corrupted the political system in ways unseen since the Gilded Age when corruption by the hyper-wealthy plutocracy gave birth to the Progressive Movement.

David Koch is funding elections from the smallest to the largest in an effort to put his vassals into the seats of political decision making from school board members, to county commissioners, to state legislators and up the line.

David Koch super-Pacs using unlimited funding have become creators of assembly line "popular movements" creating carefully crafted media messages that play into paranoid fear, anger and anxiety.

David Koch money helps to fund talk radio, underwrite newspaper chains, and provides endless fodder to Fox and company.

David Koch money funds American Legislative Executive Council which is the source of each and every effort to disenfranchise voters who are unlikely to back his bought and paid for candidates.

David Koch is very much a part of the American narrative but not on the side that he and his allies claim.

Two people now have a greater political voice than all the unions COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is unforgiveable in 21st century America.

The political network spearheaded by conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch has expanded into a far-reaching operation of unrivaled complexity, built around a maze of groups that cloaks its donors, according to an analysis of new tax returns and other documents. The filings show that the network of politically active nonprofit groups backed by the Kochs and fellow donors in the 2012 elections financially outpaced other independent groups on the right and, on its own, matched the long-established national coalition of labor unions that serves as one of the biggest sources of support for Democrats.
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eskimospy said:
I don't even know what that means.

They are all welcome to say what they want. The idea that criticizing them for doing it is stifling free debate is transparently absurd.

Talk about a bunch of crybabies. They can dish it out, but start crying when people give it back.
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Please, detail for me who exactly said that, you are the first to use the phrase in this thread.
 
BUnit1701 said:
No, he said you nutty leftists wont have open debate, you just engage in character assassination, which is 100% correct. Just look at the NYC hospital thread, didn't matter what he was doing, he was an evil hack.
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Which is how he characterizes criticism of him.
 
LOL.

The very first word of the title is one of the leftloons' rage triggers. The instant they read it their brains switch off and into blind hate and emo-rage mode they go. Nothing else that follows matters, as you've already triggered them to vomit hatred blindly.

Same effect starting a thread by ringing the WALMART bell.

The sheer lunacy is entertaining. And revealing of just how much people can allow their lives to revolve around someone else pushing their emo-rage buttons.
 
Zaap said:
LOL.

The very first word of the title is one of the leftloons' rage triggers. The instant they read it their brains switch off and into blind hate and emo-rage mode they go. Nothing else that follows matters, as you've already triggered them to vomit hatred blindly.

Same effect starting a thread by ringing the WALMART bell.

The sheer lunacy is entertaining. And revealing of just how much people can allow their lives to revolve around someone else pushing their emo-rage buttons.
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Its funny seeing you low intelligence rightwing trash defend your masters.
 
BUnit1701 said:
So he should be criticized for donating his money to a hospital?
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Of course not. That comprises about 1% of all the criticism ever leveled at the esteemed Koch brothers, however.

He wants to be able to attack his political opponents with millions of dollars in ads and other activities but he squeals like a stuck pig when people attack him back. He's not only a baby, he's a hypocrite.

Then again, he was born into a position of enormous privilege and wealth and has never known anything different. He may very well be genuinely shocked and hurt when someone isn't deferential to him.
 
Zaap said:
LOL.

The very first word of the title is one of the leftloons' rage triggers. The instant they read it their brains switch off and into blind hate and emo-rage mode they go. Nothing else that follows matters, as you've already triggered them to vomit hatred blindly.

Same effect starting a thread by ringing the WALMART bell.

The sheer lunacy is entertaining. And revealing of just how much people can allow their lives to revolve around someone else pushing their emo-rage buttons.
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Agree. Why so much rage for the Koch brothers? They have this obsession with them and it makes no sense.

Before I didn't even know about the Koch brothers until I heard the leftist morons showing all their rage towards them.
 
Incorruptible said:
Agree. Why so much rage for the Koch brothers? They have this obsession with them and it makes no sense.

Before I didn't even know about the Koch brothers until I heard the leftist morons showing all their rage towards them.
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And that's the way Koch's want it. To spend hundreds of millions on political ads without being linked to them, so suckers like you think they are grassroots groups.
But if like the Roberts Supreme Court says, money is speech, then if you are going to speak with your money, you shouldn't hide in the shadows.
Kochs have been raging at the Democrats for years, now they can enjoy some blowback.
 
eskimospy said:
Of course not. That comprises about 1% of all the criticism ever leveled at the esteemed Koch brothers, however.

He wants to be able to attack his political opponents with millions of dollars in ads and other activities but he squeals like a stuck pig when people attack him back. He's not only a baby, he's a hypocrite.

Then again, he was born into a position of enormous privilege and wealth and has never known anything different. He may very well be genuinely shocked and hurt when someone isn't deferential to him.
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LMAO so in your opinion, he should just shut up and go away because a few liberals are butt hurt he buys commercials? He has the same right to complain that you all do.
 
BUnit1701 said:
LMAO so in your opinion, he should just shut up and go away because a few liberals are butt hurt he buys commercials? He has the same right to complain that you all do.
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Have you read a single thing I've written? How can reading comprehension be this poor?

He doesn't need to do anything, he's free to say and do whatever he wants. Likewise, people are free to criticize him for doing that. He is the one complaining that people should just shut up and go away because he doesn't like them saying mean things.

Speaking of being butt hurt, who is the guy who took out an op-ed in a major american newspaper to complain about how mean people are to him? The guy is a whiner and a hypocrite.
 
Koch Bros don't do anything dif than other politicians and lobbyists alike. It's just they have an almost endless supply of money to do so, so the effects of their agenda's are more substantial.
 
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