Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

boomerang

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I really didn't know too much about these guys except the hostility laden vitriol the leftist/progressives here disgorge on a regular basis. For opposing information, read on.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286?mod=hp_opinion&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286.html%3Fmod%3Dhp_opinion

"Instead of welcoming free debate, collectivists engage in character assassination."

I have devoted most of my life to understanding the principles that enable people to improve their lives. It is those principles—the principles of a free society—that have shaped my life, my family, our company and America itself.

Unfortunately, the fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom are under attack by the nation's own government. That's why, if we want to restore a free society and create greater well-being and opportunity for all Americans, we have no choice but to fight for those principles. I have been doing so for more than 50 years, primarily through educational efforts. It was only in the past decade that I realized the need to also engage in the political process.

A truly free society is based on a vision of respect for people and what they value. In a truly free society, any business that disrespects its customers will fail, and deserves to do so. The same should be true of any government that disrespects its citizens. The central belief and fatal conceit of the current administration is that you are incapable of running your own life, but those in power are capable of running it for you. This is the essence of big government and collectivism.

More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned that this could happen. "The natural progress of things," Jefferson wrote, "is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." He knew that no government could possibly run citizens' lives for the better. The more government tries to control, the greater the disaster, as shown by the current health-care debacle. Collectivists (those who stand for government control of the means of production and how people live their lives) promise heaven but deliver hell. For them, the promised end justifies the means.

Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination. (I should know, as the almost daily target of their attacks.) This is the approach that Arthur Schopenhauer described in the 19th century, that Saul Alinsky famously advocated in the 20th, and that so many despots have infamously practiced. Such tactics are the antithesis of what is required for a free society—and a telltale sign that the collectivists do not have good answers.

Rather than try to understand my vision for a free society or accurately report the facts about Koch Industries, our critics would have you believe we're "un-American" and trying to "rig the system," that we're against "environmental protection" or eager to "end workplace safety standards." These falsehoods remind me of the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan's observation, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Here are some facts about my philosophy and our company:

Koch companies employ 60,000 Americans, who make many thousands of products that Americans want and need. According to government figures, our employees and the 143,000 additional American jobs they support generate nearly $11.7 billion in compensation and benefits. About one-third of our U.S.-based employees are union members.

Koch employees have earned well over 700 awards for environmental, health and safety excellence since 2009, many of them from the Environmental Protection Agency and Occupational Safety and Health Administration. EPA officials have commended us for our "commitment to a cleaner environment" and called us "a model for other companies."

Our refineries have consistently ranked among the best in the nation for low per-barrel emissions. In 2012, our Total Case Incident Rate (an important safety measure) was 67% better than a Bureau of Labor Statistics average for peer industries. Even so, we have never rested on our laurels. We believe there is always room for innovation and improvement.

Far from trying to rig the system, I have spent decades opposing cronyism and all political favors, including mandates, subsidies and protective tariffs—even when we benefit from them. I believe that cronyism is nothing more than welfare for the rich and powerful, and should be abolished.

Koch Industries was the only major producer in the ethanol industry to argue for the demise of the ethanol tax credit in 2011. That government handout (which cost taxpayers billions) needlessly drove up food and fuel prices as well as other costs for consumers—many of whom were poor or otherwise disadvantaged. Now the mandate needs to go, so that consumers and the marketplace are the ones who decide the future of ethanol.

Instead of fostering a system that enables people to help themselves, America is now saddled with a system that destroys value, raises costs, hinders innovation and relegates millions of citizens to a life of poverty, dependency and hopelessness. This is what happens when elected officials believe that people's lives are better run by politicians and regulators than by the people themselves. Those in power fail to see that more government means less liberty, and liberty is the essence of what it means to be American. Love of liberty is the American ideal.

If more businesses (and elected officials) were to embrace a vision of creating real value for people in a principled way, our nation would be far better off—not just today, but for generations to come. I'm dedicated to fighting for that vision. I'm convinced most Americans believe it's worth fighting for, too.

Mr. Koch is chairman and CEO of Koch Industries.
 
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compuwiz1

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Leftists always need a target. I never got it either. Everything bad that happens in this country will always be back tracked to the evil Koch bros. There must be a play book out there that these retards are reading from. Worse that they drank a sewer full of it.
 

fskimospy

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Lol. The guys who have spend millions and millions of dollars on political attack ads against their opponents, many of which are so hilariously false and distortive as to almost defy belief, complain about people attacking them.

Yet again, it never ceases to amaze me what the rubes will swallow.
 

WackyDan

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Lol. The guys who have spend millions and millions of dollars on political attack ads against their opponents, many of which are so hilariously false and distortive as to almost defy belief, complain about people attacking them.

Yet again, it never ceases to amaze me what the rubes will swallow.

So you feel the same way about Soros then eh?
 

UberNeuman

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I guess the first two posters in this thread have a problem with free speech.

Have your caretakers take you outside to get some air and see the real world - and drop the martyr complex...
 

QuantumPion

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Lol. The guys who have spend millions and millions of dollars on political attack ads against their opponents, many of which are so hilariously false and distortive as to almost defy belief, complain about people attacking them.

Yet again, it never ceases to amaze me what the rubes will swallow.

Are you suggesting that liberals don't have any billionaires spending millions on political attack ads, and that liberals don't complain about attack ads directed against them?

Or just that liberals are always 100% correct about every issue and conservatives are 100% wrong, therefore all liberal attack ads and lies are justified in the name of righteousness and all conservative attack ads are evil slander?
 

fskimospy

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So you feel the same way about Soros then eh?

I don't even know what that means.

They are all welcome to say what they want. The idea that criticizing them for doing it is stifling free debate is transparently absurd.

Talk about a bunch of crybabies. They can dish it out, but start crying when people give it back.
 

JManInPhoenix

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Both sides have their cash cows. Both sides engage in distortion of facts. Nothing new here.
 

fskimospy

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Are you suggesting that liberals don't have any billionaires spending millions on political attack ads, and that liberals don't complain about attack ads directed against them?

Or just that liberals are always 100% correct about every issue and conservatives are 100% wrong, therefore all liberal attack ads and lies are justified in the name of righteousness and all conservative attack ads are evil slander?

Lolwut.

I have no idea how you got this insane post out of what I wrote. I'm saying that the Koch brothers complaining that public attacks on them stifles free debate is hilarious, considering their political activities. I don't care about liberal millionaires or billionaires.
 

QuantumPion

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I guess the first two posters in this thread have a problem with free speech.

What are you talking about? They are just telling their side of the issue, where has anyone even suggested that anything should be banned in any way? I think you are projecting your own disdain of free speech onto others - just because liberals want to ban speech they disagree with doesn't mean conservatives do the same.
 

QuantumPion

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Lolwut.

I have no idea how you got this insane post out of what I wrote. I'm saying that the Koch brothers complaining that public attacks on them stifles free debate is hilarious, considering their political activities. I don't care about liberal millionaires or billionaires.

They didn't say public attacks stifles free debate. They said character assassination and intimidation stifles free debate. Do you disagree that character assassination and intimidation stifles free debate?
 

Newell Steamer

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Ah yes, they support a free market,.. where they can manipulate and control it for their own benefit.

Also, in regards to character assassination, these guys didn't invent it,.. but, they sure as hell refined, honed and swing it around like a battle ax.

Two poor rich white guys, being called out on their underhanded political and business actions makes them victims.

When will the persecution stop?!
 

UberNeuman

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What are you talking about? They are just telling their side of the issue, where has anyone even suggested that anything should be banned in any way? I think you are projecting your own disdain of free speech onto others - just because liberals want to ban speech they disagree with doesn't mean conservatives do the same.

Why are you attacking my free speech?
 

manimal

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Once again corporate america pulls one over on the innocent and gullible.


While they may donate money to charity and put up a good face they need to be held accountable for pushing their agendas.

They own one of the largest privately held companies and benefited GREATLY from deregulation of the power industry that they lobbied for. Now they lobby for their interests. I dont see anything wrong with them lobbying for their corporate interests. What I disagree with is the tools and the manner which they do that.


These guys are big business incarnate.
 

dank69

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They didn't say public attacks stifles free debate. They said character assassination and intimidation stifles free debate. Do you disagree that character assassination and intimidation stifles free debate?
Then why do they assassinate so many Democrats' characters. Keep drinking their crocodile tears.
 

Bowfinger

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I, for one, am glad to see Koch wrote an op-ed to set the record straight about himself and his brother. It's reassuring to know that just like OJ and 99% of the people in any prison, he is actually innocent no matter what the evidence says.

/facepalm
 

fskimospy

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They didn't say public attacks stifles free debate. They said character assassination and intimidation stifles free debate. Do you disagree that character assassination and intimidation stifles free debate?

They complained about people doing the same things to them that they do to others, only when they do it I'm sure they consider it electioneering and when others do it to them it is character assassination.

They are just acting like entitled whiners. They didn't even have enough self awareness to stop calling their political opponents "collectivists" while complaining about it.
 

bshole

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Dave Koch:
I have devoted most of my life to understanding the principles that enable people to improve their lives. It is those principles—the principles of a free society—that have shaped my life, my family, our company and America itself.

And it is his "principles" that inform his actions, a billionaire that couldn't be bothered to tip the help. He is a cheap piece of shit.

“The cheapest person overall was David Koch,” the former doorman tells Gibney, his voice altered and his face in shadow.“We would load up his trucks -- two vans usually -- every weekend for the Hamptons.

“In and out, in and out, heavy bags. We would never get a tip from Mr. Koch. We would never get a smile from Mr. Koch.”

Koch did, however, hand out Christmas bonuses. Each doorman got a check for $50.
 

boomerang

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Dave Koch:

And it is his "principles" that inform his actions, a billionaire that couldn't be bothered to tip the help. He is a cheap piece of shit.
Post #21 and you're already scraping the bottom of the barrel. LOL!
 

bshole

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Boomer,

Why don't you ever engage the arguments? Do you have an opinion on a billionaire that doesn't tip the help? We tip our maid service more than this billionaire tips his doorman, how the fuck can that happen? Christ we're only middle class and we can still manage a $150 tip for the maid service every Christmas.
 

IronWing

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How do the Koch's petcoke dust storms in Indiana improve the lives of the people who live there? How does this dust contribute to a free society?
 

Jaskalas

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I really didn't know too much about these guys except the hostility laden vitriol the leftist/progressives here disgorge on a regular basis. For opposing information, read on.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286?mod=hp_opinion&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286.html%3Fmod%3Dhp_opinion

"Instead of welcoming free debate, collectivists engage in character assassination."

They certainly get points for messaging. Your quoted bit was short and effective. Truth is though, the other side has already won. Count the number of people dependent on the federal government. Notice a trend?

I do not see how Koch or anyone can stop the devaluation of labor. Such truism means the end of the American dream, where individuals pull themselves up by their bootstraps through labor. As such, we need to orchestrate a means of production cheap and efficient enough to enable poverty stricken people to survive when they otherwise could not.

Now show me anyone capable of meeting those needs. Not even our government at the moment. They pay farmers not to produce abundance to keep prices high enough so farmers can remain profitable and put "food on the table" for themselves. Heh. Imagine that, paying people to keep food expensive.

Yet that is precisely the problem we face. Human thinking has not yet matured enough to see that we have adopted backwards policy. We need cheaper food, cheaper basic needs, and policy must be put in place to make it as cheap as possible. Eventually achieving an abundance so great that these basic needs are free.

So please tell me, Koch et al, how do you plan to cling to the old values of labor and individualism in the face of automation and the cheapening / elimination of jobs. How do you return us to the old world while humanity continues to evolve?
 
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