*Kitna named Superbowl MVP!* Official NFL 2013 Postseason thread

[rudeguy]

Well, there is that whole broken collarbone thing.... :hmm:

and again, if you watched those tosses, it wasn't from lack of Rodgers. dude is a troll.

And you keep feeding him. ..

 

[zinfamous]

My argument was that no body looks good without good players around them. Just look at Tom Brady's stats this year with and without Gronk. Luck's numbers with and without Wayne.

Crabtree came back and gave the team balance. Before, it was just double Boldin and no one could get open. Now you can't just double Boldin because Crabtree is there.

Do you even know ANYTHING about football? Holy crap. I feel like I'm arguing with a retard. No offense.

Brady has won very well without Gronk. Gronk didnt' do all that much for himself, Brady, or the team, the few games that he played.

You should actually look at these numbers before you pull them out of your ass.

But I do agree--Crabtree adds A LOT to the Niners. very different offense after his return. Boldin is what has kept them going, though.



I'm the retard? why is it that no one really agrees with you on any of this? :hmm:

 

[zinfamous]

And you keep feeding him. ..

I meant, Rodgers is a troll, for the way he makes those throws....

 

[mikegg]

Brady has won very well without Gronk. Gronk didnt' do all that much for himself, Brady, or the team, the few games that he played.

You should actually look at these numbers before you pull them out of your ass.

But I do agree--Crabtree adds A LOT to the Niners. very different offense after his return. Boldin is what has kept them going, though.

Why do you keep trolling? Seriously. Here, look at the numbers with and without Gronk:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-rob-gronkowski-on-tom-brady-patriots-offense

You call that "didn't do much"? What a joke. Do you have any credibility left?

FYI, Niners won very well without Crabtree too.

Edit: I'm done. I realize that I'm arguing with someone who simply makes stuff up, never backs up anything, makes inaccurate and dumb statements without any backing.

Good night. Great win by Niners and splendid game by Kaep.

 

[zinfamous]

Why do you keep trolling? Seriously. Here, look at the numbers with and without Gronk:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-rob-gronkowski-on-tom-brady-patriots-offense

You call that "didn't do much"? What a joke. Do you have any credibility left?

FYI, Niners won very well without Crabtree too.

Edit: I'm done. I realize that I'm arguing with someone who simply makes stuff up, never backs up anything, makes inaccurate and dumb statements without any backing.

Good night. Great win by Niners and splendid game by Kaep.

and I just argued with someone that posted a BLEACHER REPORT "article"

lol. sure, buddy.

yeah, Niners were 1-3 at one point without Crabtree, and also got their asses handed to them, at home, by the Colts.

I don't think you live around here, at all, because it was like everyone was calling it the end of the season then....without Crabtree, when they were "doing OK."

The Patriots won jsut as well without Gronk as they did with Gronk. ...not so much the Niners without Crabtree. But, to you--Niners = Kaepernick. his piddly little QBR number--whatever the fuck that means--is all that matters.

You should start watching games, rather than read numbers on paper after the fact.

 

[fustercluck]

No. Andy Reid did a great job but he SHOULD NOT be the coach of the year. Reid inherited a 2-14 team and took them from worst to first but this is deceptive. That 2-14 KC team still had 6 pro bowlers. The last coach just f'ed up royally from a coaching standpoint but KC had a ton of talent on the roster. If Reid took them deep in the playoffs, I can accept him being the coach of the year but a "one and done" with that much talent and how they pretty much backed into the playoffs? No.

IMHO, and this is not being a homer, Chip Kelly did a much better job considering the talent level that was on the roster when Reid left Philadelphia.
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I vehemently disagree with Chip Kelly as coach of the year. Chip Kelley got a lot of credit for the great play of Nick Foles, who Chip originally wanted to play backup to a Michael Vick who has been shitty for a long time. AND the Eagles play in the worst division in football while KC is in arguably the best divison. Andy Reid is easily coach of the year and the runner up is not even close, although Belichik, Arians, and even Ron Rivera also did really well. I have no big favorites in any of these teams/coaches, so I got no big bias, just a life long NFL fan.

Finally got some real NFL playoff football tonight! Loved the Packers/Niners game.

 

[zinfamous]

If games were played on paper, and numbers told you everything, then Denver would have destroyed, let alone, beat Baltimore last year.

yeah.

 

[Perknose]

He has one of the strongest arms among QBs but just average accuracy. Combine those with his legs, you get one heck of a QB.

Michael Vick. You get Michael Vick.

 

[Childs]

Rodgers said he was fine and not rusty.

That was a typical QB media response. If you seen the games he played before the injury and the last two, he wasnt nearly as efficient. Also, he didnt do much scrambling in the last couple of games, which was probably to prevent further injury to his collar bone.

Niners gave up over 800 yards passing in their last 2 games. Why couldn't Rodgers exploit that?

The Cards are better than the Packers, and most of those yards came against the Cards. The Packers shouldnt have even been in the playoffs. And this is only Rodgers second game back, and he has looked good at times, but I think most of that was against the Bears, and they have a bad defense. He doesnt look 100%.

Kaepernick clearly outplayed Rodgers in their 3 games. Packers fans will tell you that.

This would matter more if the Packers actually had the better team in any of those meetings. If Rodgers got to play against the Packers D he would have the highest QBR of all time, although I think he does anyway. The last couple of years the Packers have been one dimensional, injured, or both. Rodgers typically has a QBR of over 100. If Kaep has had better numbers than Rodgers when they played, its because the 49ers D is better than the Packers D. Remember, the 49ers were in the NFC Championship with Alex Smith as the starter, and I think the Packers have been 1 and done in the playoffs since their SB win. These teams are not equal.

 

[BUTCH1]

Brady has won very well without Gronk. Gronk didnt' do all that much for himself, Brady, or the team, the few games that he played.

You should actually look at these numbers before you pull them out of your ass.

But I do agree--Crabtree adds A LOT to the Niners. very different offense after his return. Boldin is what has kept them going, though.



I'm the retard? why is it that no one really agrees with you on any of this? :hmm:

It's more like Brady barely managed wins without Gronk, the guys got velcro hands, is taller than the DB's that try and cover him and difficult to get to the ground. In the last few games the Pat's have turned back to the run game with good results using Blount in the red zone. While Amendola and Edelman have proven difficult to cover on seam routes and have produced well it's a totally different story close to the goal line where a QB loves having a guy like Gronk because he can just throw it up where only his guy can get it, not an option with a '5"10 receiver.

 

[mikegg]

and I just argued with someone that posted a BLEACHER REPORT "article"

lol. sure, buddy.

yeah, Niners were 1-3 at one point without Crabtree, and also got their asses handed to them, at home, by the Colts.

I don't think you live around here, at all, because it was like everyone was calling it the end of the season then....without Crabtree, when they were "doing OK."

The Patriots won jsut as well without Gronk as they did with Gronk. ...not so much the Niners without Crabtree. But, to you--Niners = Kaepernick. his piddly little QBR number--whatever the fuck that means--is all that matters.

You should start watching games, rather than read numbers on paper after the fact.

1. Did you look at the numbers with and without Gronk? What does Bleacher Reports have anything to do with it? Are the numbers going to be different if it isn't Bleacher Reports?

2. Niners were 1-2 at one point. They were 7-4 without Crabtree overall. 90% of the league would kill for a 7-4 record. They had a 5 game winning streak without Crab. They had another 5 game winning streak with Crab.

3. So it has come down to this... Your only argument left is that all of Kaepernick's success is from Crabtree...

 

[mikegg]

It's more like Brady barely managed wins without Gronk, the guys got velcro hands, is taller than the DB's that try and cover him and difficult to get to the ground. In the last few games the Pat's have turned back to the run game with good results using Blount in the red zone. While Amendola and Edelman have proven difficult to cover on seam routes and have produced well it's a totally different story close to the goal line where a QB loves having a guy like Gronk because he can just throw it up where only his guy can get it, not an option with a '5"10 receiver.

Don't try to explain logic. He won't have any of it. He's just trying anything he can to diminish Kaepernick. He actually doesn't know that much about football but he's just coming out now to troll.

 

[zinfamous]

Someone should mention to senttoschool that Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. He needs to know this, because it was prior to the time he was watching football (he said 10 years).

Obviously, Trent Dilfer won those games for the Ravens.

 

[mikegg]

Someone should mention to senttoschool that Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. He needs to know this, because it was prior to the time he was watching football (he said 10 years).

Obviously, Trent Dilfer won those games for the Ravens.

WTF? You dodge all of my facts and you make random statements like this that doesn't have anything to do with anything? WTF...

 

[Childs]

Brady has won very well without Gronk. Gronk didnt' do all that much for himself, Brady, or the team, the few games that he played.

Brady only won 3 Superbowls without Gronk. I hate the Patriots, but Brady scares the hell out of me. Doesnt matter who he has on offense, they are good for 12 wins. And its shocking any time they lose, even if he looks bad for 3 quarters, because Brady is one clutch mofo.

 

[zinfamous]

It's more like Brady barely managed wins without Gronk, the guys got velcro hands, is taller than the DB's that try and cover him and difficult to get to the ground. In the last few games the Pat's have turned back to the run game with good results using Blount in the red zone. While Amendola and Edelman have proven difficult to cover on seam routes and have produced well it's a totally different story close to the goal line where a QB loves having a guy like Gronk because he can just throw it up where only his guy can get it, not an option with a '5"10 receiver.

Yes, but they still won.

anyway, this is a dumb argument and I hate to make it. The Niners are a great team and in probably the toughest division of football this year. Pats, a very good team, played in a middling conference for the last two seasons, so it's crazy to compare their situations

Brady--and I don't really like Brady but damn if he doesn't have touch and brains when in the pocket--has made a career of making mediocre receivers look good. I've always thought he was a system QB and that Belichick made Brady look good, and while there is some truth to that, Brady is just goddamn smart and has magic unicorn hands (like Rodgers). Now, he can't escape a wet paper bag and he's almost as mobile as a barnacle, but everything else about him makes him one of the best ever.

 

[zinfamous]

Don't try to explain logic. He won't have any of it. He's just trying anything he can to diminish Kaepernick. He actually doesn't know that much about football but he's just coming out now to troll.

I actually watch games. you look at paper and pull our your pocket calculator and scribble notes.

and yes--I look at numbers all the time. always. But the funny thing about stats, you can bend them however you wish.

...as with your insistence that Kapernicks's QBR matters most when Crabtree is playing. Or that it weights running to a degree that basically ignores the best QBs in the league--Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Brees.

this is funny, because you really don't know what you're talking about. And many of us are smirking here.

 

[BUTCH1]

Yes, but they still won.

anyway, this is a dumb argument and I hate to make it. The Niners are a great team and in probably the toughest division of football this year. Pats, a very good team, played in a middling conference for the last two seasons, so it's crazy to compare their situations

Brady--and I don't really like Brady but damn if he doesn't have touch and brains when in the pocket--has made a career of making mediocre receivers look good. I've always thought he was a system QB and that Belichick made Brady look good, and while there is some truth to that, Brady is just goddamn smart and has magic unicorn hands (like Rodgers). Now, he can't escape a wet paper bag and he's almost as mobile as a barnacle, but everything else about him makes him one of the best ever.

I agree, the Niner's are a great team in a tough division but your kinda off about Brady, while you wont see him scamper for a first very often he is a master (just like Marino was) of sliding away from the pressure long enough to make the throw, "pocket presence" as it's known. He did have one notable run in his entire career where he juked-out Urlaker, here it is..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAt6S1RHBYs

 

[zinfamous]

I agree, the Niner's are a great team in a tough division but your kinda off about Brady, while you wont see him scamper for a first very often he is a master (just like Marino was) of sliding away from the pressure long enough to make the throw, "pocket presence" as it's known. He did have one notable run in his entire career where he juked-out Urlaker, here it is..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAt6S1RHBYs

OK, that was funny. Manning is worse on the move, I'd say--by virtue of Brady making Urlacher miss the one time.

It's just that more often than not, I see those two QBs hug the ball and wait for the sack in situations that Rodgers, Wilson, Kaep and yeah, even Smith would try to avoid. and sure, part of that is being smart--weighing what you would get out of the coverage that you already saw, or simply weighing your own abilities against certain pressure.

 

[manly]

I don't know which of you "trolls" is right, but it's way too early to declare Wilson a "way better" QB than Kaepernick. And I generally dislike the Niners.

Kaep experienced a "sophomore slump" (in his 3rd season), but many GMs will still say he's got the higher ceiling based on athleticism. Russell Wilson has been very efficient for a young player and overflows with "intangibles" that make him a successful leader.

If you take out the 3 games that Kaep has destroyed my Packers, his total production goes down a bit. Clearly, Dom Capers still doesn't know how to contain Kaepernick (although the players did an admirable job tonight of bending and not breaking). In fact the D played well enough to win, they just really needed the offense to score a go-ahead TD with 5 minutes to play.

Right now I'd give Wilson the edge, but not by a lot.

 

[RPD]

What a weekend of football!!

Ok as a life long Niners fan I feel I'm pretty fair in my assessments of the team. I'm honestly not sold on Kaep. He's not consistent enough for my liking. Just as they said in the pre-game, load the box and gamble on making him beat you with his arm. Everyone knows we can run, but you saw it again tonight. Some really bad throws, too much on a few open guys and under thrown on a few long balls as well (the TD to VD was under thrown). As much as I'd like to say the temp has something to do with it, he's done it all year. Really wish he'd work on his touch as others have said. He does those bad things then will throw two lasers in a row and as a fan you are just baffled.

Last play of the game I was in disbelief, I thought it was blocked. Unbelievable on the reply, I told my wife looked like he timed the hike perfectly AND was untouched coming in. Then some how the ball goes through his arms.. Just WOW.

I think playing against CAR this time we won't be denied the end zone as we have Crabtree back in the line up and he's looking better each week.

 

[IAteYourMother]

I actually watch games. you look at paper and pull our your pocket calculator and scribble notes.

and yes--I look at numbers all the time. always. But the funny thing about stats, you can bend them however you wish.

...as with your insistence that Kapernicks's QBR matters most when Crabtree is playing. Or that it weights running to a degree that basically ignores the best QBs in the league--Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Brees.

this is funny, because you really don't know what you're talking about. And many of us are smirking here.

If you're to keep insisting that Kaepernick is an idiot on the field, than I honestly can't take anything you say seriously anymore. And I don't even consider myself a huge Kaepernick fan.

 

[fustercluck]

Kaep wins a lot which is the most important but like RPD said he makes a lot of really inaccurate passes. I think he should use his legs even more than he does and they should try and keep him to short passes as much as they can.

 

[rudeguy]

OK...so it looks like I opened a can of worms with the Kaep question. We will leave him in the "undecided" category.

Everyone seems to agree on the rest of the QBs being good. Well...what about Cam? I like him a lot but is he a good or great QB?

 

[JManInPhoenix]

IMO Cam is a good QB that will get better with time - he may become one of the greats one day. I am greatly pulling for the Panthers to win it all; but in reality, I expect the SB to have Denver beating Seattle...