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unseenmorbidity

unseenmorbidity

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SlowSpyder said:
The last three presidents, D or R have. As much as I want us to wind down the occupations and stop being such a world cop type, I assume there is some reason that both blue and red administrations have kept a presence. Kind of a you break it you buy it? Well, Bush broke parts of the mideast.
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The reason is pretty obvious... We are there to secure assets, so that corporations can come in and acquire those resources.
 
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SlowSpyder

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unseenmorbidity said:
The reason is pretty obvious... We are there to secure assets, so that corporations can come in and acquire those resources.
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So if both embedded career politician D's and R's in office since the occupations began have kept a large military presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, maybe we have a better shot at winding that down with a non-party owned president. At worst you can blame Trump as much as you blame Obama. But the left seems to give Obama a pass here.
 
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SlowSpyder said:
So if both embedded career politician D's and R's in office since the occupations began have kept a large military presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, maybe we have a better shot at winding that down with a non-party owned president. At worst you can blame Trump as much as you blame Obama. But the left seems to give Obama a pass here.
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I don't give Obama a pass at all. Fuck Obama.

Did you know that douchebag admitted to being a moderate republican?

That's the problem... We have one party, and they're both pro-war.
 
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SlowSpyder

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unseenmorbidity said:
I don't give Obama a pass at all. Fuck Obama.

Did you know that douchebag admitted to being a moderate republican?

That's the problem... We have one party, and they're both pro-war.
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And that's why Trump was eye opening to lots of people. He brought to light for many that we really have one party. He's a year in, let's see what he does on that front.
 
unseenmorbidity

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I wouldn't expect much from Trump, if I were you. This looks like another repeat of Reagan. The cabinet is in control of the white house.
 
imported_tajmahal

imported_tajmahal

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unseenmorbidity said:
Or we could ya know, transition away from fossil fuels...
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onto nuclear, may work. Because in liberal land the sun is always shining, the wind is always blowing at the right speed and we can burn unicorn farts for power when it isn't. Unicorn farts have no carbon, only magic.
 
Thebobo

Thebobo

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imported_tajmahal said:
onto nuclear, may work. Because in liberal land the sun is always shining, the wind is always blowing at the right speed and we can burn unicorn farts for power when it isn't. Unicorn farts have no carbon, only magic.
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I'll ignore the insults and comment on your post. Nuclear could work but the plants are extremely expensive and there is still the problem of nuclear waste. There is a new form of nuclear power that does not produce radioactive waste but it's a ways off. In the meantime we can use Wind Sun Water Geothermal If the country is serious on getting away from oil. We won't be 100 off oil for long time but we don't need more pipelines if we start switching over to renewables. And storage technology is also being worked on for wind and solar.

We already produce enough energy for our own country, what we don't need to do is remove mountain tops and poison streams in our country for the profits of a few corporations. Forgot where I heard it but Pruitt is talking about subsiding coal, and yet the entire coal industry employs fewer people than arby's, guess we need to Subsidise arby's as well.
 
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brycejones

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imported_tajmahal said:
onto nuclear, may work. Because in liberal land the sun is always shining, the wind is always blowing at the right speed and we can burn unicorn farts for power when it isn't. Unicorn farts have no carbon, only magic.
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Tajbot "Unable to understand new technology" mode enabled.
 
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imported_tajmahal

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Thebobo said:
I'll ignore the insults and comment on your post. Nuclear could work but the plants are extremely expensive and there is still the problem of nuclear waste. There is a new form of nuclear power that does not produce radioactive waste but it's a ways off. In the meantime we can use Wind Sun Water Geothermal If the country is serious on getting away from oil. We won't be 100 off oil for long time but we don't need more pipelines if we start switching over to renewables. And storage technology is also being worked on for wind and solar.

We already produce enough energy for our own country, what we don't need to do is remove mountain tops and poison streams in our country for the profits of a few corporations. Forgot where I heard it but Pruitt is talking about subsiding coal, and yet the entire coal industry employs fewer people than arby's, guess we need to Subsidise arby's as well.
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You can't run a grid on solar, wind, water and geo, it's impossible right now at our level of technology, but maybe you can catch some of those unicorns..................
 
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brycejones

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imported_tajmahal said:
You can't run a grid on solar, wind, water and geo, it's impossible right now at our level of technology, but maybe you can catch some of those unicorns..................
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Yet we're talking about an oil pipeline in this thread. A very minute % of grid power comes from oil.

So what is the next potential act of sabotage that you won't deny committing going to be?
 
Thebobo

Thebobo

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imported_tajmahal said:
You can't run a grid on solar, wind, water and geo, it's impossible right now at our level of technology, but maybe you can catch some of those unicorns..................
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Once again bypassing the insult, that's where traditional energy sources come in to fill the gaps and for wind sun heat water etc. We already do run grids on combinations of wind solar and traditional sources. And we will close that gap over the years to a pure renewable energy system.
 
ch33zw1z

ch33zw1z

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Thebobo said:
Once again bypassing the insult, that's where traditional energy sources come in to fill the gaps and for wind sun heat water etc. We already do run grids on combinations of wind solar and traditional sources. And we will close that gap over the years to a pure renewable energy system.
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deep state lies, all or nothing, burn it all asap.
 
Paratus

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imported_tajmahal said:
onto nuclear, may work. Because in liberal land the sun is always shining, the wind is always blowing at the right speed and we can burn unicorn farts for power when it isn't. Unicorn farts have no carbon, only magic.
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Liar. No viable renewable plan expects the sun to always shine or wind to always blow.

Mission critical renewable power systems require significant power storage sufficient to meet needs plus margins , coupled with power generation multiple times the size of the average load.

You sound really butthurt about how difficult massively subsidized fossils fuels are having competing with renewables on the open market. Your retirement would happen to be tied to fossil fuels would it?
 
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The thousands of jobs are not for installation of the pipeline but rather making new parts since apparently there is a 7 year MTBF for this thing. I expect to see a surge in pipeline manufacturing jobs soon.
 
sdifox

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Apparently they approve the alternate route? The land owner were never notified? This is going to get very interesting.
 
imported_tajmahal

imported_tajmahal

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Paratus said:
Liar. No viable renewable plan expects the sun to always shine or wind to always blow.

Mission critical renewable power systems require significant power storage sufficient to meet needs plus margins , coupled with power generation multiple times the size of the average load.

You sound really butthurt about how difficult massively subsidized fossils fuels are having competing with renewables on the open market. Your retirement would happen to be tied to fossil fuels would it?
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So you are making the claim that 100% renewable power is now a possible solution to the power needs of the United States?
Your continued job wouldn't be tied to eating at the government trough would it little piggie?
 
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imported_tajmahal said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...he-subsidy-that-fossil-fuels-do/#76e05c3619d8
Renewables Get 25 Times The Subsidy That Fossil Fuels Do
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nice quote..

the whole quote is

Per unit of energy produced renewables do indeed get 25 times the subsidy of fossil fuels.

https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2015/02/f19/FY2016BudgetStatisticalTablebyAppropriation.pdf

Total, Fossil energy programs...................................................... 791,117

Total, Renewable energy................................................................. 456,000

Note 2015 numbers..
 
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