Keystone Pipeline leaks...

[Homerboy]

is that an opinion or a "fact"?

It's sort of a fact. When it's spilled on the ocean it spread for 100s of miles in every direction. When on land, it's more "contained" (and I use that term loosely). Obviously it can seep in to the ground and in bad cases, in to the ground water. Neither are a good choice though of course.

 

[dank69]

Improving North Dakota, one spill at a time.

 

[randay]

It's sort of a fact. When it's spilled on the ocean it spread for 100s of miles in every direction. When on land, it's more "contained" (and I use that term loosely). Obviously it can seep in to the ground and in bad cases, in to the ground water. Neither are a good choice though of course.

Evaporation is a major process for remediation of oil spills. Go ahead... pour a cup of oil into a bucket of water, then pour a cup into a bucket of sand. Guess which one evaporates faster.

 

[sdifox]

is that an opinion or a "fact"?

a lot easier to clean up on land compared to sea

 

[Puffnstuff]

is that an opinion or a "fact"?

Have you seen the difference in damage? A land spill is confined to a smaller area making clean up easier, although both are ecological disasters. I had to write a research paper several years ago on the subject and when I began I was opposed to pipelines. When my research was complete I was convinced that they were the lesser evil compared to oil tankers. Pipeline operators and their contractors should be held accountable when oil spills are a result of negligence.

 

[dank69]

Have you seen the difference in damage? A land spill is confined to a smaller area making clean up easier, although both are ecological disasters. I had to write a research paper several years ago on the subject and when I began I was opposed to pipelines. When my research was complete I was convinced that they were the lesser evil compared to oil tankers. Pipeline operators and their contractors should be held accountable when oil spills are a result of negligence.

Yeah but are we all factoring in how much of the oil that microbes digest in the ocean?

 

[Ichinisan]

(Guess this is old news)

 

[randay]

Have you seen the difference in damage? A land spill is confined to a smaller area making clean up easier, although both are ecological disasters. I had to write a research paper several years ago on the subject and when I began I was opposed to pipelines. When my research was complete I was convinced that they were the lesser evil compared to oil tankers. Pipeline operators and their contractors should be held accountable when oil spills are a result of negligence.

Oh, you've published a research paper on oil spills? I would love to see it.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I'm not sure why you guys are debating oil spills being worse on land or the ocean. For one thing I'm pretty sure many of you are thinking of stuff like the BP disaster in the Gulf, which was orders of magnitude larger spill than this one. Spills in either place are not good, there's no sense arguing one is better than the other as there's a litany of factors that play a role.

 

[ivwshane]

(Guess this is old news)

Yeah it happened on October 31st, that was like a month ago, right?

Keystone pipeline spills more than 350,000 gallons of oil in North Dakota

The Keystone pipeline has spilled hundreds of thousands of gallons of crude oil into North Dakota this week, The New York Times reports.The pipeline has leaked roughly 383,000 gallons of …

thehill.com

The Keystone pipeline has spilled hundreds of thousands of gallons of crude oil into North Dakota this week, The New York Times reports.

The pipeline has leaked roughly 383,000 gallons of crude oil, impacting an estimated half-acre of wetland, according to state environmental regulators.

 

[Ichinisan]

Yeah it happened on October 31st, that was like a month ago, right?

I was referring to the original quote I edited out of my post.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Why even have this discussion? It is proven multiple times over that pipeline is hands down the safest mode of transportation for O&G. Period. The only thing you have to go on is stuff like building on tribal lands, which IMHO is stupid.... but hey, people are entitled to their opinions. The whole "sacred land" argument makes me cackle at the absurdity of "land" being "sacred".

Here's a map of all those EVIL pipelines that you have probably lived near or around at some point in your life.

 

[outriding]

Now just remember. This is Canada’s oil. Originally the pipeline was going to run all the way to the east coast of Canada (energy East). But it cancelled due to concerns of leaking and etc...

So instead it was ran through the USA. And now we get to deal with the aftermath of it leaking

Good job supporters of the pipeline

 

[Fenixgoon]

Why even have this discussion? It is proven multiple times over that pipeline is hands down the safest mode of transportation for O&G. Period. The only thing you have to go on is stuff like building on tribal lands, which IMHO is stupid.... but hey, people are entitled to their opinions. The whole "sacred land" argument makes me cackle at the absurdity of "land" being "sacred".

Here's a map of all those EVIL pipelines that you have probably lived near or around at some point in your life.

we have sacred land, we just don't call it that. we have federally protected reservations; national historic sites; wildlife refuges; and so on. "sacred land" is only semantically different, but in terms of historic, natural, or in this case - religious/cultural - significance, it is just as meaningful.

 

[IronWing]

Viewing land as not sacred is how we get trashed land.

 

[theeedude]

Oh look, another Republican toxic waste dump state. It's really going to hurt my feels as I fly over.

 

[Ichinisan]

... The only thing you have to go on is stuff like building on tribal lands, which IMHO is stupid....
...

Yup. The roads and railways were built on the same land -- and using those creates greater risk.

 

[Ichinisan]

Now just remember. This is Canada’s oil. Originally the pipeline was going to run all the way to the east coast of Canada (energy East). But it cancelled due to concerns of leaking and etc...

So instead it was ran through the USA. And now we get to deal with the aftermath of it leaking

Good job supporters of the pipeline

Why is it so much worse that it leaks in USA than Canada?

 

[outriding]

Why is it so much worse that it leaks in USA than Canada?

It does not matter where the leaks are..


It is just that the Canadian people / government did not think it was worth the potential environmental impact... but we thought it was acceptable.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Why even have this discussion? It is proven multiple times over that pipeline is hands down the safest mode of transportation for O&G. Period. The only thing you have to go on is stuff like building on tribal lands, which IMHO is stupid.... but hey, people are entitled to their opinions. The whole "sacred land" argument makes me cackle at the absurdity of "land" being "sacred".

Here's a map of all those EVIL pipelines that you have probably lived near or around at some point in your life.

Sacred: "regarded with great respect and reverence by a particular religion, group, or individual." I think that pretty much sums up how many feel about the land they live on.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

"The 2017 spill was probably rooted in a crack caused by a vehicle during Keystone’s construction, the National Transportation Safety Board found."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/10/31/keystone-pipeline-leaks-gallons-oil-second-big-spill-two-years/

"The 2017 spill was probably rooted in a crack caused by a vehicle during Keystone’s construction, the National Transportation Safety Board found. The crack likely grew over time, the board concluded. "

"probably" ? What and whose vehicle? I'll give it to you allisolm it was "probably rooted in a crack caused by a vehicle"

 

[allisolm]

"The 2017 spill was probably rooted in a crack caused by a vehicle during Keystone’s construction, the National Transportation Safety Board found. The crack likely grew over time, the board concluded. "

"probably" ? What and whose vehicle? I'll give it to you allisolm it was "probably rooted in a crack caused by a vehicle"

Exactly the way I thought you'd reply.

 

[outriding]

"The 2017 spill was probably rooted in a crack caused by a vehicle during Keystone’s construction, the National Transportation Safety Board found. The crack likely grew over time, the board concluded. "


"probably" ? What and whose vehicle? I'll give it to you allisolm it was "probably rooted in a crack caused by a vehicle"

So we should ban vehicles

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Exactly the way I thought you'd reply.

You were right.

 

[randay]

The Keystone Oil Spill No One's Talking About Will Be Nearly Impossible to Clean Up

The pipeline spilled half an Olympic-sized swimming pool's worth of particularly dirty oil into North Dakota's wetlands.

www.vice.com

heres some actual facts on the spill and clean up. just strip out all the adjectives that describe dakota and you have a pretty good article about the spill.