Kamala vs the Orange Felon - Presidential Race 2024 - Polls, News, Etc...

[K1052]

This should be stapled to the forehead of every voter who says they're voting Trump or not voting because of the Israeli war on Gaza.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848321622534471989

 

[Indus]

Well, in fact, you are correct.

Association of German National Jews - Wikipedia

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The Jews Who Fought for Nazi Germany

Traitors or survivors, cowards or brave men—fools or wise heeders of Jewish parables on the sanctity of each individual life?

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Doesn't help that Kam has to actually explain policies while Trump is 4th grade level with his answers:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848402614289109400

 

[Indus]

This maybe interesting:

 

[Muse]

If you ever wanted to know how things got this fucked up.. just go back to the creation of fox news by wealthy people and it has spiraled from there into half the country living in a fictional reality!

I don't subscribe to anything that would get me fox news. My weekday news is ABC, and they appear to like Kamala and dislike Donald, which suits me fine. There seems to be no way of avoiding some exposure (filtered!!!) to fox news, and what I see is usually really really annoying.

 

[Muse]

Trump famously loves props.

It's because, underneath it all he's a creep. A swath of American flags behind him any time possible. Been going on for months. Noticed Kamala's been having some of that the last week or so, which isn't stupid considering what Donald does at every opportunity.

 

[ondma]

I mean this is basically how Biden won Arizona so yeah they do actually exist as an electoral force. If they didn't Harris would not be trying to court them so extensively.

Maybe, but the the political environment has changed. In 2020, Biden had no presidential baggage, since of course, he was not in office. Trump OTOH, had the baggage of a horribly mismanaged Covid pandemic. This alone, IMO, was enough to sway a significant number of on the fence voters. Now it is the other way around. Trump has somehow convinced a significant number of people that he will magically take us back to the times of low prices, more disposable income, low crime, and world peace. Kamala, OTOH, is burdened with the (real or imagined) problems of inflation, immigration, crime, and simultaneous military conflicts in Israel and the Ukraine. (Yes, I know we are not militarily directly involved, but both conflicts are draining our military and economic resources, and could easily erupt into much wider conflict.)

With the effectiveness of attack ads and bashing on social media, it seems to me it is almost better to be the party out of office in a presidential election now, in contrast to previously, when it was an advantage to be the party in office.

 

[Muse]

Yeah but unfortunately it doesn't determine votes.

Ya know, the usual excuses like "I'm voting for policy, not character" etc.

Only time I've seen that is in an email from a family in-law about 2 weeks ago, but he stated it as "policy not personality." It was a mysterious email, hinting at endorsing Trump. I responded cc-ing everybody saying that if he thought I'd vote for Trump he "must be delusional or dreaming." He needed to be countered. He listens to talk radio a bunch, at least did when I visited them some 10 or so years ago. I guess that all tends to be right wing.

I continued in my email, "personality >>> policy" when it comes to POTUS.

Only my sister pitched in, leaning heavily for Kamala and worrying intensely about the fate of women in America. Everyone else either silent or vaguely wishing people well ...

 

[ondma]

Only time I've seen that is in an email from a family in-law about 2 weeks ago, but he stated it as "policy not personality." It was a mysterious email, hinting at endorsing Trump. I responded cc-ing everybody saying that if he thought I'd vote for Trump he must be "delusional or dreaming." He needed to be countered. He listens to talk radio a bunch, at least did when I visited them some 10 or so years ago. I guess that all tends to be right wing.

I said "personality >>> policy" when it comes to POTUS.

I haven't heard it personally from family, but I have heard it from several prominent Rep figures on talk shows and interviews. Unfortunately, I cant remember a lot of them, but I am pretty sure Chris Sununu of New Hampshire stated this. I also think Nicky Haley, after bashing Trump when campaigning against him, said she will not vote for Harris. Of course, then you have Mitch McConnell and McCarthy who both attacked Trump after Jan 6, but who now will not stand up against him.

 

[Muse]

There is a slice of the R electorate who really really dislikes him and would consider a vote for Harris instead. Fortunately Tump has been intent on giving those people no reason to reconsider how they feel about him. AFAIK this group is heavily female.

The women and young may save us.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=put+a+woman+in+charge+

 

[K1052]

In 2020, Biden had no presidential baggage, since of course, he was not in office.

Except for being Obama's VP for eight years?

Trump OTOH, had the baggage of a horribly mismanaged Covid pandemic. This alone, IMO, was enough to sway a significant number of on the fence voters.

The issue of Trump not only mismanaging the actual pandemic but mismanaging the politics of it was indeed a problem. Telling everybody you did a great job when they don't think so somehow didn't work out.

Now it is the other way around. Trump has somehow convinced a significant number of people that he will magically take us back to the times of low prices, more disposable income, low crime, and world peace.

Rose colored rear view mirrors are a thing than happens to be sure. People often tend to remember the past more favorably than it was and often massively inaccurately. My own dad who lived through the 60s (Vietnam and associated protests, political bombings huge race riots, etc) told me 2020 was worse when that is just objectively not true.

Kamala, OTOH, is burdened with the (real or imagined) problems of inflation, immigration, crime, and simultaneous military conflicts in Israel and the Ukraine. (Yes, I know we are not militarily directly involved, but both conflicts are draining our military and economic resources, and could easily erupt into much wider conflict.)

Voters seem to hold her less responsible for this. Ds/Indies especially more than happy about the swap and it shows in the surveys. Expenditures on Ukraine and Israel are pretty trivial in terms of the overall US budget and support for continuing it is relatively strong amongst the electorate.

With the effectiveness of attack ads and bashing on social media, it seems to me it is almost better to be the party out of office in a presidential election now, in contrast to previously, when it was an advantage to be the party in office.

A wave of anti-incumbency sentiment has swept western democracies with varied results. Some places its pushed the right out of power, some places the center/left. Seems like a post-pandemic hangover with people mostly grumpy about the econ situation. Though the grumpiness here is a lot less than abroad because we have done way better. It still exists but if it was as bad then the Ds would not have any chance this year.

 

[Zorba]

Need a hell of a lot more of folks like that.


I think also just pointing out that his own VP, Secretary of Defense, National Security advisors, prior Chief of Staffs, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, among others not endorsing him, and furthermore denouncing him it’s important for those people who are swingy. If that doesn’t set off alarm bells and stick, then nothing will. That goes right to the heart of fitness and sound mind to be at the helm of the most powerful economy and military in the world.
(Let alone all the other points on tariffs, inflation, climate, abortion, J6/lying about nearly everything, etc.)

All those people need to go on video against him.

 

[Zorba]

If a campaign roughly spends a billion and someone like Musk enters the late stage with a 100 million dollar donation + the Twitter factor ... how are you gonna combat that?

Should be with laws, too bad the USSC is a political organization for the ultra rich.

 

[Zorba]

Probably, but it is a close race between the EC and the for life appointments to the Supreme Court.

I agree, the lack of terms on judges is a big issue. But without the EC we'd probably have a 7-2 liberal court right now.

To be far, the EC could be massively repaired if we'd expand the HOR to an appropriate level. This should be a top priority of Democrats if they ever get a trifecta again, but I've never heard them talk about it.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I agree, the lack of terms on judges is a big issue. But without the EC we'd probably have a 7-2 liberal court right now.

To be far, the EC could be massively repaired if we'd expand the HOR to an appropriate level. This should be a top priority of Democrats if they ever get a trifecta again, but I've never heard them talk about it.

You spelled McConnell wrong.

 

[ondma]

Except for being Obama's VP for eight years?



The issue of Trump not only mismanaging the actual pandemic but mismanaging the politics of it was indeed a problem. Telling everybody you did a great job when they don't think so somehow didn't work out.



Rose colored rear view mirrors are a thing than happens to be sure. People often tend to remember the past more favorably than it was and often massively inaccurately. My own dad who lived through the 60s (Vietnam and associated protests, political bombings huge race riots, etc) told me 2020 was worse when that is just objectively not true.



Voters seem to hold her less responsible for this. Ds/Indies especially more than happy about the swap and it shows in the surveys. Expenditures on Ukraine and Israel are pretty trivial in terms of the overall US budget and support for continuing it is relatively strong amongst the electorate.




A wave of anti-incumbency sentiment has swept western democracies with varied results. Some places its pushed the right out of power, some places the center/left. Seems like a post-pandemic hangover with people mostly grumpy about the econ situation. Though the grumpiness here is a lot less than abroad because we have done way better. It still exists but if it was as bad then the Ds would not have any chance this year.

True about Biden being VP, but TBH, I think things were better under Obama than they were under the last 4 years of Biden. Obama left with a rescued economy from the Rep crisis, low inflation, less problems with immigration, and no major world conflicts. Very little actually to attack Biden on from Obama's record compared to the current situation.

 

[ondma]

All those people need to go on video against him.

I really dont think it would sway many voters. They would just attribute to "unhappy ex employees". Everybody knows who Trump is, the Dems just need to give a platform that makes moderates/independents want to vote for them.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I'll always maintain that if Joe had run in '16, the Donny Mess would never have happened.

'It's her time' failed us all.

 

[Pens1566]

I'll always maintain that if Joe had run in '16, the Donny Mess would never have happened.

'It's her time' failed us all.

Counter point:
If Bernie (and his followers) hadn't been such whiny cunts, we'd have had the most qualified president in modern history.

 

[nickqt]

Counter point:
If Bernie (and his followers) hadn't been such whiny cunts, we'd have had the most qualified president in modern history.

Sanders fully endorsed Clinton.

The blame rests squarely on dumb people who think they're clever, and fascists.

 

[nakedfrog]

Sanders fully endorsed Clinton.

The blame rests squarely on dumb people who think they're clever, and fascists.

The media giving him gobs of free coverage, the Comey letter, I don't think it's worth trying to pin it on a single simple cause.

 

[K1052]

I agree, the lack of terms on judges is a big issue. But without the EC we'd probably have a 7-2 liberal court right now.

To be far, the EC could be massively repaired if we'd expand the HOR to an appropriate level. This should be a top priority of Democrats if they ever get a trifecta again, but I've never heard them talk about it.

House enlargement, while totally worthwhile, would not impact EC outcomes. It should be done away with entirely.

 

[manly]

True about Biden being VP, but TBH, I think things were better under Obama than they were under the last 4 years of Biden. Obama left with a rescued economy from the Rep crisis, low inflation, less problems with immigration, and no major world conflicts. Very little actually to attack Biden on from Obama's record compared to the current situation.

After the Great Recession, the economy took quite a long time to heal. Those years were hardly full of steak and lobster dinners, but IMHO Dems did set the table for a solid economy after Obama's terms ended.

Obama infamously was called the Deporter in Chief, so I'm not sure how you can say there were "less problems with immigration." The problem now is what it's been over multiple presidencies, although yes it's a little more severe.

Finally, in 2017 WE were still mired in AF's forever war and Russia had already stolen Crimea back in 2014.

No disrespect intended, but you often roll out these Faux News talking points that don't really hold up under scrutiny (i.e. you said military aid to UA and Israel are draining us. Categorically false).

 

[nickqt]

The media giving him gobs of free coverage, the Comey letter, I don't think it's worth trying to pin it on a single simple cause.

I put the blame exactly where it lies.

Dumb people who think they're clever (anyone who voted third party or stayed home because they're pure of heart), and fascists who affirmatively voted for the self-described Strongman.

Ain't no one else to blame. Those two groups are 100% the cause of Trump winning in 2016.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I say again, if Joe had run, Donny might (probably would?) not have been the (R) candidate at all.

Donny was a reaction to her ... the response of the many millions that outright despised her with every fiber of their being.

 

[Muse]

I put the blame exactly where it lies.

Dumb people who think they're clever (anyone who voted third party or stayed home because they're pure of heart), and fascists who affirmatively voted for the self-described Strongman.

Ain't no one else to blame. Those two groups are 100% the cause of Trump winning in 2016.

At this point (come Nov. 5, 2024) any US citizen eligible to vote who has not taken advantage of the opportunity to vote for the first female president of the USA is in my view an ignoramus.