Just bought a Decent Vaporizer, E-Juice now

[Mixolydian]

Picked this up today.

 

[boomhower]

Picked this up today.

I've had one for a while now, you'll love it.

A subtank is going to be my next purchase. I'm getting a little burned out rebuilding and want to go pack to coils for a while. Been back on my Nautilus for a week or so and don't miss messing with Lemo's every couple of days. Never been a huge Kanger fan but looks like they have a winner here.

 

[sze5003]

I've had one for a while now, you'll love it.

A subtank is going to be my next purchase. I'm getting a little burned out rebuilding and want to go pack to coils for a while. Been back on my Nautilus for a week or so and don't miss messing with Lemo's every couple of days. Never been a huge Kanger fan but looks like they have a winner here.

I'm going to get myself a kanger subtank mini even though I have an Atlantis. The kanger coil can be rewicked easier than the Atlantis and since it comes with an RBA deck I can quickly make a coil and use it with the tank.

 

[DigDog]

i got myself a new Smok X-Pro m22

and i left it at home.
12 hour shift at work with no vaporizer. i'm going bonkers. MESAA WANTA JUUUICE.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Any reason why so many people are doing sub-ohm builds? I see a lot of people on here doing it and at first I thought it was because people were using mech mods (which would make sense to get enough power to handle large drippers), but I see alot of people doing it with VV/VW mods too.

I find with such few wraps to keep ohms down, I end up with a coil with way too few wraps. Few wraps = less ideal heating of vapor = faster to burn your juice before you get the volume of vapor that you want to match your airflow.

I like a good warm vape on my dripper, with decent production (not even close to a cloudchaser, I do it for flavor, and was not a smoker), so I go for keeping surface area maximized. I have a coil with a good 13/14 wraps that gives me an ideal amount of vapor flavor. This comes to around 1.4Ohms, but I don't really care because I have a VV/VW. Since I'm not limited to the current charge and voltage of my battery, it works out to around 6.2V on my iPV3. Doesn't really matter.

Guess I'm just curious as to what I might be missing in other people doing such few wraps or intentionally aiming for low ohms when using VV/VWs.

 

[sze5003]

Any reason why so many people are doing sub-ohm builds? I see a lot of people on here doing it and at first I thought it was because people were using mech mods (which would make sense to get enough power to handle large drippers), but I see alot of people doing it with VV/VW mods too.

I find with such few wraps to keep ohms down, I end up with a coil with way too few wraps. Few wraps = less ideal heating of vapor = faster to burn your juice before you get the volume of vapor that you want to match your airflow.

I like a good warm vape on my dripper, with decent production (not even close to a cloudchaser, I do it for flavor, and was not a smoker), so I go for keeping surface area maximized. I have a coil with a good 13/14 wraps that gives me an ideal amount of vapor flavor. This comes to around 1.4Ohms, but I don't really care because I have a VV/VW. Since I'm not limited to the current charge and voltage of my battery, it works out to around 6.2V on my iPV3. Doesn't really matter.

Guess I'm just curious as to what I might be missing in other people doing such few wraps or intentionally aiming for low ohms when using VV/VWs.

Its mostly for vapor production and also flavor. The coils with say 7 wraps burns hot and if you wick it right you get a lot of vapor. I like that because I also get a stronger hit too. With regular ohm coils I used to use 12mg nicotine but with sub ohm I have gone down to 3, and there are times I can even vape 0mg too.

I was a smoker so I enjoy the vapor production, but its still preference a lot of times.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Its mostly for vapor production and also flavor. The coils with say 7 wraps burns hot and if you wick it right you get a lot of vapor. I like that because I also get a stronger hit too. With regular ohm coils I used to use 12mg nicotine but with sub ohm I have gone down to 3, and there are times I can even vape 0mg too.

I was a smoker so I enjoy the vapor production, but its still preference a lot of times.

I suppose that's the math I'm trying to work out. With VV/VWs, alot of the thinking of less Ohms = more power no longer applies.

The key to large amounts of vapor is surface area.

Imagine if you will a supercharged hot plate that we have sitting on a desk. This hot plate can go from 0 to say 600 degrees within one second. You place a drop of liquid on the hot plate 1mm in diameter. That thing sizzles off almost instantly with almost no vapor. Now what happens if you hover a steady stream of liquid 1mm in diameter over that hotplate? You get a steady, small amount of vapor.

Expand that now, and say instead of only giving us a 1mm in diameter drop of liquid we go to 10mm of liquid. Well now we see way more vapor. Why? Because surface area increased. Now if we have a steady stream of liquid delivering enough liquid to cover 10mm instead of 1mm we have much more vapor production.

All things being the same, the larger the surface area, the more liquid is being vaporized.

Still talking about generic liquid (let's just consider water), lets look at water on a stove. Water boils at roughly 212F. If the electric coil on your stove says that hi is 500 degrees, you are not boiling your water at 500 degrees, because the heat is being carried away due mostly to the enthalpy of vaporization (the heat energy it takes to change from liquid to gas)

We can alter the temps slightly after this point with more heat, causing the rising vapor to be further excited by the heat given off of the coil, but the coil is performing its goal once it provides enough heat energy to provide the needed energy for vaporization. As long as it can maintain this heat energy, the process continues until we run out of juice or shut it off.

The process above is heat flux (or how much energy can be transferred to a given area). More heatflux gives us a hotter vape and a faster vaporization. This is mostly what sub-ohmers are going for, since as long as our wick can keep up, we can produce more vapor by introducing a higher heatflux to vaporize faster.

The above factor was important when mech mods were predominant, but as I mentioned in the previous post, with VV/VWs that have power to spare, this is far less important. Within quite a large range of user's wattages, we can have our cake, and eat it too. We can have *more* heat flux, and *more* surface area, instead of choosing one over the other, as long as our wick can keep up.

If one likes a really hot vape with 1000 MJ/K heat flux, you can choose to do it with either 4 wraps of 28 gauge wire to build a .5 Ohm coil at 28.5 Watts, OR you could build a 14 wrap 28 gauge wire at 1.5 Ohms at 85 watts. Given the two, and assuming a very large supply of e-Juice and a wick that can keep up, which is going to produce more vapor? The 1.5 Ohm coil of course, because not only do we have equal amount of heat *transfer* (1000MJ/K), but we also have over 3 times the surface area (for instance 3mm vs 1mm).

As long as you have the wattage to push to it, for a given gauge of wire and a given target of heat flux, a higher Ohm coil with more wattage would be superior to a lower Ohm coil with less wattage. That is of course also assuming your device can provide the juice to your coil in high enough volume.

If you are at a specific wattage, but are not getting a personally adequate amount of heat flux (for your vape temperature), but you have room for a larger coil, then it's time to get a higher wattage Mod

That's my far longer explanation to my curiosity mentioned above.

 

[sze5003]

Right now I'm using a mech mod because I can't find a good box mod that I'm comfortable paying for. I'm also using the Atlantis but I have an RDA I often use at home too. Im not a good coil wrapper so I'm happy if I can get a decent one with 8 wraps done. They always come out somewhat crooked too. I use the Atlantis more than my RDA just because its convenient.

I'll have to try a 13 or 14 wrap coil on the RDA with my 24g wire. I just don't have an ohm reader which is why I'd also like a box mod at some point.

The eleaf istick 50w looks nice and cheap but it has a built in battery and I'm always worried that with vv/wv mods the circuitry can get messed up then you are kind of stuck with it.

 

[Mixolydian]

Made my first attempt at coil building yesterday. I suck. :\

 

[sze5003]

Made my first attempt at coil building yesterday. I suck. :\

Yup that will happen. I still can't make a perfect coil. Using a drill bit I always end up starting wrong, twisting the wire on the initial roll loose or crooked, etc. Pete brusardo mentioned a coil master kit in one of his reviews that comes with posts for 2, 2.5, and 3mm widths. Its pretty neat because you put the post on, screw on a cap then feed the wire though a hole and start twisting the other end cap.

Its pricey and it makes a perfect coil but I figure by using the manual method I'll just eventually get better.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Right now I'm using a mech mod because I can't find a good box mod that I'm comfortable paying for. I'm also using the Atlantis but I have an RDA I often use at home too. Im not a good coil wrapper so I'm happy if I can get a decent one with 8 wraps done. They always come out somewhat crooked too. I use the Atlantis more than my RDA just because its convenient.

I'll have to try a 13 or 14 wrap coil on the RDA with my 24g wire. I just don't have an ohm reader which is why I'd also like a box mod at some point.

That makes a ton of sense then!

If you're running 24 gauge wire, on a mech mod, it's no wonder you felt you needed to go sub-ohm

Running a mech mod puts you back in the original category where low ohms would be very important. At 7 wraps at 24 gauge, you're running about .4 Ohms, which works to about 32-35 Watts of power depending on the charge of your battery. That's a heatflux also around 400 MJ/K, which is considered a "hot" vape. If you like your vape that warm, you've pretty much done all you can do. If you do 12-13 wraps you'll only hit about 17 watts and your vape will be downright cold at 100 MJ/K and your heat capacity goes stupid high (you have to apply a lot of energy to get the coil hot, then it stays hot for quite some time after releasing the button). Wouldn't recommend it.

A 24 gauge wrap like you have is probably the best you're going to get on a mech mod if you like that warm of a vape

 

[BUTCH1]

Just ordered one of these today, not too bad @ $37.50 shipped, 2600Mah battery so I won't be running out of juice!

 

[rudeguy]

Just picked up an MVP3.0. Needed something sub ohm for the Atlantis. I'm liking it, just need to get used to the size.

 

[Mixolydian]

Thread should be re titled "YAVT: OMG I love vaping!"

 

[MongGrel]

Thread should be re titled "YAVT: OMG I love vaping!"

:biggrin:

 

[Mixolydian]

:biggrin:

Seriously.

 

[Nograts]

I never got into the vaping scene. If you're vaping, why not just quit outright? I'm coming up on day 9 and feeling great.

I tried vaping for like a week and never got into it. I noticed that I was smoking more than if I were just smoking regular cigarettes. I unno, just me :\

 

[Mixolydian]

I never got into the vaping scene. If you're vaping, why not just quit outright? I'm coming up on day 9 and feeling great.

I tried vaping for like a week and never got into it. I noticed that I was smoking more than if I were just smoking regular cigarettes. I unno, just me :\

Yeah, you're doing it wrong.

 

[rudeguy]

I never got into the vaping scene. If you're vaping, why not just quit outright? I'm coming up on day 9 and feeling great.

I tried vaping for like a week and never got into it. I noticed that I was smoking more than if I were just smoking regular cigarettes. I unno, just me :\

Because not all of us are fucktards like you?

 

[Nograts]

Because not all of us are fucktards like you?

So... did you become hateful after you were touched as a child or were you just born that way?

 

[rudeguy]

So... did you become hateful after you were touched as a child or were you just born that way?

It's my instinctual reaction to ignorance.

 

[Nograts]

It's my instinctual reaction to ignorance.

Hrmm...being you it must always be an activated response :hmm:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I never got into the vaping scene. If you're vaping, why not just quit outright? I'm coming up on day 9 and feeling great.

I tried vaping for like a week and never got into it. I noticed that I was smoking more than if I were just smoking regular cigarettes. I unno, just me :\

Coming up on 6 months of being cig free. Tried vaping as well and it just didn't do it for me.

I would never preach to others though, smokers or vapors. Holier than thou former smokers always come off as douchebags.

 

[Nograts]

Coming up on 6 months of being cig free. Tried vaping as well and it just didn't do it for me.

I would never preach to others though, smokers or vapors. Holier than thou former smokers always come off as douchebags.

Wasn't my intent, just curious why others don't either give it up or just full on smoke? I never got the burn with vape that I did with cigs, so I was sucking down twice as much garbage.

EDIT: Also congrats! I'm right behind ya. My lungs aren't 100% recovered obviously but at 6 months are you breathing 'tar' free so to speak? Big difference?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Wasn't my intent, just curious why others don't either give it up or just full on smoke? I never got the burn with vape that I did with cigs, so I was sucking down twice as much garbage.

To each, his own. If people want to vape instead of smoke cigs, good on 'em. It may or may not be much healthier but at least it's an alternative to a known danger.

EDIT: Also congrats! I'm right behind ya. My lungs aren't 100% recovered obviously but at 6 months are you breathing 'tar' free so to speak? Big difference?

I honestly don't feel a massive difference but I do feel better. I'm not hacking up loogies anymore but there is still the occasional coughing fit. I have been told that I'm looking much healthier but I'm not sure how much of that is just encouragement.

Can't see myself going back to cigs, particularly after watching my next-door neighbor's wife die a nasty death from lung cancer just days before Christmas. She smoked until the day she died. So sad.

Hopefully others quit as well. If not, after 30+ years of smoking I completely understand the allure. It is a hard habit to break.