Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Lol...comparing the loss of 5 aircraft and McCain's marital problems to potential crimes committed by Clinton and Spitzer...and this is your proof that that you're not partisan? And he's the despicable one?
It appears that the family values issue is a major hot button for you. Question: Is it that you place family values in such esteem that you find McCain's marital problems despicable? Or perhaps you hold him and other Republicans to such high standards on this issue that not one can meet your little litmus test for hypocrisy? Then again, are you advocating that only perfect people can stand for family values? I must be missing something here...please shed some light on this.
Actually, family values isn't a major issue for me and I don't usually care about them unless the candidate is touting them (which is primarily a (R) trait). What is a major issue for me is the hypocrisy in doing so.
So....let me get this straight...candidates that advocate "family values" are hypocrites if they don't meet your standard of purity...right? If this is the case...is there anybody currently alive (remember Sister Theresa passed away a few years ago) that you would not consider to be a hypocrite if they advocated "family values"?
I don't fault McCain for divorcing his first wife. I do fault him for seemingly displaying no consideration for her skirt chasing all over the country and marrying his new wife less than 2 months after the first ended (pretty sure that was because he had already met her and gotten "familiar" with her). I also do fault him for denying gays the right to have the chance to make the same mistake that he did.
Hmmm....you "fault him for denying gays the right to have the chance to make the same mistake that he did"...what was that pray tell? Nevermind...I don't think I want to know.
I also didn't/don't exonerate Clinton or Spitzer for their affairs. I have clearly stated that they are wrong based on my own values but also none of my business.
I also am more than willing to admit that I have my own little hypocritical tendencies that I display and they eat at me also. I continually try to be objective and sometimes fall way short. Unfortunately, there are people like you that don't notice or try to deny that I have admitted to my shortcomings.
RightIsWrong...I noticed your admission and chose not to rub your nose in it. You're trying to be honest with yourself and I sincerely respect you for that.
And yet you (collective noun) are unable to share your own out of some insecure feeling of weakness. I'll let you in on a little secret....it takes a stronger person to admit their faults than it does to hide them. Maybe you should try it some time. After all, I'm sure that I can find plenty of instances of your partisanship and/or hypocrisy also if I dug around. But let's just continue down the path of trying to spotlight mine (which are hiding in plain sight) instead of admitting to your own.
Remember...you're the one who claimed to be not partisan and I called you on it...I made no such claim. I guess I'm not in the mood to share much today except to say that I think you've unfairly judged McCain regarding his POW experiences. Personally...I don't like him for his positions on several issues...but I do respect him for his honorable actions and integrity during very trying times. Surely you can find better reasons to not like the man.
I'll respond in order:
1. They don't have to meet my "standard of purity" but the one that they are proclaiming to hold others to.
2. The "mistake" that he made was marrying someone that he wasn't truly in love with. He has stated on the record that he will continue to advocate against allowing gays to have that right of choosing to marry someone that they love and having it possibly not work out.
3. Thanks. I appreciate it.
4. Each post that I have put into this thread is free of criticizing McCain for anything that he did during his POW days with the exception of offering to talk in exchange for medical treatment (which I have stated that I would have done also under the circumstances). My point from the beginning is that his time there does not exclude him from scrutiny over HOW he ended up there (being shot down). I honestly respect him for surviving what he did while there and I am in awe of how he and others were able to keep up the strength, courage and hope to continue. That respect for him however does not mean that he gets a free ride.
The reasons that I don't like him have only come in recent years (2-3 to be exact). I proudly supported him in 2000 and would have voted for him over Gore had he been the nominee. He still held that level of respect from me until it became evident that personal goals were overtaking personal integrity. He embraced Bush, Rove, Cheney and the rest of those that he fought hard against when he felt they were on the wrong side of an issue. The John McCain that most independents and democrats respected and admired no longer exists and if he does, he has been pushed so far into a corner that he will never find his way out again.
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