Jewish Tunnels

[mikeymikec]

nvm

 

[pmv]

Dammit, someone stole my pun. Been waiting for _years_ for a chance to use the "rabbi hole" line!

 

[pmv]

They fell down a rabbi hole.

Grrr.

 

[RnR_au]

Article doesn't answer my biggest question, what is the damn tunnel for?

Infighting inside the Jewish group. Nothing about rebuilding Solomon's Temple under NYC to cause the end of days... unfortunately. Hmm... could be a juicy new plot for a new Indiana Jones movie...

Twitter Explodes With Antisemitic Misinfo After Secret Tunnel Found Under NYC Synagogue

News of secret tunnels beneath a Chabad in Crown Heights, Brooklyn has led to antisemitic conspiracy theories about trafficking and "Jewish tunnels."

www.rollingstone.com

 

[sdifox]

The tunnel is probably part of the Jewish Space Laser ground based shield generator.

 

[zinfamous]

I think they store all the foreskins down there.

 

[IronWing]

I think they store all the foreskins down there.

Rub the walls and it turns into an aircraft hangar.

 

[dank69]

Infighting inside the Jewish group. Nothing about rebuilding Solomon's Temple under NYC to cause the end of days... unfortunately. Hmm... could be a juicy new plot for a new Indiana Jones movie...

Twitter Explodes With Antisemitic Misinfo After Secret Tunnel Found Under NYC Synagogue

News of secret tunnels beneath a Chabad in Crown Heights, Brooklyn has led to antisemitic conspiracy theories about trafficking and "Jewish tunnels."

www.rollingstone.com

I guess the protestors forgot the first rule of tunnel club.

Seriously though, the fact that they were out protesting the removal of their illegal tunnel just screams that these yutes have a dangerous disconnect from reality. It's like bank robbers coming out to protest when their tunnel to the vault is getting filled back in. You don't sign a ransom letter...

Also, what was so important about access to the building? Nobody tunnels underground to access an unauthorized area just to play dreidel.

 

[Pens1566]

Anyone do a "tunnel buddies" joke yet?

 

[Jaskalas]

Yeah, still curious as to why.
To smuggle illegal goods?
To prep for the end of days?
Human trafficking?

They had a reason and it may be innocent, or far from it.

 

[brycejones]

I guess they were finally teaching the boys a useful skill so they could work as tunnel diggers in NY.

 

[fskimospy]

I guess the protestors forgot the first rule of tunnel club.

Seriously though, the fact that they were out protesting the removal of their illegal tunnel just screams that these yutes have a dangerous disconnect from reality. It's like bank robbers coming out to protest when their tunnel to the vault is getting filled back in. You don't sign a ransom letter...

Also, what was so important about access to the building? Nobody tunnels underground to access an unauthorized area just to play dreidel.

The ultra orthodox are well accustomed to being above the law in NYC so really they were probably surprised they weren't allowed to get away with this.

 

[dank69]

Yeah, still curious as to why.
To smuggle illegal goods?
To prep for the end of days?
Human trafficking?

They had a reason and it may be innocent, or far from it.

With the limited info we have, none of those make sense to me, except prepping. Why run anything illegal through a building you don't fully control? That seems like it introduces unnecessary risks.

The building must have some attribute(s) highly desired by the tunnel club.

 

[pmv]

I'm sorry, but what exactly is important about tunnels dug next to a synagogue in New York? The article doesn't even explain why they were dug. So what are we supposed to infer?

And wow man, your tone is something else today. See how many fucks, dickwads and assholes you can fit into your next reply. Or maybe you'll get more creative.

Well, for starters, New York has laws about such works, and it appears the tunnel may have been illegal. For another it led to a confrontation with the police and, it seems, angry public disputes between different groups associated with the Synagogue. It also, from what's said in the article, might constitute damaging a historic building.

It's true that the article doesn't explain anything about what the heck it was all about. Sounds as if it relates to some internal dispute among those running the Synagogue, and internal arguments within small groups are often near-incomprehensible to outsiders.

But tunneling in a major city usually requires some sort of permit, so it's a matter of public interest.

Also, the whole story is just odd.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, for starters, New York has laws about such works, and it appears the tunnel may have been illegal. For another it led to a confrontation with the police and, it seems, angry public disputes between different groups associated with the Synagogue. It also, from what's said in the article, might constitute damaging a historic building.

It's true that the article doesn't explain anything about what the heck it was all about. Sounds as if it relates to some internal dispute among those running the Synagogue, and internal arguments within small groups are often near-incomprehensible to outsiders.

But tunneling in a major city usually requires some sort of permit, so it's a matter of public interest.

Also, the whole story is just odd.

It’s hard to overstate just how nuts the ultra orthodox are in NYC and hard to overstate the level of impunity they generally operate with.

For whatever reason they dug the tunnel I’m sure a big part of the reason they didn’t get permits or whatever is they assumed the law would never be enforced against them. I wouldn’t even be surprised if the police get in trouble for this.

It’s a really bad community. Like, seriously bad people.

 

[crashtech]

One of the stories I read claimed the tunnel was dug during lockdown, when religious services were restricted. I don't have the link, though., this is obviously very speculative.

 

[IronWing]

One of the stories I read claimed the tunnel was dug during lockdown, when religious services were restricted. I don't have the link, though., this is obviously very speculative.

They wanted to study the scriptures during lockdown?

The Torah Borah of New York?

 

[fskimospy]

They wanted to study the scriptures during lockdown?

The Torah Borah of New York?

There were limits on mass gatherings early on in 2020 and they wanted to defy them.

In the end they just defied them openly and nobody did anything, as per usual.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Taking cues from Catholic Priests?

Synagogue Secret Tunnel Mattress Prompts Frenzied Speculation​

The removal of what appeared to be a mattress from a tunnel at Chabad-Lubavitch World Headquarters sparked confusion online.


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[crashtech]

They wanted to study the scriptures during lockdown?

The Torah Borah of New York?

It seems at least plausible that devout (or radical, if you prefer) individuals might take it upon themselves to gain access to their holy place from which they were restricted from going. I haven't heard a simpler explanation yet.

 

[Moonbeam]

Perh

It's usually quite good. You'll have to enlighten me about where the sarcasm is this time.

Perhaps I need to check mine. I took the original post as a condemnation of religious fanaticism as an accurate assessment of its dangerousness precisely because the issue it created here was of such unimportance in the greater scheme of thingsy and only incidentally involved Jews, in short having really nothing at all to do with Jews directly but the fanaticism itself that was on display.

I have always seen you as Jewish by lineage and not by strength of religious devotion, a defender of Jewish people, not of the faith itself. I think the word Jewish has always had these two possible implications, at least for me.

So when I read the OP, I saw an example of nutcase religious belief incidentally unrelated to the faith of the people involved, and attached no significance to the OP’s title other than what religion this particular example of nut cases belonged to.

Perhaps given todays atmosphere I was wrong. For me all religions are beliefs that people believe in owing to factors of the time and place and culture they were born into, that your faith or absence of it is circumstantial, all written on the plasticity of our human potential and all of little relevance to truth with a capital t.

My utter contempt for what the Israeli government is doing to the people of Gaza, the fact they have no power over Hamas anymore than the Jews of Israel that also hold their own government in contempt, can stop the carnage, has to do with Zionist ambition and nothing to do with being Jewish. To attach significance to one’s nationality or religion or gene history is all the same insanity to me.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Theory on reason ....


"He characterized its construction as a rogue act of vandalism committed by a group of misguided young men, condemning the "extremists who broke through the wall to the synagogue, vandalizing the sanctuary, in an effort to preserve their unauthorized access."

Those who supported the tunnel, meanwhile, said they were carrying out an "expansion" plan long envisioned by the former head of the Chabad movement, Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson.

Schneerson led the Chabad-Lubavitch for more than four decades before his death in 1994, reinvigorating a Hasidic religious community that had been devastated by the Holocaust.

Supporters of the expansion said the basement synagogue had long been overcrowded, prompting a push to annex additional space that some in the community felt was taking too long. Many of those supporters subscribe to the messianic belief that Schneerson is still alive.

"That's what the rabbi wants, that's what everybody wants," said Zalmy Grossman, a 21-year-old Brooklyn resident. He said the tunnel project began late last year as a way to connect the synagogue with "the whole empty space" behind it."

Secret tunnel in New York synagogue leads to brawl between police and worshippers

A historic Brooklyn synagogue that serves as the center of an influential Hasidic Jewish movement was trashed this week during an unusual community dispute.

abc13.com

Seems like Hacidic Q-anonsense.

 

[fskimospy]

NY Post really bringing the zingers.

 

[Moonbeam]

The remarkable thing about religious faith is how easily what I want becomes not just what I want but God's will.

 

[woolfe9998]

Perh

Perhaps I need to check mine. I took the original post as a condemnation of religious fanaticism as an accurate assessment of its dangerousness precisely because the issue it created here was of such unimportance in the greater scheme of thingsy and only incidentally involved Jews, in short having really nothing at all to do with Jews directly but the fanaticism itself that was on display.

I have always seen you as Jewish by lineage and not by strength of religious devotion, a defender of Jewish people, not of the faith itself. I think the word Jewish has always had these two possible implications, at least for me.

So when I read the OP, I saw an example of nutcase religious belief incidentally unrelated to the faith of the people involved, and attached no significance to the OP’s title other than what religion this particular example of nut cases belonged to.

Perhaps given todays atmosphere I was wrong. For me all religions are beliefs that people believe in owing to factors of the time and place and culture they were born into, that your faith or absence of it is circumstantial, all written on the plasticity of our human potential and all of little relevance to truth with a capital t.

My utter contempt for what the Israeli government is doing to the people of Gaza, the fact they have no power over Hamas anymore than the Jews of Israel that also hold their own government in contempt, can stop the carnage, has to do with Zionist ambition and nothing to do with being Jewish. To attach significance to one’s nationality or religion or gene history is all the same insanity to me.

You should avoid consideration of who you think someone IS when having a debate or discussion with that person. It's an excuse for ignoring the arguments they are making.

With regards to this topic, I have no interest in defending the behavior of religious fundies. They're all pretty much nutballs, to varying degrees. My concern, rather, is more the tone of what I've been seeing on this board since the current Israel/Gaza war started, coupled with the puzzling question of why an incident involving extremists but no violence is of national significance. I can see why it's of some interest locally in NY. What troubles me is my belief that this wouldn't have been a national issue three months ago. Because right now, certain people have an appetite for hearing stories about "Jewish extremism" and inevitably some will link it to what is going on in Israel. Because that is how human brains work, and people on the left are not immune.