What's a sin? Something MAN created to set someone's idea of a moral boundary. Besides, you didn't answer the question. How is SINGING a prayer in a restaurant not a ridiculous act?Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
HE WAS SINGING DAMN IT! HE WAS SINGING! IN PUBLIC!!!!!!! KILL HIM!! STONE HIM! STRING HIM UP!!!!
Ok....so...a guy at a table next to you starts yelling "FVCK! SH!T P!SS!" and you won't be offended? Or maybe he breaks into song of some Eminem lyrics and you aren't offended or think it's ridiculous?
Damn hypocrite.
Unlike you, I can tell the difference between sin and giving praise to the L-rd.
If I got up and sang Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star everyone would think I was nuts and the manager would probably ask me to leave.
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If nobody wants to hear our opinions here they can not read the thread. if you're singing in a restaurant next to me i can't really do much about it. And read what I said about the movie theater, would that be perfectly ok with you? I think you'd laugh your ass off if you saw somebody doing that.Originally posted by: classy
Hmmm.....if he needs to keep his comments to himself why don't you hypocrites do the same. If you can talk about him, why can't he talk about Jesus? Its amazing not once did this cry baby say he forced his religion on him. All he said was he gave thanks out loud. Besides anyway, the fact is and its a fact whenther you choose to believe or not, Jesus will be your judge and your jury when you die. And the funny thing is your sorrowful opinion will not mean a thing then. My suggestion to those who don't believe enjoy this life to its fullest, because ETERNITY waits. Its amazing the decisions you make in 80 or so years in this life if your lucky, will determine the rest of your ETERNITY folks. You know what I also always find funny. Is the complete and utter nonsense that your belief creates God. lol Like if I don't believe then he doesn't exist....hehehe. Its like saying if I don't believe in Twinkies they don't exist
Also one's belief or disbelief has nothing to do with the fact they think this guy is nuts for singing in a restaurant. Did you read the singing part? He was singing. I want to be sure you read that because he was not saying grace he was SINGING. That's what michaeld's problem was with; not saying grace or expressing love for god before eating some food.
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Hmmm.....if he needs to keep his comments to himself why don't you hypocrites do the same. If you can talk about him, why can't he talk about Jesus? Its amazing not once did this cry baby say he forced his religion on him. All he said was he gave thanks out loud. Besides anyway, the fact is and its a fact whenther you choose to believe or not, Jesus will be your judge and your jury when you die. And the funny thing is your sorrowful opinion will not mean a thing then. My suggestion to those who don't believe enjoy this life to its fullest, because ETERNITY waits. Its amazing the decisions you make in 80 or so years in this life if your lucky, will determine the rest of your ETERNITY folks. You know what I also always find funny. Is the complete and utter nonsense that your belief creates God. lol Like if I don't believe then he doesn't exist....hehehe. Its like saying if I don't believe in Twinkies they don't exist
Oh, so you're saying you have proof that God exists?
WOW!
Do tell!!
Hmm.......can you prove he doesn't exist?
I knew it!
Typical response...prove something DOESN'T exist for something you can't prove does!
What's the role of science? To prove why things happen or that things exist or to rule out possibilities.
God was created by man as a concept to answer the unknown. Why do you think we have the Greek/Roman Titans/Gods? Or Native American Gods/Spirits?
The creation of Gods/supernatural beings arose out of ignorance of how the world works (why the sun rises/falls, why does it rain, etc.) Where did we come from? Uhh...must be some omnipotent being that had nothing better to do after having sat all alone for billions of years.
The most important scientific principle is that if one cannot prove something exists or does not exist (is true is not true), they must accept both possibilities. Anything that cannot be proven by science must be taken on faith. What one man believes to be absolute truth may be absolute untruth to another man. Truth is relative.
Here is the famous example which proves this principle: There is a cat in a sealed box. There is absolutely no way of determining whether the cat is alive or dead. Which is it? If you have no way of proving either possibility how can you deny one and accept another except on faith?
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Hmmm.....if he needs to keep his comments to himself why don't you hypocrites do the same. If you can talk about him, why can't he talk about Jesus? Its amazing not once did this cry baby say he forced his religion on him. All he said was he gave thanks out loud. Besides anyway, the fact is and its a fact whenther you choose to believe or not, Jesus will be your judge and your jury when you die. And the funny thing is your sorrowful opinion will not mean a thing then. My suggestion to those who don't believe enjoy this life to its fullest, because ETERNITY waits. Its amazing the decisions you make in 80 or so years in this life if your lucky, will determine the rest of your ETERNITY folks. You know what I also always find funny. Is the complete and utter nonsense that your belief creates God. lol Like if I don't believe then he doesn't exist....hehehe. Its like saying if I don't believe in Twinkies they don't exist
Oh, so you're saying you have proof that God exists?
WOW!
Do tell!!
Hmm.......can you prove he doesn't exist?
I knew it!
Typical response...prove something DOESN'T exist for something you can't prove does!
What's the role of science? To prove why things happen or that things exist or to rule out possibilities.
God was created by man as a concept to answer the unknown. Why do you think we have the Greek/Roman Titans/Gods? Or Native American Gods/Spirits?
The creation of Gods/supernatural beings arose out of ignorance of how the world works (why the sun rises/falls, why does it rain, etc.) Where did we come from? Uhh...must be some omnipotent being that had nothing better to do after having sat all alone for billions of years.
You should write down your response. Show it to him when you die and he's standing there looking you in the face. Man I can't wait to see some of these faces. What a day, what day thats going to be. Oh the scrambilng and whining. That will be a day of excuses, excuses, excuses. Hey I'm out on this one.
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Hmmm.....if he needs to keep his comments to himself why don't you hypocrites do the same. If you can talk about him, why can't he talk about Jesus? Its amazing not once did this cry baby say he forced his religion on him. All he said was he gave thanks out loud. Besides anyway, the fact is and its a fact whenther you choose to believe or not, Jesus will be your judge and your jury when you die. And the funny thing is your sorrowful opinion will not mean a thing then. My suggestion to those who don't believe enjoy this life to its fullest, because ETERNITY waits. Its amazing the decisions you make in 80 or so years in this life if your lucky, will determine the rest of your ETERNITY folks. You know what I also always find funny. Is the complete and utter nonsense that your belief creates God. lol Like if I don't believe then he doesn't exist....hehehe. Its like saying if I don't believe in Twinkies they don't exist
Oh, so you're saying you have proof that God exists?
WOW!
Do tell!!
Hmm.......can you prove he doesn't exist?
I knew it!
Typical response...prove something DOESN'T exist for something you can't prove does!
What's the role of science? To prove why things happen or that things exist or to rule out possibilities.
God was created by man as a concept to answer the unknown. Why do you think we have the Greek/Roman Titans/Gods? Or Native American Gods/Spirits?
The creation of Gods/supernatural beings arose out of ignorance of how the world works (why the sun rises/falls, why does it rain, etc.) Where did we come from? Uhh...must be some omnipotent being that had nothing better to do after having sat all alone for billions of years.
You should write down your response. Show it to him when you die and he's standing there looking you in the face. Man I can't wait to see some of these faces. What a day, what day thats going to be. Oh the scrambilng and whining. That will be a day of excuses, excuses, excuses. Hey I'm out on this one.
out of reasons to support your weak position, eh? Ok...g'night.
Oh, btw, thanks for helping prove to me that most Christians are very judgmental (which, btw, is COUNTER to what Christ taught. Something like, Judge not, lest ye be judged yourself.)
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True enough (no pun intended!), but you must achknowledge the fact that both people cannot be right at the same time. There is an absolute truth: that cat is either dead OR alive. Not both, and two believing different things won't change that. So just because god cannot be proven one way or the other doesn't change the actual fact that God either does or does not exist. Without hard evidence it's difficult to prove his existence or lack thereof, but one of the two groups (believers or disbelievers) is wrong and the other is right.
Schrödinger is turning in his grave right now.Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Hmmm.....if he needs to keep his comments to himself why don't you hypocrites do the same. If you can talk about him, why can't he talk about Jesus? Its amazing not once did this cry baby say he forced his religion on him. All he said was he gave thanks out loud. Besides anyway, the fact is and its a fact whenther you choose to believe or not, Jesus will be your judge and your jury when you die. And the funny thing is your sorrowful opinion will not mean a thing then. My suggestion to those who don't believe enjoy this life to its fullest, because ETERNITY waits. Its amazing the decisions you make in 80 or so years in this life if your lucky, will determine the rest of your ETERNITY folks. You know what I also always find funny. Is the complete and utter nonsense that your belief creates God. lol Like if I don't believe then he doesn't exist....hehehe. Its like saying if I don't believe in Twinkies they don't exist
Oh, so you're saying you have proof that God exists?
WOW!
Do tell!!
Hmm.......can you prove he doesn't exist?
I knew it!
Typical response...prove something DOESN'T exist for something you can't prove does!
What's the role of science? To prove why things happen or that things exist or to rule out possibilities.
God was created by man as a concept to answer the unknown. Why do you think we have the Greek/Roman Titans/Gods? Or Native American Gods/Spirits?
The creation of Gods/supernatural beings arose out of ignorance of how the world works (why the sun rises/falls, why does it rain, etc.) Where did we come from? Uhh...must be some omnipotent being that had nothing better to do after having sat all alone for billions of years.
The most important scientific principle is that if one cannot prove something exists or does not exist (is true is not true), they must accept both possibilities. Anything that cannot be proven by science must be taken on faith. What one man believes to be absolute truth may be absolute untruth to another man. Truth is relative.
Here is the famous example which proves this principle: There is a cat in a sealed box. There is absolutely no way of determining whether the cat is alive or dead. Which is it? If you have no way of proving either possibility how can you deny one and accept another except on faith?
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You're not very empathetic or a good crusader for Christ, Classy. I think the last thing God wants is people running around condeming those on earth who have not yet gotten to a point in believing in him. Judging is not your place; if you really believe in God I would think that you'd want to spread his word in a positive encouraging light instead of a scornful dismissive one.
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Hmmm.....if he needs to keep his comments to himself why don't you hypocrites do the same. If you can talk about him, why can't he talk about Jesus? Its amazing not once did this cry baby say he forced his religion on him. All he said was he gave thanks out loud. Besides anyway, the fact is and its a fact whenther you choose to believe or not, Jesus will be your judge and your jury when you die. And the funny thing is your sorrowful opinion will not mean a thing then. My suggestion to those who don't believe enjoy this life to its fullest, because ETERNITY waits. Its amazing the decisions you make in 80 or so years in this life if your lucky, will determine the rest of your ETERNITY folks. You know what I also always find funny. Is the complete and utter nonsense that your belief creates God. lol Like if I don't believe then he doesn't exist....hehehe. Its like saying if I don't believe in Twinkies they don't exist
Oh, so you're saying you have proof that God exists?
WOW!
Do tell!!
Hmm.......can you prove he doesn't exist?
I knew it!
Typical response...prove something DOESN'T exist for something you can't prove does!
What's the role of science? To prove why things happen or that things exist or to rule out possibilities.
God was created by man as a concept to answer the unknown. Why do you think we have the Greek/Roman Titans/Gods? Or Native American Gods/Spirits?
The creation of Gods/supernatural beings arose out of ignorance of how the world works (why the sun rises/falls, why does it rain, etc.) Where did we come from? Uhh...must be some omnipotent being that had nothing better to do after having sat all alone for billions of years.
The most important scientific principle is that if one cannot prove something exists or does not exist (is true is not true), they must accept both possibilities. Anything that cannot be proven by science must be taken on faith. What one man believes to be absolute truth may be absolute untruth to another man. Truth is relative.
Here is the famous example which proves this principle: There is a cat in a sealed box. There is absolutely no way of determining whether the cat is alive or dead. Which is it? If you have no way of proving either possibility how can you deny one and accept another except on faith?
Wow!
The FARCE is strong with this one.
BTW, in the Schroedinger's Cat hypothesis, you forgot key components (the vial of poisonous gas and the decaying radioactive material and the fact the cat is both alive and dead until the box lid is removed. Then, the act of observation determines the outcome.)
I didn't contradict this at all in my post. Everyone has to find their own truth. I've found mine, have you found yours?
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Well, it didn't take long for my thread to fall into the shi1ter, did it?
The whole intent of this thread was me voicing my displeasure that he was singing praises at breakfast. Period. If he was singing Twinkle Twinkle Little STar, I'd still think he's nuts.
If you believe God exists, good for you.
If you don't believe God exists, good for you.
If you're not sure, good for you.
See? I'm an equal opportunity kind of guy.
The whole intent of this thread was me voicing my displeasure that he was singing praises at breakfast. Period. If he was singing Twinkle Twinkle Little STar, I'd still think he's nuts.
If you believe God exists, good for you.
If you don't believe God exists, good for you.
If you're not sure, good for you.
See? I'm an equal opportunity kind of guy.
One more thing, Skoorb, people sing everywhere, everyday. They sing in the halls at work, walking down the street, riding the bike, etc. They sing any and all kinds of songs too. So what this guy should be punished cause he sings a church song, give me a break. I bet if some pretty blond sat down at lunch and started singing out loud you and a few others would come running in here talking about should I ask her out, she's so cool.
Originally posted by: classy
One more thing, Skoorb, people sing everywhere, everyday. They sing in the halls at work, walking down the street, riding the bike, etc. They sing any and all kinds of songs too. So what this guy should be punished cause he sings a church song, give me a break. I bet if some pretty blond sat down at lunch and started singing out loud you and a few others would come running in here talking about should I ask her out, she's so cool.
I can't say as I've seen people sing OUT LOUD in the halls at work, while riding bikes nor walking down the street.
Well, I did see a guy on a street corner in Chicago once standing on top of a mailbox singing while holding a bottle in a brown paper bag. I made sure to steer my daughters clear of him as we passed.
What? I can't condemn you. No matter what I say or do. But in the same respect I can't save you either. You and I all CONDEMN OURSELVES with our actions. Some folks need compassion and some folks need the truth thrown on them like a cold glass of water. Cause it might be the last glass of water they ever get :Q
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: classy
Hmmm.....if he needs to keep his comments to himself why don't you hypocrites do the same. If you can talk about him, why can't he talk about Jesus? Its amazing not once did this cry baby say he forced his religion on him. All he said was he gave thanks out loud. Besides anyway, the fact is and its a fact whenther you choose to believe or not, Jesus will be your judge and your jury when you die. And the funny thing is your sorrowful opinion will not mean a thing then. My suggestion to those who don't believe enjoy this life to its fullest, because ETERNITY waits. Its amazing the decisions you make in 80 or so years in this life if your lucky, will determine the rest of your ETERNITY folks. You know what I also always find funny. Is the complete and utter nonsense that your belief creates God. lol Like if I don't believe then he doesn't exist....hehehe. Its like saying if I don't believe in Twinkies they don't exist
Oh, so you're saying you have proof that God exists?
WOW!
Do tell!!
Hmm.......can you prove he doesn't exist?
I knew it!
Typical response...prove something DOESN'T exist for something you can't prove does!
What's the role of science? To prove why things happen or that things exist or to rule out possibilities.
God was created by man as a concept to answer the unknown. Why do you think we have the Greek/Roman Titans/Gods? Or Native American Gods/Spirits?
The creation of Gods/supernatural beings arose out of ignorance of how the world works (why the sun rises/falls, why does it rain, etc.) Where did we come from? Uhh...must be some omnipotent being that had nothing better to do after having sat all alone for billions of years.
The most important scientific principle is that if one cannot prove something exists or does not exist (is true is not true), they must accept both possibilities. Anything that cannot be proven by science must be taken on faith. What one man believes to be absolute truth may be absolute untruth to another man. Truth is relative.
Here is the famous example which proves this principle: There is a cat in a sealed box. There is absolutely no way of determining whether the cat is alive or dead. Which is it? If you have no way of proving either possibility how can you deny one and accept another except on faith?
Wow!
The FARCE is strong with this one.
BTW, in the Schroedinger's Cat hypothesis, you forgot key components (the vial of poisonous gas and the decaying radioactive material and the fact the cat is both alive and dead until the box lid is removed. Then, the act of observation determines the outcome.)
How are these "key components"? In both versions of the story (the original and my simplified version) the KEY component is you have no way of determining the truth without observation. The contents of the box are irrelevant. One could state there is a King Cobra in the box with the cat and you would still have no way of determining the truth without being able to observe its contents. So, what does it matter what's in the box with the cat?
Until man can see G-d with his own eyes man has no way of determining G-d's "existance". Neither can man disprove G-d's "existance".
Science is nothing more than observation and logical conclusions based on said observations. Oh, and science has never been wrong before either, science is infallible - just like man
Ok...then what observations can be made to even make the supposition that God exists???
There are NONE!
There are NONE!
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evertime you see him, hold his hands gently and give him a wink.
when he sings @ your table again, take your clothes off and start singing YATTA.
when he sings @ your table again, take your clothes off and start singing YATTA.
since he likes you for your tolerance of his beliefs, he must be willing to tolerate yours too.. tell him that public displays of religion make you uncomfortable and see if he can either return to his more.. inconspicuous prayin' or do his praying in the car before you go in or.. if you want to be less confrontational, arrange to be washin' your hands while he's blessin' his food alone.. or.. somethin'.
think I'd start packin' my lunch, myself..
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To me it doesn't matter what you're singing about - if you're in a restaurant and singing (and you're not the cook or janitor humming to yourself) it's weird!Originally posted by: classy
One more thing, Skoorb, people sing everywhere, everyday. They sing in the halls at work, walking down the street, riding the bike, etc. They sing any and all kinds of songs too. So what this guy should be punished cause he sings a church song, give me a break. I bet if some pretty blond sat down at lunch and started singing out loud you and a few others would come running in here talking about should I ask her out, she's so cool.
It's funny that you put manners "a set of moral boundaries created by man" above G-d (which you also claim to be a creation of man). Manners are more important than faith in G-d?
The law of man is NEVER above the law of G-d. The morality created by man is NEVER above that created by G-d.
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