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Maxima1

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From Tribe:

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/934238521954619397

It’s about time more people questioned the myth that the Constitution requires impeaching and removing a president BEFORE indicting and trying him for his crimes. Those who say a sitting POTUS can’t be indicted have the burden of justifying that claim. The president isn’t a King.
 

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Eh, I've seen people like Laurence Tribe argue that it's a possibility to indict a sitting president. Even if one couldn't, Mueller could simply try it.
Mueller likely won't invoke a Constitutional crisis. He'll indict anybody other than the President, even name him obliquely in other indictments, then hand it off to the DoJ & ultimately Congress.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I didn't say it was a law. I said it was a matter of practicality. Even a President held in prison is still the President with everything that entails. It can't work that way.

You and I have had this conversation before, but our differences never were this... weird.

It might be possible that a President can be charged BUT not tried until after his term. I'm not sure on this because who the hell could be? Nothing like this ever has happened in our history. But putting a President in prison while still holding Office? As you say it can't work that way.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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From Tribe:

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/934238521954619397

It’s about time more people questioned the myth that the Constitution requires impeaching and removing a president BEFORE indicting and trying him for his crimes. Those who say a sitting POTUS can’t be indicted have the burden of justifying that claim. The president isn’t a King.

Assuming that he is indicted and tried then found guilty. What then? He's still the President, so what happens after that?
 

Maxima1

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Mueller likely won't invoke a Constitutional crisis. He'll indict anybody other than the President, even name him obliquely in other indictments, then hand it off to the DoJ & ultimately Congress.

I don't believe he needs to go there, and he has other softer options (i.e. an unindicted coconspirator). I'm just raising that it is a possibility. He can try it, and then just have it likely shot down.
 

fskimospy

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Where did I say "throw him in jail"? There are lots of equitable remedies that could be attempted besides throwing him in jail.

I am amazed to see so many liberals here trying to make the argument that Trump is King of America merely because "prosecuting a president would be hard!"

What equitable remedies are you referring to, specifically?
 

sportage

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WOW! Talk about changing the subject of losing the US house.....
I like what CNN asked or someone on CNN asked, "WHAT IS TRUMP AFRAID OF...???"
If Trump is so innocent, then WHY is Donald Trump soooooooooo terrified of the Russian collusion investigation?
And what about Mueller?
Has Mueller been holding off with his findings because Mueller knew a republican controlled congress would do nothing?
BUT NOW..... a democrat controlled house JUST MIGHT DO SOMETHING????
Maybe Mueller has been mum up to now because Mueller was waiting for a congress that would actually take action.
This plot of collusion and soviet spies thickens and is getting more interesting that a Tom Cruise movie.
 
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FIVR

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Does it occur to anyone here what the consequence will be of setting a precedent that a US president is completely unaccountable to US laws while in office? Mueller is currently setting this president. Arguably he already has.


What happens when somebody becomes President and decides they want to murder their whole family? He can't be put on trial? What if the senate is controlled by his party, and won't impeach?


Mueller is giving future presidents total immunity from US laws and nobody thinks that is a problem?
 
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So you are claiming that the judiciary has the power to remove the president from power? That's what throwing him in jail would do.

No, that is what the 25th amendment is for. If a President can not perform his duty he can be removed.
 
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fskimospy

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Trump better not cross this line...err that line...no this one...I wonder just how many things we are going to say that about before we really do not put up with it.

The acting AG WILL interfere with the process. In fact I am basically certain that Trump has made his selection almost entirely based on the idea that this person will interfere with the investigation.

Yes, it will probably cause a constitutional crisis. Yes, it's going to happen anyway.
 
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The acting AG WILL interfere with the process. In fact I am basically certain that Trump has made his selection almost entirely based on the idea that this person will interfere with the investigation.

Yes, it will probably cause a constitutional crisis. Yes, it's going to happen anyway.

Look at the good news, next time Bill Clinton meets someone on a plane Democrats can just say fuck it I’ll give you $3.95 to do a complete investigation

Same with Ben Fucking Ghazi
 

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The acting AG WILL interfere with the process. In fact I am basically certain that Trump has made his selection almost entirely based on the idea that this person will interfere with the investigation.

Yes, it will probably cause a constitutional crisis. Yes, it's going to happen anyway.
It won't be a crisis because republicans won't act on it.
 

cytg111

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When Mueller presents what he has to Whitaker .. does Whitaker really have a choice? If the evidence is there, wouldnt Whitaker be committing obstruction if he put a lid on it?
 

SlowSpyder

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From Tribe:

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/934238521954619397

It’s about time more people questioned the myth that the Constitution requires impeaching and removing a president BEFORE indicting and trying him for his crimes. Those who say a sitting POTUS can’t be indicted have the burden of justifying that claim. The president isn’t a King.


I'm not surprised the Kavanaugh-is-guilty-without-any-proof-crowd would think like this.
 

soundforbjt

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When Mueller presents what he has to Whitaker .. does Whitaker really have a choice? If the evidence is there, wouldnt Whitaker be committing obstruction if he put a lid on it?
Whose gonna know, unless it's leaked and who will believe a leak without seeing evidence? And then they still won't believe it even if there is evidence.
 
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When Mueller presents what he has to Whitaker .. does Whitaker really have a choice? If the evidence is there, wouldnt Whitaker be committing obstruction if he put a lid on it?

and the consequence would be?
Whom would enforce the consequence?
and the President can’t pardon?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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The acting AG WILL interfere with the process. In fact I am basically certain that Trump has made his selection almost entirely based on the idea that this person will interfere with the investigation.

Yes, it will probably cause a constitutional crisis. Yes, it's going to happen anyway.

Remember though that with an EO Trump can fix that pesky Constitution.