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Hayabusa Rider

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Mueller could've indicated or subpoenaed Trump before the midterms but he didn't. It's his problem if he doesn't want to do his job. I thought prosecutors were there to hold people accountable but apparently Mueller is just there to pretend something is being done.


Thankfully Trump doesn't know that his republican-run fake investigation isn't going anywhere and has decided he must end it. The process of his trying to end the investigation will be his undoing. This is great news for democracy.

Mueller could have tried to subpoena Trump and it is the Grand Jury which indicts. There is a good chance that in fighting that battle the war would be lost. Now is the time to get things to the House through the GJ via "The Roadmap"
 

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Mueller could have tried to subpoena Trump and it is the Grand Jury which indicts. There is a good chance that in fighting that battle the war would be lost. Now is the time to get things to the House through the GJ via "The Roadmap"

Prosecutor can indict sandwiches if he wants. He controls all evidence and he selects who is on the grand jury.


If Mueller wanted Trump subpoenaed or Indicted he would have done it by now
 

fskimospy

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What if they're not finding anything to hang on Trump? I've said it before and I'll say it again, this has ALL the markings of a political witch hunt, nothing of substance.

Well except that thing where Trump's personal attorney implicated him in a felony. Oops!
 

Hayabusa Rider

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What if they're not finding anything to hang on Trump? I've said it before and I'll say it again, this has ALL the markings of a political witch hunt, nothing of substance.

There are convicts which would argue about substance. Fortunately Trump's financial dealings will be brought to the House as he has no legal defense to prevent it. Every Single Person he had dealings with can be brought to testify including family, with painful results if they resist.

Tick Tock.
 

fskimospy

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Prosecutor can indict sandwiches if he wants. He controls all evidence and he selects who is on the grand jury.

If Mueller wanted Trump subpoenaed or Indicted he would have done it by now

It is reasonably likely that he has already subpoenaed Trump. It is also likely he is legally barred from indicting Trump.
 

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Mueller could've indicated or subpoenaed Trump before the midterms but he didn't. It's his problem if he doesn't want to do his job. I thought prosecutors were there to hold people accountable but apparently Mueller is just there to pretend something is being done.


Thankfully Trump doesn't know that his republican-run fake investigation isn't going anywhere and has decided he must end it. The process of his trying to end the investigation will be his undoing. This is great news for democracy.

Mueller didn't even have to touch Trump directly. He could have punished the Republicans for obstructing for him for the past two years, but didn't over a guideline that's not even codified. Does anyone really think the Republicans would care about a guideline that is most relevant for someone running (which Trump, Stone, Kushner, et al. obviously weren't)? Even then, the person in position to do it can use their judgment, so it's weak without even considering that it isn't codified. All appointments are now simple majority as well, so it's easy to get in toadys. Kemp proved to Trumpian Republicans graft works, and no one is going to do anything about it.
 
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Presumably Trump will replace him with someone worse, which introduces the ontological problem of imagining a human being worse than Jeff Sessions.
Doesn't have to be a worse person, just has to be willing to cover Trump's ass.
 

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Mueller better have copies of everything hidden someplace that only he knows, he can have them delivered to the press should shit hit the fan.
 
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FIVR

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It is reasonably likely that he has already subpoenaed Trump. It is also likely he is legally barred from indicting Trump.

How does that make any sense? The whole point of having a president is that he is a civilian who is still subject to US laws (vs a King who is unaccountable). The ENTIRE reason the US exists is because prior governments did not hold their leaders accountable.


How can you possibly argue that Trump is some sort of unaccountable and un-indictable leader (a king) when the constitution specifically states that he is not? Does Mueller believe Trump is King?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Prosecutor can indict sandwiches if he wants. He controls all evidence and he selects who is on the grand jury.


If Mueller wanted Trump subpoenaed or Indicted he would have done it by now

You made a wonderful quote about something you don't seem to understand. Presidents have more rights and considerations of office than you, I, or that tuna melt.

Why go for a year's long battle with dubious chances. Smarter ways to do this. Don't give into the distraction of Trump, but just like with the mob, have his subordinates cut him off at the knees and dump his political ass in the Pinelands.
 
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What if they're not finding anything to hang on Trump? I've said it before and I'll say it again, this has ALL the markings of a political witch hunt, nothing of substance.
Yeah all those indictments, guilty pleas, jury convictions and sentences are nothing of substance.
 

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This banana republic sure doesn't smell like bananas.
 

Blackjack200

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Doesn't have to be a worse person, just has to be willing to cover Trump's ass.

This is pure speculation on my part as I haven't followed Mueller's investigation closely, and even if I did I don't know if I would really have a great understanding of it... but I'd be surprised if Mueller is actually a danger to Trump himself. I suspect that Trump's friends are tired of answering calls from the FBI and don't want to turn into the next Manafort/Cohen, so they're applying the pressure.
 

Jhhnn

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Mueller could've indicated or subpoenaed Trump before the midterms but he didn't. It's his problem if he doesn't want to do his job. I thought prosecutors were there to hold people accountable but apparently Mueller is just there to pretend something is being done.


Thankfully Trump doesn't know that his republican-run fake investigation isn't going anywhere and has decided he must end it. The process of his trying to end the investigation will be his undoing. This is great news for democracy.

That's bullshit. I rather suspect that the ink has been dry on additional indictments for some while, held in abeyance so as to not appear as partisan during the midterms. That's over. The acting AG may attempt to interfere in the process but nobody will put up with it. To do so would set off a Constitutional crisis that even Senate Repubs don't want.

And just because Sessions was recused from the Special Counsel investigation doesn't mean he doesn't know what's going on. He knows Trump is in deep shit right up to his eyeballs so he'll take his exit before it gets splashed all over him.