Jeff Sessions has just resigned

[fskimospy]

How does that make any sense? The whole point of having a president is that he is a civilian who is still subject to US laws (vs a King who is unaccountable). The ENTIRE reason the US exists is because prior governments did not hold their leaders accountable.

How can you possibly argue that Trump is some sort of unaccountable and un-indictable leader (a king) when the constitution specifically states that he is not? Does Mueller believe Trump is King?

Where does it state that, specifically?

 

[ecogen]

So, they picked Sessions for AG partly because his seat was supposed to be a safe R and then proceeded to lose the seat and get rid of Sessions. This is fucking hilarious.

 

[Blackjack200]

Mueller better have copies of everything hidden someplace that only he knows, he can have them delivered to the press should shit hit the fan.

Ecuadorian Embassy in the UK seems like as good a place as any...

 

[Jhhnn]

How does that make any sense? The whole point of having a president is that he is a civilian who is still subject to US laws (vs a King who is unaccountable). The ENTIRE reason the US exists is because prior governments did not hold their leaders accountable.


How can you possibly argue that Trump is some sort of unaccountable and un-indictable leader (a king) when the constitution specifically states that he is not? Does Mueller believe Trump is King?

A President must be removed from office before any criminal action against him can occur. Otherwise we could have presidenting from prison.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The House subpoenas Mueller and potentially appoints him to be lead investigator.

Crazy thought, crazy world atm

 

[cytg111]

So .. bets for the next Obstruction of Justice incident? Whitaker takes over the counsel from Rosenstein and either fires Mueller or neuters him ... within 24 hours... FROM NOW.

 

[FIVR]

A President must be removed from office before any criminal action against him can occur. Otherwise we could have presidenting from prison.

Show me the law that says this.

 

[fskimospy]

So .. bets for the next Obstruction of Justice incident? Whitaker takes over the counsel from Rosenstein and either fires Mueller or neuters him ... within 24 hours... FROM NOW.

I suspect he will attempt to neuter the investigation from behind the scenes, not fire Mueller. For Trump the best outcome is a sham investigation like the Kavanaugh one where Republicans can claim an investigation happened while secretly preventing it from being done correctly.

 

[ch33zw1z]

He was a useless ass clown anyway.

BTW, got a link?

But at least he wasn't a pothead, amirite?

 

[fskimospy]

Show me the law that says this.

So you are claiming that the judiciary has the power to remove the president from power? That's what throwing him in jail would do.

 

[cytg111]

I suspect he will attempt to neuter the investigation from behind the scenes, not fire Mueller. For Trump the best outcome is a sham investigation like the Kavanaugh one where Republicans can claim an investigation happened while secretly preventing it from being done correctly.

I think indictments for Junior amongst others is already in route .. Why ? Cause Muller has at least twice the brains of Trump so he has seen this coming from miles away.

 

[FIVR]

So you are claiming that the judiciary has the power to remove the president from power? That's what throwing him in jail would do.

The judiciary has the power to hold all US citizens accountable if they commit crimes.



The fact that prior presidents did not commit prosecutable crimes in office does not preclude the current President form being held accountable.

 

[Maxima1]

Remember this guys?

Lindsey Graham in July 2017: "If Sessions is fired, there will be holy hell to pay."

 

[fskimospy]

The judiciary has the power to hold all US citizens accountable if they commit crimes.

The fact that prior presidents did not commit prosecutable crimes in office does not preclude the current President form being held accountable.

Can you explain how the judiciary having the power to remove the president from office at will is not a violation of the separation of powers doctrine?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Show me the law that says this.

If Trump were not impeached and removed by Congress he would be the lawful President of the US. It's not a matter of "what law" but what the Constitution provides for. There can, however, be an investigation by prosecutors on the actions of a President. Hey, I know this guy, Mueller...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Can you explain how the judiciary having the power to remove the president from office at will is not a violation of the separation of powers doctrine?

The Constitution Thingy is apparently hard for some people of any ideology to understand.

 

[soundforbjt]

Remember this guys?

Lindsey Graham in July 2017: "If Sessions is fired, there will be holy hell to pay."

That's so last year's news.

 

[Maxima1]

So you are claiming that the judiciary has the power to remove the president from power? That's what throwing him in jail would do.

Eh, I've seen people like Laurence Tribe argue that it's a possibility to indict a sitting president. Even if one couldn't, Mueller could simply try it.

 

[Jhhnn]

Show me the law that says this.

I didn't say it was a law. I said it was a matter of practicality. Even a President held in prison is still the President with everything that entails. It can't work that way.

 

[FIVR]

Can you explain how the judiciary having the power to remove the president from office at will is not a violation of the separation of powers doctrine?

It is not "the power to remove him from office", it is the power to prosecute him for crimes.


He could be prosecuted and put on trial while he was president. There is nothing in law that prevents this.


Just because something hasn't happened before doesn't mean it's impossible or against the law.

 

[fskimospy]

I think indictments for Junior amongst others is already in route .. Why ? Cause Muller has at least twice the brains of Trump so he has seen this coming from miles away.

I hope whatever he's doing he's staying late tonight to do it as he may not have much time.

 

[fskimospy]

It is not "the power to remove him from office", it is the power to prosecute him for crimes.

He could be prosecuted and put on trial while he was president. There is nothing in law that prevents this.

Just because something hasn't happened before doesn't mean it's impossible or against the law.

Can you explain how throwing him in jail isn't removing him from office for all intents and purposes?

 

[FIVR]

Eh, I've seen people like Laurence Tribe argue that it's a possibility to indict a sitting president. Even if one couldn't, Mueller could simply try it.

Exactly. The country is only 200 years old. There are plenty of things that have never been done before which will be done in the future.

 

[SMOGZINN]

The acting AG may attempt to interfere in the process but nobody will put up with it. To do so would set off a Constitutional crisis that even Senate Repubs don't want.

Trump better not cross this line...err that line...no this one...I wonder just how many things we are going to say that about before we really do not put up with it.

 

[FIVR]

Can you explain how throwing him in jail isn't removing him from office for all intents and purposes?

Where did I say "throw him in jail"? There are lots of equitable remedies that could be attempted besides throwing him in jail.


I am amazed to see so many liberals here trying to make the argument that Trump is King of America merely because "prosecuting a president would be hard!"