Jeff Sessions has just resigned

[trenchfoot]

Every move Trump makes, every breath he takes, every promise he breaks, every lie he snakes Mueller's watching him.

And now, and now comes the hatchet.

I'd be interested to see how the Dem controlled House could possibly be able to provide cover for Mueller and the evidence he's uncovered.

The Plot Thickens.

 

[Viper1j]

Welp... The POTUS, since the AG works at the pleasure of him, definitely has the authority to fire Sessions. This was affirmed at the Supreme Court in Myers v. United States. One thing about it, the new AG won't go in recused from anything. This could be good or bad, depending on things. It's also time for Mueller to shit or get off the pot. If he's got something, he needs to bring it while he can. He's had 2 years to figure out if there is a there there. It's going to be bad enough for the American people that there is going to be gridlock in congress for the next two years and even worse if this Mueller thing is still looming.

Remind me again... How long did Whitewater and Benghazi hearings go on?

 

[soundforbjt]

Welp... The POTUS, since the AG works at the pleasure of him, definitely has the authority to fire Sessions. This was affirmed at the Supreme Court in Myers v. United States. One thing about it, the new AG won't go in recused from anything. This could be good or bad, depending on things. It's also time for Mueller to shit or get off the pot. If he's got something, he needs to bring it while he can. He's had 2 years to figure out if there is a there there. It's going to be bad enough for the American people that there is going to be gridlock in congress for the next two years and even worse if this Mueller thing is still looming.

You act as though it's simple to follow Trump's money, he has a used helicopter in Scotland that the purchase went through 500 "corporations", It's insane to think Mueller's anywhere near done.

 

[FIVR]

Rosenstein better resign in protest like a human being with integrity or I am changing my profile pic.

 

[fskimospy]

Welp... The POTUS, since the AG works at the pleasure of him, definitely has the authority to fire Sessions. This was affirmed at the Supreme Court in Myers v. United States. One thing about it, the new AG won't go in recused from anything. This could be good or bad, depending on things. It's also time for Mueller to shit or get off the pot. If he's got something, he needs to bring it while he can. He's had 2 years to figure out if there is a there there. It's going to be bad enough for the American people that there is going to be gridlock in congress for the next two years and even worse if this Mueller thing is still looming.

If Mueller submitted his findings today it would be one of the fastest Special Counsel investigations in US history. Why does Mueller need to do anything right now? Isn't the right move to have it take as long as it takes?

As for whether this is good or bad, it's bad. You know as well as I do that he is firing Sessions because he didn't protect him from Mueller's investigation. I hope when Trump fires Mueller or it comes out that he's otherwise neutered his investigation that you'll be supporting impeachment with the rest of us.

 

[UNCjigga]

Rosenstein better resign in protest like a human being with integrity or I am changing my profile pic.

He better NOT resign. Force Trump or Trump's new lackey to fire his ass.

 

[compuwiz1]

You act as though it's simple to follow Trump's money, he has a used helicopter in Scotland that the purchase went through 500 "corporations", It's insane to think Mueller's anywhere near done.

The reason people form corporations is to insulate themselves from personal liability. I think he's relatively safe there. I really do wish he would release his tax returns though. But, would they be his personal tax returns or the corporate ones. I don't think his personal ones would have any real bombs in this them, plus the IRS would have already been up his ass, if they had anything bad going on. The Trump corporations are not Trump himself and I think those returns would be considered off limits, were a court to weigh in.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Welp... The POTUS, since the AG works at the pleasure of him, definitely has the authority to fire Sessions. This was affirmed at the Supreme Court in Myers v. United States. One thing about it, the new AG won't go in recused from anything. This could be good or bad, depending on things. It's also time for Mueller to shit or get off the pot. If he's got something, he needs to bring it while he can. He's had 2 years to figure out if there is a there there. It's going to be bad enough for the American people that there is going to be gridlock in congress for the next two years and even worse if this Mueller thing is still looming.

With this Massacre in motion the goal is obviously for Trump to protect all costs. Mueller may not be fired, but not allowed to do anything. Trump has more than ever declared war on the Rule of Law by taking actions to ensure he cannot be held accountable, He's threaten to let the nation burn if the House doesn't drop it and command the Senate to do his will to attack the House. That he may not have the legal authority to do some if these things? He doesn't care, he's a Sovereign Lord with the Divine Right of Kings. Anyone who supports Trump at this point has declared him or herself a domestic enemy of the nation, the ones who some swore an oath to defend against.

 

[Paratus]

Yeah... new... as if the base thinks Trump finally grew a pair, has manned up, and is starting to do "what needs to be done".

Seriously, what else did you mean? Impeachment? Us and what Senate?

Tongue in cheek post by me but the general drift is this event is the equivalent of the Saturday night massacre which was unacceptable. Assuming Mueller has an airtight case that implicates Trump and Pence then the lame duck republican congress throws Trump under the bus and impeaches him so we get President Ryan instead of risk President Pelosy.

Alternatively Pence manipulates events behind the scenes and maneuvers himself into the Presidency which is what he’s been waiting for.

At any rate this move basically limits Trumps presidency to 2 years and likely less, much less IMHO.

 

[FIVR]

He better NOT resign. Force Trump or Trump's new lackey to fire his ass.

Rosenstien is the last bit of legitimacy in Trump's new Justice department. Him staying just grants legitimacy to Trump's actions. He must resign in protest and force Trump to nominate somebody else.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The reason people form corporations is to insulate themselves from personal liability. I think he's relatively safe there. I really do wish he would release his tax returns though. But, would they be his personal tax returns or the corporate ones. I don't think his personal ones would have any real bombs in this them, plus the IRS would have already been up his ass, if they had anything bad going on. The Trump corporations are not Trump himself and I think those returns would be considered off limits, were a court to weigh in.

According to Trump his business and taxes are too complicated for the Legislative Branch to understand. Only he can it seems.

 

[soundforbjt]

The reason people form corporations is to insulate themselves from personal liability. I think he's relatively safe there. I really do wish he would release his tax returns though. But, would they be his personal tax returns or the corporate ones. I don't think his personal ones would have any real bombs in this them, plus the IRS would have already been up his ass, if they had anything bad going on. The Trump corporations are not Trump himself and I think those returns would be considered off limits, were a court to weigh in.

Who owns the Trump corporations? Trump and his family, there's no shareholders.

 

[fskimospy]

The reason people form corporations is to insulate themselves from personal liability. I think he's relatively safe there. I really do wish he would release his tax returns though. But, would they be his personal tax returns or the corporate ones. I don't think his personal ones would have any real bombs in this them, plus the IRS would have already been up his ass, if they had anything bad going on. The Trump corporations are not Trump himself and I think those returns would be considered off limits, were a court to weigh in.

The Trump Organization is basically a collection of pass through corporations, meaning Trump's personal and corporate tax returns are the same. I would bet a large sum of money there is not just one bomb in them but many. As for what the IRS might or might not be doing just look at Paul Manafort. He was guilty as hell and the IRS did nothing for years and years. Their enforcement budget has been destroyed. Trump appears to have committed massive tax fraud with his father in order to skirt inheritance taxes too and the IRS didn't catch it.

When the Democrats subpoena his tax returns I predict he will fight their release all the way to the Supreme Court. Why? Because he knows they won't stand up to scrutiny.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Tongue in cheek post by me but the general drift is this event is the equivalent of the Saturday night massacre which was unacceptable. Assuming Mueller has an airtight case that implicates Trump and Pence then the lame duck republican congress throws Trump under the bus and impeaches him so we get President Ryan instead of risk President Pelosy.

Alternatively Pence manipulates events behind the scenes and maneuvers himself into the Presidency which is what he’s been waiting for.

At any rate this move basically limits Trumps presidency to 2 years and likely less, much less IMHO.

This translates into something like "It limits WWII to two more years, likely less". I mean it might sound good?

 

[Maxima1]

If Mueller submitted his findings today it would be one of the fastest Special Counsel investigations in US history. Why does Mueller need to do anything right now? Isn't the right move to have it take as long as it takes?
.

It's possible he files a separate report on obstruction issues.

 

[soundforbjt]

The Trump Organization is basically a collection of pass through corporations, meaning Trump's personal and corporate tax returns are the same. I would bet a large sum of money there is not just one bomb in them but many. As for what the IRS might or might not be doing just look at Paul Manafort. He was guilty as hell and the IRS did nothing for years and years. Their enforcement budget has been destroyed. Trump appears to have committed massive tax fraud with his father in order to skirt inheritance taxes too and the IRS didn't catch it.

When the Democrats subpoena his tax returns I predict he will fight their release all the way to the Supreme Court. Why? Because he knows they won't stand up to scrutiny.

And we all know how the SC would rule...

 

[dank69]

Welp... The POTUS, since the AG works at the pleasure of him, definitely has the authority to fire Sessions. This was affirmed at the Supreme Court in Myers v. United States. One thing about it, the new AG won't go in recused from anything. This could be good or bad, depending on things. It's also time for Mueller to shit or get off the pot. If he's got something, he needs to bring it while he can. He's had 2 years to figure out if there is a there there. It's going to be bad enough for the American people that there is going to be gridlock in congress for the next two years and even worse if this Mueller thing is still looming.

And what are you going to do if Trump's new AG comes out tomorrow and says the investigation is over and everything in it is classified but don't worry they found no crimes committed by Trump? What can anyone do? Anyone who leaks contrary information is a criminal.

 

[K1052]

According to Trump his business and taxes are too complicated for the Legislative Branch to understand. Only he can it seems.

Translation: I and my family/associates have (probably) committed vast tax and financial crimes punishable on the federal and state level so I would not like to show them to you.

 

[Paratus]

This translates into something like "It limits WWII to two more years, likely less". I mean it might sound good?

He just tried to invade the Soviet Union if you want to use the WWII analogy. Plus something like this was inevitable before the end.

 

[zinfamous]

Welp... The POTUS, since the AG works at the pleasure of him, definitely has the authority to fire Sessions. This was affirmed at the Supreme Court in Myers v. United States. One thing about it, the new AG won't go in recused from anything. This could be good or bad, depending on things. It's also time for Mueller to shit or get off the pot. If he's got something, he needs to bring it while he can. He's had 2 years to figure out if there is a there there. It's going to be bad enough for the American people that there is going to be gridlock in congress for the next two years and even worse if this Mueller thing is still looming.

I'm sure glad that you are the arbiter for how long investigations of serious crimes, that go back decades, spread over a family empire, should take. I'm glad you are smarter than Mueller and all other federal investigators that have generations of experience with these type of investigations.

Hell, Whitewater took what, 7 years and they slapped one dude on the wrist? Mueller has already bagged 22 witches in barely 1.5 years. (no, this hasn't been going on for more than 2 years. you are smoking crack.)

 

[soundforbjt]

And what are you going to do if Trump's new AG comes out tomorrow and says the investigation is over and everything in it is classified but don't worry they found no crimes committed by Trump? What can anyone do? Anyone who leaks contrary information is a criminal.

You're giving away the ending...

 

[zinfamous]

Who owns the Trump corporations? Trump and his family, there's no shareholders.

Yuppers. Seems the Trumpsniffers still seem to think this guy has been running a public company, with all of the very different responsibilities, and competence, that this entails.

Of course, they never bother to ask themselves why "Trump Inc" has only ever been a family business, and necessarily so. This does not make them curious.

"Trump Inc" has been nothing more than an elaborate money-laundering empire for international dictators and criminals for about 2 decades now. That's it.

He's toast.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I predict he will fight their release all the way to the Supreme Court.

There would be no justifiable Executive basis for keeping them private and I would not be surprised at this point if he refused the House AND SCOTUS, declaring that he himself, alone, has the power to keep or release them.

He could of course as the only remedy at this point would be removal through the Senate and at that point they'll go for it or else the only thing won't get funding for toilet paper.

 

[Paratus]

There would be no justifiable Executive basis for keeping them private and I would not be surprised at this point if he refused the House AND SCOTUS, declaring that he himself, alone, has the power to keep or release them.

He could of course as the only remedy at this point would be removal through the Senate and at that point they'll go for it or else the only thing won't get funding for toilet paper.

Couldn’t the court simply order the IRS directly to turn over the taxes if he refuses?

 

[fskimospy]

There would be no justifiable Executive basis for keeping them private and I would not be surprised at this point if he refused the House AND SCOTUS, declaring that he himself, alone, has the power to keep or release them.

He could of course as the only remedy at this point would be removal through the Senate and at that point they'll go for it or else the only thing won't get funding for toilet paper.

No, in that case the courts would order the IRS to deliver the documents to Congress and if IRS officials refused they would be jailed for contempt. Trump can order them not to but unless he sends the army over to the IRS building he can't stop it.