Jeff Sessions has just resigned

[Muse]

This thread should read "Sessions Fired"

Yes, I demand OP make said change.

 

[Muse]

Mueller could've indicated or subpoenaed Trump before the midterms but he didn't.

Isn't Mueller a Republican?

But those House Dems better not investigate anything!

They're now finally in a position to do just that.

 

[Muse]

Maybe we can legalize marijuana now.

Want some? We got some in CA. TBH, I think you can use it.

 

[Muse]

How does that make any sense? The whole point of having a president is that he is a civilian who is still subject to US laws (vs a King who is unaccountable). The ENTIRE reason the US exists is because prior governments did not hold their leaders accountable.


How can you possibly argue that Trump is some sort of unaccountable and un-indictable leader (a king) when the constitution specifically states that he is not? Does Mueller believe Trump is King?

Maybe not, but Kavanaugh does, it appears.

 

[Maxima1]

Isn't Mueller a Republican?.

Yes. It's really the only thing to me that explains it, although feckless Democrats probably would have done the same. The 60-day guideline isn't even codified, and we all know Republicans wouldn't give a shit about a soft tradition.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Well he's out pretty quickly.

Damn I’ve been working all day and haven’t heard, big news. I don’t like it either. Sessions did the right thing by recusing himself and although I don’t think much will come of it I support the Muehler investigation.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Man I don’t like this at all.

Edit: maybe whoever this new guy is will be mj friendly though ​

 

[Muse]

Can you explain how the judiciary having the power to remove the president from office at will is not a violation of the separation of powers doctrine?

Well, rock, paper, scissors. The judiciary may be the rock. Separation of powers does not guarantee that they exist in their own untouchable worlds.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Rosenstein reportedly headed to the WH.

Followed by 15 guys with a bone saw

 

[VRAMdemon]

Mueller can tell Whittaker to fuck off and die. He isn't in Mueller's chain of command. Even an interim AG has to be approved by the Senate, and Whittaker hasn't been.

Let the indictments flow freely!

Although..Whitaker is the Acting AG. That's the same role that Rosenstein had for the purposes of the Russia investigation.

There is an argument to be made that the Vacancy Act cannot constitutionally apply here. But it is a long-shot, IMO.

 

[compuwiz1]

Man I don’t like this at all.

Edit: maybe whoever this new guy is will be mj friendly though ​

Snowflakes will run to their safe spaces, just by looking at this big corn fed white hulking male. I'm sure they're seeing a skin head in this guy already. lol

 

[VRAMdemon]

Assuming that he is indicted and tried then found guilty. What then? He's still the President, so what happens after that?

I have been told over and over again that the investigation is being run by 17 angry Democrats. Perhaps one of them has a contingency plan in place

 

[VRAMdemon]

It ultimately depends on how much dirt there is to find, and how much of it points to Trump's kids.

The House can do their investigation in the open. Putting every piece of damning evidence into the public record. The State of New York can pursue criminal fraud cases against his kids that he can't pardon. Even if this shuts down Mueller, everything he's found so far can be released.

Nixon fired a bunch of the justice department too. Didn't save him.

 

[Muse]

I hope when Trump fires Mueller or it comes out that he's otherwise neutered his investigation that you'll be supporting impeachment with the rest of us.

A major problem with that is that the Reps have the Senate and they decide on impeachment. Your and our support of impeachment may not mean much. If some Reps in the Senate don't vote for impeachment "yea," Trump survives it.

It's a big stretch to be proud of the USA these days.

 

[Maxima1]

There is an argument to be made that the Vacancy Act cannot constitutionally apply here. But it is a long-shot, IMO.

No, Sessions should be seen as someone who didn't truly "resign". He was fired.

Also, considering what it's about, it appears inconsistent with the Appointments Clause.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appointments_Clause

The Appointments Clause confers plenary power to the President to nominate various officials. It also confers plenary power to the Senate to reject or confirm a nominee, through its advice and consent provision. As with other separation of powers provisions in the Constitution, the wording here seeks to ensure accountability and preempt tyranny.[1]

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Holy shit. No wonder Trump picked him.

Matthew Whitaker on @CNN, July 26, 2017: "I could see a scenario where Jeff Sessions is replaced, it would recess appointment and that attorney general doesn't fire Bob Mueller but he just reduces his budget to so low that his investigations grinds to almost a halt."

I wonder if it could be publicly funded by donations?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Remember when everyone on the right was up in arms because Peter Strzok expressed negative opinions of Trump in private? Have they been in yet to call for Whittaker to recuse himself due to his comments on the Mueller probe on TV the last year?

Ahh. I’m sure they will be along soon...

... any minute now

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Mueller can tell Whittaker to fuck off and die. He isn't in Mueller's chain of command. Even an interim AG has to be approved by the Senate, and Whittaker hasn't been.

Let the indictments flow freely!

Although..Whitaker is the Acting AG. That's the same role that Rosenstein had for the purposes of the Russia investigation.

There is an argument to be made that the Vacancy Act cannot constitutionally apply here. But it is a long-shot, IMO.

Vacancy Act wouldn’t matter anyway. An appointment is only valid until the end of the current session which is in two months. A month after the break when one could be appointed.

Edit. Oops I’m thinking of a recess appointment. Carry on.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Remember when everyone on the right was up in arms because Peter Strzok expressed negative opinions of Trump in private? Have they been in yet to call for Whittaker to recuse himself due to his comments on the Mueller probe on TV the last year?

Ahh. I’m sure they will be along soon...

... any minute now

Don’t waste your time they literally give no fucks.
It’s all about winning and ruling by their feels even though they make fun of others for it.
Comparisons like you just made aresmart observations but none of those guys give a fuck at all.

 

[Jhhnn]

Damn I’ve been working all day and haven’t heard, big news. I don’t like it either. Sessions did the right thing by recusing himself and although I don’t think much will come of it I support the Muehler investigation.

Puh-leeze! If there were nothing to come of it then Trump wouldn't be trying to kill the investigation. That's beyond obvious.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Maybe, maybe not. The investigation keeps the question in the forefront and questions his election legitimacy so I can see why he wants it gone even if he wasn’t involved. The American public deserves to know so the investigation needs to continue, it needs to hurry the hell up though.

 

[Fenixgoon]

and in relevant news, the now acting AG penned an op-ed last year about how mueller's investigation is going too far. absolutely no conflict of interest here. none. move along.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/06/opinions/rosenstein-should-curb-mueller-whittaker-opinion/index.html

edit: damnit, ninja'd by a longshot

Remember when everyone on the right was up in arms because Peter Strzok expressed negative opinions of Trump in private? Have they been in yet to call for Whittaker to recuse himself due to his comments on the Mueller probe on TV the last year?

Ahh. I’m sure they will be along soon...

... any minute now

 

[VRAMdemon]

Vacancy Act wouldn’t matter anyway. An appointment is only valid until the end of the current session which is in two months. A month after the break when one could be appointed.

Edit. Oops I’m thinking of a recess appointment. Carry on.

Yeah, to be honest..I'm not really sure either. Honestly I have a cynical view of this to begin with...

Everyone knew this was coming. But I'm not sure Mueller can do anything to stop Whitaker from hamstringing him. He can just cut his budget, deny him subpoenas, etc. You probably won't hear Mueller publicly complain. I doubt he would even make copies of investigative records so that Whitaker cannot destroy them. That might be illegal in his mind.

Mueller isn't going to be some secret left wing superhero. He is a standard Republican. He believes in the rule of law, but he isn't going to break any DOJ rules or go out of his way to get Trump. He isn't going to hide records in a personal safe somewhere so that the Democrats can subpoena them or hold a press conference when Whitaker refuses indictments. I sure he isn't going to play politics at all.

Will Whitaker or his replacement do all that? Maybe. Maybe not. I doubt we'll find out until months or years later. And, to be honest. it's possible that Mueller was ever going to matter. In a normal functioning political system, he might have. But what should be clear to all now is that this is just a knife fight. From the way it looks like now...No GOP'er is going to protect Mueller, much less take action based on Mueller's report. I just don't think Mueller is going to indict the President. He will make a report, maybe. I'm going to prepare myself for that type of outcome now. I hope I'm wrong

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe, maybe not. The investigation keeps the question in the forefront and questions his election legitimacy so I can see why he wants it gone even if he wasn’t involved. The American public deserves to know so the investigation needs to continue, it needs to hurry the hell up though.

Yeh, you probably would have said the same thing about Nixon's Saturday night massacre. It's bullshit.

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe, maybe not. The investigation keeps the question in the forefront and questions his election legitimacy so I can see why he wants it gone even if he wasn’t involved. The American public deserves to know so the investigation needs to continue, it needs to hurry the hell up though.

I’m genuinely curious as to why people keep saying it needs to hurry up. By special counsel standards it is moving at light speed.

Why not just say it’s done when it’s done? Isn’t that the right answer?