Israel Bombing footage

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Why are you guys so worried about 'civilian' casualties? They arnt! Never mind solely attacking Israeli civilians - Hamas and PLO and everything I hear from region says they 'love death more than we (or Israel) love life.' Seriously, shouldn't they be thanking the IDF for killing them? Not only do they get their wish they even get a reward in heaven for martyrdom which is greater than owning the earth and everything in it as the Holy Qu'ran describes it. Pretty good deal if you ask me..

Israel should really be getting funding from Hamas.

My idiocy meter, evil meter, and hypocrisy meter are battling one another, all off the charts.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Craig234
My idiocy meter, evil meter, and hypocrisy meter are battling one another, all off the charts.

I believe that your personal idiocy and hypocrisy meters have been pegged at maximum for quite some time now, haven't they?

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Craig234
My idiocy meter, evil meter, and hypocrisy meter are battling one another, all off the charts.

I believe that your personal idiocy and hypocrisy meters have been pegged at maximum for quite some time now, haven't they?

It's hard to keep those in check in times like these. My personal idiocy and hypocrisy meters give consistent false positives when within 10 meters of Zionist mouth-froth. I think that they over-compensate while desperately trying to increase the signal-to-noise ratio.

:roll:

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Craig234
My idiocy meter, evil meter, and hypocrisy meter are battling one another, all off the charts.

I believe that your personal idiocy and hypocrisy meters have been pegged at maximum for quite some time now, haven't they?

You will never convince a single one of us that you have not heard of Zionism and do not believe there are many Jews in Israel and in power in Israel who believe they are supreme to all other beings.. Beings GODS CHOSEN is their MYTH.. lol

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You study this all of this stuff.. so please.. don't play stupid :-(

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
How nice, attrocities documented.

Actually, the videos of Palestinians purposely blowing up women and children are on a different site.

How is that an atrocity?

They call it 'collateral damage' when we bomb women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan.

For once, I have to agree with jpayton. IDF bombs and planes killing innocents is no different than terrorists killing innocents. It's all the same, they just use better equipment and technology.

How nice for you to not have a clue as to why civilians get killed in wars.
They are not purposely targeting innocents. The same cannot be said for those lobbing rockets into Israel!!

Calm down and try to do some actual research before spouting off. Even a quick internet search would show that the casualty count is massively higher on the Palestinian side than the Israeli side. And in case you think they are all terrorists, compare the numbers of women and children killed.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Craig234
My idiocy meter, evil meter, and hypocrisy meter are battling one another, all off the charts.

I believe that your personal idiocy and hypocrisy meters have been pegged at maximum for quite some time now, haven't they?

You will never convince a single one of us that you have not heard of Zionism and do not believe there are many Jews in Israel and in power in Israel who believe they are supreme to all other beings.. Beings GODS CHOSEN is their MYTH.. lol

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You study this all of this stuff.. so please.. don't play stupid :-(

wth did my post have to do with "Zionism"!? I was merely calling Craig a hypocritical idiot, nothing more...

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Mani
Calm down and try to do some actual research before spouting off. Even a quick internet search would show that the casualty count is massively higher on the Palestinian side than the Israeli side. And in case you think they are all terrorists, compare the numbers of women and children killed.

You must have missed my post yesterday about intent being everything... or, are you actually claiming that Israel intends to kill innocent women and children?

If that's what you're point was, then it would certainly be an interesting theory -- one that would require some real evidence to back it up...

As far as high casualty counts on the Palestinian side are concerned, do you place any blame, at all, on the cowardly terrorists who are launching rockets from schools, mosques, housing areas, and other areas where they constantly endanger the civilians? Also, the figures I'm seeing state that roughly 85% of the deaths are militants. What that means to me is that there are an assload of terrorist scumbags in Gaza who need killing, and they are intentionally drawing fire on civilian areas.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: palehorse

You must have missed my post yesterday about intent being everything... or, are you actually claiming that Israel intends to kill innocent women and children?

They certainly started off with a bang (or a dozen).

Seems like the "ends justify the means" philosophy is running strong with God's chosen people. :roll:

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: palehorse

You must have missed my post yesterday about intent being everything... or, are you actually claiming that Israel intends to kill innocent women and children?

They certainly started off with a bang (or a dozen).

Seems like the "ends justify the means" philosophy is running strong with God's chosen people. :roll:

The article you link highlights the difference between Israel and its current enemies:

Irgun's tactics, which included bus and marketplace bombings, were condemned by both the British mandate authorities and the mainstream Jewish leadership, the Jewish Agency.

A little more on Irgun, prior to the the 1948 incident you linked:

Irgun attacks prompted a formal declaration from the World Zionist Congress in 1946, which strongly condemned "the shedding of innocent blood as a means of political warfare

I don't see Hamas public condemning the 1000 of rockets that have been launched over the past year. In fact i believe that Hamas is actively supporting such behavior.

Also the fact you have to stretch back to 1948 to find a despicable character such as Irgun in Isreal's past says a lot too.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: tvarad

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
.....
Deaths in Hiroshima & Nagasaki at 200,000.
South Vietnamese civilian dead: 1,581,000*
Cambodian civilian dead: ~700,000*
North Vietnamese civilian dead: ~3,000,000*
Laotian civilian dead: ~50,000*
First Gulf War Iraqi civilian dead: 113,000 civilians and 35,000 directly from US bombing(whole sales slaughtered 10 of thousands soldiers & civilians on the Highway of Death).
Afganishtan: direct deaths at least 4,800 - 6,873, and indirect deaths in initial invasion at 3,200 - 20,000.
Second Gulfwar Iraq: total >1000,000 deaths (in 2003 alone, 7299 civilians killed primarily by US air and ground forces).

Bush&Co Akba, Zionism Akba.....

Can you explain to me why the Japanese, Germans, Italians and Vietnamese who suffered so many casualites at the hands of the U.S. normalized their relations as did a number of other countries but the only ones that seem to bear a grudge are Arab or Muslim (if you count out whackos like Chavez)?

Not only that, can you also explain to me why so many millions of Arabs and Muslims have emigrated to the U.S. with hardly any type of emigration going in the opposite direction?

The same reason the US normalized relations with the country who abused them so badly they fought a revolutionary war against them.

Countries tend to do what they think is in their interest. Sometimes that's war, and sometimes that's having relations with a former enemy or even oppressor.

Are you trying to suggest that those were not atrocities - are you saying for example that if China today trades with Japan, all the war atrocities weren't really too bad?

As to your last question, the answer is simple - the US has a lot to offer in quality of life, including not being run by US-supported tyrants to secure the export of oil.

When Britain was ruling India, was it somehow proving they didn't do anything wrong if some Indian was happy to leave the slums of Bombay to live in London?

Don't go chasing non-sequitirs.

And you still haven't answered my question. Why is it that there is enormous goodwill for the U.S. at the people level itself, which goes beyond self-interest, in Japan, Germany, Italy, Vietnam etc. whereas Muslim/Arab countries which haven't experienced even a fraction of the destruction rained down on the former by the U.S., hold this visceral grudge against it? Why haven't Japanese, Germans, Italians, Vietnamese hijacked planes, brought down buildings with thousands in them, blown up trains and buses etc. to show their displeasure?

And I'm glad you brought India up. Because if there is one analogy to what the British did in Palestine, it is colonial India where they drew arbitrary borders and carved up the sub-continent with a meat cleaver. And Pakistan was the beneficiary just like Israel and India was the casualty. And yet it is Pakistanis who bear the grudge and blow up trains and buses, whereas Indians have excellent relations with and enormous goodwill towards Britain.

Something doesn't add up.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: palehorse

You must have missed my post yesterday about intent being everything... or, are you actually claiming that Israel intends to kill innocent women and children?

They certainly started off with a bang (or a dozen).

Seems like the "ends justify the means" philosophy is running strong with God's chosen people. :roll:

The article you link highlights the difference between Israel and its current enemies:

Irgun's tactics, which included bus and marketplace bombings, were condemned by both the British mandate authorities and the mainstream Jewish leadership, the Jewish Agency.

A little more on Irgun, prior to the the 1948 incident you linked:

Irgun attacks prompted a formal declaration from the World Zionist Congress in 1946, which strongly condemned "the shedding of innocent blood as a means of political warfare

I don't see Hamas public condemning the 1000 of rockets that have been launched over the past year. In fact i believe that Hamas is actively supporting such behavior.

Also the fact you have to stretch back to 1948 to find a despicable character such as Irgun in Isreal's past says a lot too.

Yeah, fuck the past. It has nothing to do with contemporary conflicts, or the future, since apes like you have such delightfully negligible short-term memory.

The Palestinian public hasn't vocally condemned the rockets, but they also haven't named international airports after terrorists.

Are the Israelis the only nation having elected terrorists and Nazi collaborators to high office? If not, you've got an ace up your sleeve there!

Let's finish this post with a prayer for freedom:


Unknown Soldiers are we, without uniform
And around us fear and the shadow of death
We have all been drafted for life.
Only death will discharge us from our ranks,

On red days of riots and blood
In the dark nights of despair
In towns and villages shall we raise our banner
On which are inscribed defence and conquest

We were not drafted by the whip, like a mob of slaves
To shed our blood in foreign lands
Our will is to be forever free
Our dream - to die for our country

From all directions, tens of thousands of obstacles
Cruel fate has placed on our path
But enemies, spies and prison houses
Will never be able to stop us

And if we fall in the streets and homes
We will be buried silently in the night
Thousands of others will fill our places
To protect and defend forever

With the tears of bereaved mothers
And the blood of pure babies
Like mortar shall we put together the cadaver building blocks
The edifice of the homeland shall we raise

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: fallout man
negligible short-term memory.

[/b]

How far back do you want to go? 50 years? 100 years? 200 years? 3000 years?

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: fallout man
negligible short-term memory.

[/b]

How far back do you want to go? 50 years? 100 years? 200 years? 3000 years?

How far back do you feel comfortable going? I'm only really concerned with the contemporary conflict, and the fact that I'm unwillingly funding war-crimes with my tax-dollars. Noah's kids fighting it out in the field doesn't concern me, but the suffering of those within my generation does.

What's your take?

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: palehorse

You must have missed my post yesterday about intent being everything... or, are you actually claiming that Israel intends to kill innocent women and children?

They certainly started off with a bang (or a dozen).

Seems like the "ends justify the means" philosophy is running strong with God's chosen people. :roll:

The article you link highlights the difference between Israel and its current enemies:

Irgun's tactics, which included bus and marketplace bombings, were condemned by both the British mandate authorities and the mainstream Jewish leadership, the Jewish Agency.

A little more on Irgun, prior to the the 1948 incident you linked:

Irgun attacks prompted a formal declaration from the World Zionist Congress in 1946, which strongly condemned "the shedding of innocent blood as a means of political warfare

I don't see Hamas public condemning the 1000 of rockets that have been launched over the past year. In fact i believe that Hamas is actively supporting such behavior.

Also the fact you have to stretch back to 1948 to find a despicable character such as Irgun in Isreal's past says a lot too.

Yeah, fuck the past. It has nothing to do with contemporary conflicts, or the future, since apes like you have such delightfully negligible short-term memory.

name calling already? Shall i suggest that you molest dogs in your spare time?

I didn't say 'fuck the past', but if you have to reach back 60+ years to find moral equivalence to justify actions. It should tell you at a minimum one side has actually moved on, and in this case grown up.

The Palestinian public hasn't vocally condemned the rockets, but they also haven't named international airports after terrorists.

I didn't mention the public, but the actually leadership of Hamas. Just like the example in the link you posted.

Are the Israelis the only nation having elected terrorists and Nazi collaborators to high office? If not, you've got an ace up your sleeve there!

Let's finish this post with a prayer for freedom:


Unknown Soldiers are we, without uniform
And around us fear and the shadow of death
We have all been drafted for life.
Only death will discharge us from our ranks,

On red days of riots and blood
In the dark nights of despair
In towns and villages shall we raise our banner
On which are inscribed defence and conquest

We were not drafted by the whip, like a mob of slaves
To shed our blood in foreign lands
Our will is to be forever free
Our dream - to die for our country

From all directions, tens of thousands of obstacles
Cruel fate has placed on our path
But enemies, spies and prison houses
Will never be able to stop us

And if we fall in the streets and homes
We will be buried silently in the night
Thousands of others will fill our places
To protect and defend forever

With the tears of bereaved mothers
And the blood of pure babies
Like mortar shall we put together the cadaver building blocks
The edifice of the homeland shall we raise

have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many months of struggle and suffering.
You ask, what is our policy? I say it is to wage war by land, sea, and air. War with all our might and with all the strength God has given us, and to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark and lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy.
You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word. It is victory. Victory at all costs - Victory in spite of all terrors - Victory, however long and hard the road may be, for without victory there is no survival.

Lets string up Winston Chruchill.

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure.

Oh and Tom Jefferson too.

After watching millions of your ethinic group be systematically executed and being expelled from nearly every country in the world - I can understand some one being willing to spill their own blood to found a country to be safe in and then write a song about it.


The simple solution to the conflict at hand is for Hamas to stop firing rockets and be a peaceful neighbor. That is it. It worked for Egypt, and they got their land back, so there is an actual history of Israel willing to give land back in exchange for peace.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

After watching [massive numbers] of your ethinic group be systematically executed and being expelled from [your land] - I can understand some one being willing to spill their own blood to found a country to be safe in and then write a song about it.

The IRONING.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: shrumpage

After watching [massive numbers] of your ethinic group be systematically executed and being expelled from [your land] - I can understand some one being willing to spill their own blood to found a country to be safe in and then write a song about it.

The IRONING.

It'll be ok, I promise.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: shrumpage

After watching [massive numbers] of your ethinic group be systematically executed and being expelled from [your land] - I can understand some one being willing to spill their own blood to found a country to be safe in and then write a song about it.

The IRONING.

It'll be ok, I promise.

You know, man:

This doesn't really affect me (yet). As I've written in the other thread, I have a very big issue with collective punishment.

That's all.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: shrumpage

After watching [massive numbers] of your ethinic group be systematically executed and being expelled from [your land] - I can understand some one being willing to spill their own blood to found a country to be safe in and then write a song about it.

The IRONING.

It'll be ok, I promise.

You know, man:

This doesn't really affect me (yet). As I've written in the other thread, I have a very big issue with collective punishment.

That's all.

They elected them democratically. Just because they have a democracy does not mean you cannot go to war with them. If the people support there firing rockets in the people are responsible for the governments actions. The shouldn't poke a tiger with a stick and expect the world to help. I don't want civilian causalities, but if it keeps Israel safe I won't cry over it. I am glad they are taking every step possible to minimize them, but war is hell and innocents will die, such is the nature of war.

Maybe in the upcoming election the Palestinian people will make the right choice.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: fallout man
negligible short-term memory.

[/b]

How far back do you want to go? 50 years? 100 years? 200 years? 3000 years?

How far back do you feel comfortable going? I'm only really concerned with the contemporary conflict, and the fact that I'm unwillingly funding war-crimes with my tax-dollars. Noah's kids fighting it out in the field doesn't concern me, but the suffering of those within my generation does.

What's your take?

Do you have any real proof of actual "war crimes" being committed by Israel during their current confrontation with Hamas? If so, please share them with the rest of the class...

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: RichardE

They elected them democratically. Just because they have a democracy does not mean you cannot go to war with them. If the people support there firing rockets in the people are responsible for the governments actions. The shouldn't poke a tiger with a stick and expect the world to help. I don't want civilian causalities, but if it keeps Israel safe I won't cry over it. I am glad they are taking every step possible to minimize them, but war is hell and innocents will die, such is the nature of war.

Maybe in the upcoming election the Palestinian people will make the right choice.

The following findings are for research purposes only, and are not used in clinical diagnosis. These items cover the affective, interpersonal, and behavioral features. Each item is rated on a score from zero to two. The sum total determines the extent of a person's psychopathy.

...
7. Callous / lack of empathy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath

 

[nixium]

Ok, too all that who scream Israeli actions are extreme, what kind of response would be considered "adequate"? Bear in mind that the fundamental fact of the matter is that rockets are being fired at a sovereign nation by a declared terrorist group.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: RichardE

They elected them democratically. Just because they have a democracy does not mean you cannot go to war with them. If the people support there firing rockets in the people are responsible for the governments actions. The shouldn't poke a tiger with a stick and expect the world to help. I don't want civilian causalities, but if it keeps Israel safe I won't cry over it. I am glad they are taking every step possible to minimize them, but war is hell and innocents will die, such is the nature of war.

Maybe in the upcoming election the Palestinian people will make the right choice.

The following findings are for research purposes only, and are not used in clinical diagnosis. These items cover the affective, interpersonal, and behavioral features. Each item is rated on a score from zero to two. The sum total determines the extent of a person's psychopathy.

...
7. Callous / lack of empathy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath

Do you cry when Taliban, and AQ are killed?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: RichardE

They elected them democratically. Just because they have a democracy does not mean you cannot go to war with them. If the people support there firing rockets in the people are responsible for the governments actions. The shouldn't poke a tiger with a stick and expect the world to help. I don't want civilian causalities, but if it keeps Israel safe I won't cry over it. I am glad they are taking every step possible to minimize them, but war is hell and innocents will die, such is the nature of war.

Maybe in the upcoming election the Palestinian people will make the right choice.

The following findings are for research purposes only, and are not used in clinical diagnosis. These items cover the affective, interpersonal, and behavioral features. Each item is rated on a score from zero to two. The sum total determines the extent of a person's psychopathy.

...
7. Callous / lack of empathy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath

Do you cry when Taliban, and AQ are killed?

You and I both know you are not a RETARD... so... what the fuck is wrong with your question you asked?

You CHEER innocent deaths... as witnessed by your "Look at us Super Jews and our super killing machines" thread here..

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Blackjack200

Originally posted by: RichardE

They elected them democratically. Just because they have a democracy does not mean you cannot go to war with them. If the people support there firing rockets in the people are responsible for the governments actions. The shouldn't poke a tiger with a stick and expect the world to help. I don't want civilian causalities, but if it keeps Israel safe I won't cry over it. I am glad they are taking every step possible to minimize them, but war is hell and innocents will die, such is the nature of war.

Maybe in the upcoming election the Palestinian people will make the right choice.

The following findings are for research purposes only, and are not used in clinical diagnosis. These items cover the affective, interpersonal, and behavioral features. Each item is rated on a score from zero to two. The sum total determines the extent of a person's psychopathy.

...
7. Callous / lack of empathy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath

Do you cry when Taliban, and AQ are killed?

You and I both know you are not a RETARD... so... what the fuck is wrong with your question you asked?

You CHEER innocent deaths... as witnessed by your "Look at us Super Jews and our super killing machines" thread here..

I never cheer innocent deaths, on the contrary I truly wish Hamas would fight on open terrain to protect there people in this war they started. Do you agree with that or do you think Hamas should stay in civilian areas in order to make it a *fair* fight? (which you bleeding hearts love to have!)

So do you cry when Taliban and AQ are killed? Or do you hate the US even more for killing those poor uneducated not understood man?

 

[maluckey]

OK,

to avoid all the Nancys and Harriets in the thread.........

The RATIONAL consensus is that Hamas started this round. The conversational dialogue stopped in this thread at that point.

All you military "geniuses" that haven't even been in a fistfight should sit and listen until you understand the reality of war. War sucks and people die....horribly, and at times in great numbers. It's a tragedy....yeah...we get it. We also get that not killing makes you feel better about what you are, but actually solves nothing in the face of a determined enemy (Imagine Hitler allowed to roam free while you complained that German civilians were killed). The only way to defeat an enemy is to take away either their ability to fight (a temporary solution), or the very will to fight. There has NEVER been another way.

Israel has so far concentrated on denial and mitigation of attacks against them. This tactic has served them up a nice steaming cup of FAIL for decades. The reality is an ugly truth that man is violent and will kill to suit his needs. You, I, Hamas and Israel all share the same humanity. The differences can be seen when you compare what one would do to the other if given the chance without restrictions.

Does anyone doubt that Israel could wipe the West Bank off of the map? Why haven't they? Answer this and the whole situation is clear.