is the USA becoming less tolerant of sexual diversity?

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Kirby

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I swear you are the only gay person I know of that I dislike, with perhaps the exception of Rosie O'Donnell.
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Will & Grace milked every single gay joke/situation imaginable, thus its no longer interesting. You talk of having a gay person on national TV, but most of the time its only to explot their "gayness" in comedic situations. They're always known as the "gay" guy. If anything, it subconsciously makes sexual identity the ONLY identity people attached to homosexuals.

I can agree with that. the ideal, I guess, would be to see gay characters where their homosexuality wasn't notable and was just a sideline or small part of their character.

or not really present at all, because frankly, the audience cares about CHARACTER flaws which encompass much more than just sexuality.

This is the burden of the minority, when yo'ure on tv, your minority status WILL be exploited. mainstream viewers expect this , and if you're begging to be on tv then you're going to get it. if gays are prepared to be teh trained monkey that dances, go right ahead.

it's not an issue of 'begging to be on tv'. I am more wondering at social or political conditions that would result in a pressure (on producers or networks) to reduce the number of gay characters on television. maybe this pressure exists, maybe it doesn't.


and maybe your cause fell by the wayside as has sooo many others...

Look at the 80's...
Normal white people shows... Full House, Perfect Strangers, Growing Pains, All in the Family, Mash, Mama's Family...

Then came the flood of African american shows...
BET, Family Matters, Hanging with Mister Cooper, Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Living Single

Then... it just died out... because people were sick of having the racial issue thrusted to them...
the same thing is happening today with sexuality on TV... all across the board.

and now were into the reality TV decade...


Originally posted by: Mo0o
tv producers aren't social activists

:thumbsup:
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
this thread is a friggen train wreck

no, it isn't a train wreck. a thread doesn't have to be perfectly neat and ordered and on topic to be useful.

the only useful thing about this thread is that it is serving to create a rift between you and the community...

I was trying TO FVKING HELP YOU OUT AND KEEP YOU FVKING DIGNITY but whatfvkingever..


*drops the mic and walks off-stage*

I am just trying to understand peoples' responses to me. I don't really care if this looks undignified. also, I don't really feel a strong need to have everyone like me.

Everyone has repeated time and time again, in not so clear terms mind you, that TV is this mythical place were logic doesn't exist. All that matters is that it has drama and action.


Look at Six feet under. Arguably one of the pinnacles in HBO's long run, and almsot no one will argue against it. why?

BECAUSE IT WAS GOOD TV.


*takes a chill pill*



dude.....I apologize for being rather...for showing my fangs, but you jsut come off as really persistent and annoying...like a salesman.

Frankly, some people like myself, see that you are creating a rift for not only yourself, but for the issue that you are "speaking up for" and we'd rather the discussion end than see you tarnish the reputation of others.

Yes. But I should have the right to be a douchebag :p and not have it reflect on other gay people. Afterall, when certain other 'trolls' or douchebags on this forum make their annoying posts, people don't immediately extrapolate that behavior to all straight people.


Originally posted by: Goosemaster
If anything, the issue of the inclusion, or lack thereof, of the homosexual culture is a valid topic, but it also assume that all homosexuals are the same....as if all heteros are as well :p

my point is, I have no point, my stomach is rumbling I was pissed off at someone else about something unrelated to this and I saw a chance to take it out on somebody.


I apologize.

there is no need for you to apologize.

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Yes. But I should have the right to be a douchebag :p and not have it reflect on other gay people. Afterall, when certain other 'trolls' or douchebags on this forum make their annoying posts, people don't immediately extrapolate that behavior to all straight people.
Those straight douchebags don't try to justify their douchebag-ness on the fact that they're straight. In other words, you force your actions to reflect on other gay people.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: aidanjm
is your sexuality also a private thing? or is it only gay people who have to stay silent? a very high proportion of the posts here revolve around aspects of sexuality (relationships, dating, sex, whatever).


if you don't care, then why make such a fuss? what you really seem to be saying is "I will continue to talk about my heterosexual life, but gay people shut up"

I would disagree. I feel the same way sao123 feels, but I don't talk about my sex life with pretty much anyone other than my significant other (doctor's being a natural exception). My sex life is at home and stays there. I don't care to hear about anyone's sex life, heterosexual or homosexual. I tell people the same thing, "I don't want to hear about it." If you've got some type of problem, talk to a professional. It's not that I'm trying to be rude or sound insensitive, but really. It's between a person and their significant other. No one else needs to be involved.

your response references your heterosexuality - the fact you have a wife. Perhaps you should have carefully removed the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of your partner before hitting "post"..? or else you risk appearing hypocrital

Pardon me.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
this thread is a friggen train wreck

no, it isn't a train wreck. a thread doesn't have to be perfectly neat and ordered and on topic to be useful.

the only useful thing about this thread is that it is serving to create a rift between you and the community...

I was trying TO FVKING HELP YOU OUT AND KEEP YOU FVKING DIGNITY but whatfvkingever..


*drops the mic and walks off-stage*

I am just trying to understand peoples' responses to me. I don't really care if this looks undignified. also, I don't really feel a strong need to have everyone like me.

Everyone has repeated time and time again, in not so clear terms mind you, that TV is this mythical place were logic doesn't exist. All that matters is that it has drama and action.


Look at Six feet under. Arguably one of the pinnacles in HBO's long run, and almsot no one will argue against it. why?

BECAUSE IT WAS GOOD TV.


*takes a chill pill*



dude.....I apologize for being rather...for showing my fangs, but you jsut come off as really persistent and annoying...like a salesman.

Frankly, some people like myself, see that you are creating a rift for not only yourself, but for the issue that you are "speaking up for" and we'd rather the discussion end than see you tarnish the reputation of others.

Yes. But I should have the right to be a douchebag :p and not have it reflect on other gay people. Afterall, when certain other 'trolls' or douchebags on this forum make their annoying posts, people don't immediately extrapolate that behavior to all straight people.


Originally posted by: Goosemaster
If anything, the issue of the inclusion, or lack thereof, of the homosexual culture is a valid topic, but it also assume that all homosexuals are the same....as if all heteros are as well :p

my point is, I have no point, my stomach is rumbling I was pissed off at someone else about something unrelated to this and I saw a chance to take it out on somebody.


I apologize.

there is no need for you to apologize.

:confused:


um....are you TRYING to make us hate you?
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: aidanjm
is your sexuality also a private thing? or is it only gay people who have to stay silent? a very high proportion of the posts here revolve around aspects of sexuality (relationships, dating, sex, whatever).


if you don't care, then why make such a fuss? what you really seem to be saying is "I will continue to talk about my heterosexual life, but gay people shut up"

I would disagree. I feel the same way sao123 feels, but I don't talk about my sex life with pretty much anyone other than my wife (doctor's being a natural exception). My sex life is at home and stays there. I don't care to hear about anyone's sex life, heterosexual or homosexual. I tell people the same thing, "I don't want to hear about it." If you've got some type of problem, talk to a professional. It's not that I'm trying to be rude or sound insensitive, but really. It's between a person and their significant other. No one else needs to be involved.

your response references your heterosexuality - the fact you have a wife. Perhaps you should have carefully removed the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of your partner before hitting "post"..? or else you risk appearing hypocrital


Wow... I cant even begin to forumlate a responce to the stupidity in this post...

Yeah his post was really meant to draw attention to the fact that he has a wife...
Congratulations engineereeyore you just "Came out of the closet"...

:laugh:

I CAN BREATH NOW!!! OH THE LIBERATION!!!
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
this thread is a friggen train wreck

no, it isn't a train wreck. a thread doesn't have to be perfectly neat and ordered and on topic to be useful.

the only useful thing about this thread is that it is serving to create a rift between you and the community...

I was trying TO FVKING HELP YOU OUT AND KEEP YOU FVKING DIGNITY but whatfvkingever..


*drops the mic and walks off-stage*

I am just trying to understand peoples' responses to me. I don't really care if this looks undignified. also, I don't really feel a strong need to have everyone like me.

Quite the opposite, you seem to feel a strong need to have everyone dislike you.

no, I get along OK with left leaning folks on this forum. I can't remember a single clash with such a person. it's mostly the cultural conservatives who seem outraged by my posting style.

I would be described as left-leaning, and we have clashed.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Mo0o
Will & Grace milked every single gay joke/situation imaginable, thus its no longer interesting. You talk of having a gay person on national TV, but most of the time its only to explot their "gayness" in comedic situations. They're always known as the "gay" guy. If anything, it subconsciously makes sexual identity the ONLY identity people attached to homosexuals.
Which is exactly why aidanjm is horrified by the lack of gay people on TV. He's a hollow shell of a person with no identifying traits other than the fact that he's gay. His whole self image is tied up in his sexuality.

Sometimes I wonder if he's actually gay at all. And if he is, he's probably just gay because it's fashionable, and not because he's actually attracted to men. If his sexuality was a part of who he actually was rather than a false veneer he took on for attention, I don't think he'd make such a big deal out of it. The gay people I know certainly don't.
 

mrSHEiK124

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Mar 6, 2004
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.
I wonder why this is happening.

It's because you're militantly and flamboyantly homosexual and love to make witty references to that fact at every passing minute. It's got nothing to do with the fact that you're gay, you've got problems in your head, and not the one in your pants.

Originally posted by: nkgreen
I swear you are the only gay person I know of that I dislike, with perhaps the exception of Rosie O'Donnell.

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Will & Grace milked every single gay joke/situation imaginable, thus its no longer interesting. You talk of having a gay person on national TV, but most of the time its only to explot their "gayness" in comedic situations. They're always known as the "gay" guy. If anything, it subconsciously makes sexual identity the ONLY identity people attached to homosexuals.
Which is exactly why aidanjm is horrified by the lack of gay people on TV. He's a hollow shell of a person with no identifying traits other than the fact that he's gay. His whole self image is tied up in his sexuality.

Sometimes I wonder if he's actually gay at all. And if he is, he's probably just gay because it's fashionable, and not because he's actually attracted to men. If his sexuality was a part of who he actually was rather than a false veneer he took on for attention, I don't think he'd make such a big deal out of it. The gay people I know certainly don't.

 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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A now famous quote, slightyl modified for the situation:
I dont hate you because you're "XYZ". I hate you because you think I hate "XYZ".

Go outside man. Live life instead of crying about it.

Also, BoberFett was a little harsh but I agree with him.

You walking up to me and saying "I'M GAY!" has about the same effect as me walking up to you and saying "I'M STRAIGHT!".
Its just irritating, not progressive or enlightened.
 

ElFenix

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i'll note that adam and jamie are still on the air. in fact, they're trying to bust a myth that was already proven by top gear.
 

hellokeith

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.

There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?

Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.

I wonder why this is happening.

1 Corinthians 6
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.


aidanjm,

You are living a deceived lifestyle.:(

But a new life awaits you..

11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. :sun:
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives.
By small number I assume you mean a very, very large number.
I wonder why this is happening.

Most people aren't gay, don't understand it, are disgusted by it, and in general, homosexuals are a very vocal minority.

It's the noisy gay people that are ruining it for the others. None of the gay people I've ever met have been overbearing or even mentioned it, yet it's thrown in our faces all of the time. You're a small minority. You don't deserve equal air time. Get over it.

That said, while homosexuality between guys is pretty darned nasty, I support their right to be who they are, and I completely oppose any agenda to push them "back in to the closet".

 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.

There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?

Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.

I wonder why this is happening.

It doesn't bother me that you're gay. You can post as many threads on gay topics as you like as far as I'm concerned.

It does seem like there is a lot of anti-gay sentiment though...more so than there used to be. I think the mods just don't crack down on it as much anymore.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
It doesn't bother me that you're gay. You can post as many threads on gay topics as you like as far as I'm concerned.

It does seem like there is a lot of anti-gay sentiment though...more so than there used to be. I think the mods just don't crack down on it as much anymore.

It's not anti-gay sentiment, it's anti-aidanjm sentiment. You should try reading more than just the OP before you post in a days-old thread.
 

nageov3t

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because Will and Grace went off the air.

/shrug

and good riddance... that show was pretty offensive to gays.
 

So

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Originally posted by: nkgreen
I swear you are the only gay person I know of that I dislike, with perhaps the exception of Rosie O'Donnell.

Agreed.

Basically, in a nushell, it is my opinion that you're a prick Aidanjm. This has nothing to do with your sexual orientation, and everything to do with your general attitude around here.
 

SolMiester

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Well, I hate gays so there, I'm not ashamed of it either, its just not right period.
 

Siddhartha

Lifer
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.

There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?

Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.

I wonder why this is happening.

Yes ATOT is homophobic and thinks that only heterosexuals should post here.
 

b0mbrman

Lifer
Jun 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.

There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?

Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.

I wonder why this is happening.

I'm actually very accepting of gay people.

I suppose that makes me a better person, but that's not why I do it.
 

Aikouka

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Nov 27, 2001
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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The cheerleader's friend, Zack. I don't know how gay he was to begin with, though.

There were lots of references to him being gay... I don't know how you missed it >_>. Such as the line where Jackie said they only have one crown, etc.

Dude, ai-dude, your list totally leaves out "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" and "The L Word" :p.

Originally posted by: aidanjm
your response references your heterosexuality - the fact you have a wife. Perhaps you should have carefully removed the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of your partner before hitting "post"..? or else you risk appearing hypocrital

What is he supposed to call her? A Marital Life Partner?

Originally posted by: mugs
People don't care that you're a homosexual. People get annoyed because you're a militant homosexual.

I can see that. People like females, but there's a somewhat strong dislike for feminazis.

Originally posted by: sao123
Then came the flood of African american shows...
BET, Family Matters, Hanging with Mister Cooper, Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Living Single

Then... it just died out... because people were sick of having the racial issue thrusted to them...
the same thing is happening today with sexuality on TV... all across the board.

I liked a lot of those shows :(.

Originally posted by: aidanjm
Yes. But I should have the right to be a douchebag :p and not have it reflect on other gay people. Afterall, when certain other 'trolls' or douchebags on this forum make their annoying posts, people don't immediately extrapolate that behavior to all straight people.

Personally I don't recall any of your threads, but from what it sounds like... it's your agenda that they dislike and your agenda happens to deal with your orientation. The annoying salesman metaphor earlier probably works the best. The guy keeps throwing it in your face... you say "no" or "I don't care", but they are relentless in constant exposure.

But I am a bit annoyed with how you've acted in this thread, and if this thread is any bit indicative of how you act in others, I can understand why people get angry at you.

That other guy.. I can't remember his full username, so I'll call him Mr. Z seems to be a pretty cool guy overall and I think all the other members (for the most part I'd assume) respect him even though he has a differing orientation.
 

Zysoclaplem

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I don't think the American public does it on purpose, but homosexuality just isn't interesting enough to sell a TV Show anymore.
In the beginning, it was a young, fresh and new idea full of promise.
But now the novelty has worn off and it's just kinda boring.
Straight men and women for the most part just aren't interested in gay culture. I'm not even all that interested.
I'd rather watch DBZ or Family Guy than QAF, OZ, GEFTSG, Will and Grace, or any other gay themed shows.

As for people getting on to you about mentioning your life, don't worry about it.
If you didn't mention it someone would bring it up for you...lol.