Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Will & Grace milked every single gay joke/situation imaginable, thus its no longer interesting. You talk of having a gay person on national TV, but most of the time its only to explot their "gayness" in comedic situations. They're always known as the "gay" guy. If anything, it subconsciously makes sexual identity the ONLY identity people attached to homosexuals.
I can agree with that. the ideal, I guess, would be to see gay characters where their homosexuality wasn't notable and was just a sideline or small part of their character.
or not really present at all, because frankly, the audience cares about CHARACTER flaws which encompass much more than just sexuality.
This is the burden of the minority, when yo'ure on tv, your minority status WILL be exploited. mainstream viewers expect this , and if you're begging to be on tv then you're going to get it. if gays are prepared to be teh trained monkey that dances, go right ahead.
it's not an issue of 'begging to be on tv'. I am more wondering at social or political conditions that would result in a pressure (on producers or networks) to reduce the number of gay characters on television. maybe this pressure exists, maybe it doesn't.
Originally posted by: Mo0o
tv producers aren't social activists
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
this thread is a friggen train wreck
no, it isn't a train wreck. a thread doesn't have to be perfectly neat and ordered and on topic to be useful.
the only useful thing about this thread is that it is serving to create a rift between you and the community...
I was trying TO FVKING HELP YOU OUT AND KEEP YOU FVKING DIGNITY but whatfvkingever..
*drops the mic and walks off-stage*
I am just trying to understand peoples' responses to me. I don't really care if this looks undignified. also, I don't really feel a strong need to have everyone like me.
Everyone has repeated time and time again, in not so clear terms mind you, that TV is this mythical place were logic doesn't exist. All that matters is that it has drama and action.
Look at Six feet under. Arguably one of the pinnacles in HBO's long run, and almsot no one will argue against it. why?
BECAUSE IT WAS GOOD TV.
*takes a chill pill*
dude.....I apologize for being rather...for showing my fangs, but you jsut come off as really persistent and annoying...like a salesman.
Frankly, some people like myself, see that you are creating a rift for not only yourself, but for the issue that you are "speaking up for" and we'd rather the discussion end than see you tarnish the reputation of others.
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
If anything, the issue of the inclusion, or lack thereof, of the homosexual culture is a valid topic, but it also assume that all homosexuals are the same....as if all heteros are as well
my point is, I have no point, my stomach is rumbling I was pissed off at someone else about something unrelated to this and I saw a chance to take it out on somebody.
I apologize.
Those straight douchebags don't try to justify their douchebag-ness on the fact that they're straight. In other words, you force your actions to reflect on other gay people.Originally posted by: aidanjm
Yes. But I should have the right to be a douchebagand not have it reflect on other gay people. Afterall, when certain other 'trolls' or douchebags on this forum make their annoying posts, people don't immediately extrapolate that behavior to all straight people.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: aidanjm
is your sexuality also a private thing? or is it only gay people who have to stay silent? a very high proportion of the posts here revolve around aspects of sexuality (relationships, dating, sex, whatever).
if you don't care, then why make such a fuss? what you really seem to be saying is "I will continue to talk about my heterosexual life, but gay people shut up"
I would disagree. I feel the same way sao123 feels, but I don't talk about my sex life with pretty much anyone other than my significant other (doctor's being a natural exception). My sex life is at home and stays there. I don't care to hear about anyone's sex life, heterosexual or homosexual. I tell people the same thing, "I don't want to hear about it." If you've got some type of problem, talk to a professional. It's not that I'm trying to be rude or sound insensitive, but really. It's between a person and their significant other. No one else needs to be involved.
your response references your heterosexuality - the fact you have a wife. Perhaps you should have carefully removed the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of your partner before hitting "post"..? or else you risk appearing hypocrital
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
this thread is a friggen train wreck
no, it isn't a train wreck. a thread doesn't have to be perfectly neat and ordered and on topic to be useful.
the only useful thing about this thread is that it is serving to create a rift between you and the community...
I was trying TO FVKING HELP YOU OUT AND KEEP YOU FVKING DIGNITY but whatfvkingever..
*drops the mic and walks off-stage*
I am just trying to understand peoples' responses to me. I don't really care if this looks undignified. also, I don't really feel a strong need to have everyone like me.
Everyone has repeated time and time again, in not so clear terms mind you, that TV is this mythical place were logic doesn't exist. All that matters is that it has drama and action.
Look at Six feet under. Arguably one of the pinnacles in HBO's long run, and almsot no one will argue against it. why?
BECAUSE IT WAS GOOD TV.
*takes a chill pill*
dude.....I apologize for being rather...for showing my fangs, but you jsut come off as really persistent and annoying...like a salesman.
Frankly, some people like myself, see that you are creating a rift for not only yourself, but for the issue that you are "speaking up for" and we'd rather the discussion end than see you tarnish the reputation of others.
Yes. But I should have the right to be a douchebagand not have it reflect on other gay people. Afterall, when certain other 'trolls' or douchebags on this forum make their annoying posts, people don't immediately extrapolate that behavior to all straight people.
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
If anything, the issue of the inclusion, or lack thereof, of the homosexual culture is a valid topic, but it also assume that all homosexuals are the same....as if all heteros are as well
my point is, I have no point, my stomach is rumbling I was pissed off at someone else about something unrelated to this and I saw a chance to take it out on somebody.
I apologize.
there is no need for you to apologize.
Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: aidanjm
is your sexuality also a private thing? or is it only gay people who have to stay silent? a very high proportion of the posts here revolve around aspects of sexuality (relationships, dating, sex, whatever).
if you don't care, then why make such a fuss? what you really seem to be saying is "I will continue to talk about my heterosexual life, but gay people shut up"
I would disagree. I feel the same way sao123 feels, but I don't talk about my sex life with pretty much anyone other than my wife (doctor's being a natural exception). My sex life is at home and stays there. I don't care to hear about anyone's sex life, heterosexual or homosexual. I tell people the same thing, "I don't want to hear about it." If you've got some type of problem, talk to a professional. It's not that I'm trying to be rude or sound insensitive, but really. It's between a person and their significant other. No one else needs to be involved.
your response references your heterosexuality - the fact you have a wife. Perhaps you should have carefully removed the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of your partner before hitting "post"..? or else you risk appearing hypocrital
Wow... I cant even begin to forumlate a responce to the stupidity in this post...
Yeah his post was really meant to draw attention to the fact that he has a wife...
Congratulations engineereeyore you just "Came out of the closet"...
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
this thread is a friggen train wreck
no, it isn't a train wreck. a thread doesn't have to be perfectly neat and ordered and on topic to be useful.
the only useful thing about this thread is that it is serving to create a rift between you and the community...
I was trying TO FVKING HELP YOU OUT AND KEEP YOU FVKING DIGNITY but whatfvkingever..
*drops the mic and walks off-stage*
I am just trying to understand peoples' responses to me. I don't really care if this looks undignified. also, I don't really feel a strong need to have everyone like me.
Quite the opposite, you seem to feel a strong need to have everyone dislike you.
no, I get along OK with left leaning folks on this forum. I can't remember a single clash with such a person. it's mostly the cultural conservatives who seem outraged by my posting style.
Which is exactly why aidanjm is horrified by the lack of gay people on TV. He's a hollow shell of a person with no identifying traits other than the fact that he's gay. His whole self image is tied up in his sexuality.Originally posted by: Mo0o
Will & Grace milked every single gay joke/situation imaginable, thus its no longer interesting. You talk of having a gay person on national TV, but most of the time its only to explot their "gayness" in comedic situations. They're always known as the "gay" guy. If anything, it subconsciously makes sexual identity the ONLY identity people attached to homosexuals.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.
I wonder why this is happening.
Originally posted by: nkgreen
I swear you are the only gay person I know of that I dislike, with perhaps the exception of Rosie O'Donnell.
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Which is exactly why aidanjm is horrified by the lack of gay people on TV. He's a hollow shell of a person with no identifying traits other than the fact that he's gay. His whole self image is tied up in his sexuality.Originally posted by: Mo0o
Will & Grace milked every single gay joke/situation imaginable, thus its no longer interesting. You talk of having a gay person on national TV, but most of the time its only to explot their "gayness" in comedic situations. They're always known as the "gay" guy. If anything, it subconsciously makes sexual identity the ONLY identity people attached to homosexuals.
Sometimes I wonder if he's actually gay at all. And if he is, he's probably just gay because it's fashionable, and not because he's actually attracted to men. If his sexuality was a part of who he actually was rather than a false veneer he took on for attention, I don't think he'd make such a big deal out of it. The gay people I know certainly don't.
I dont hate you because you're "XYZ". I hate you because you think I hate "XYZ".
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.
There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?
Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.
I wonder why this is happening.
By small number I assume you mean a very, very large number.Originally posted by: aidanjm
There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives.
I wonder why this is happening.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.
There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?
Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.
I wonder why this is happening.
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
It doesn't bother me that you're gay. You can post as many threads on gay topics as you like as far as I'm concerned.
It does seem like there is a lot of anti-gay sentiment though...more so than there used to be. I think the mods just don't crack down on it as much anymore.
Originally posted by: nkgreen
I swear you are the only gay person I know of that I dislike, with perhaps the exception of Rosie O'Donnell.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.
There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?
Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.
I wonder why this is happening.
Originally posted by: buck
Ya, hes not as friendly as he was before....
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.
There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?
Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.
I wonder why this is happening.
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The cheerleader's friend, Zack. I don't know how gay he was to begin with, though.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
your response references your heterosexuality - the fact you have a wife. Perhaps you should have carefully removed the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of your partner before hitting "post"..? or else you risk appearing hypocrital
Originally posted by: mugs
People don't care that you're a homosexual. People get annoyed because you're a militant homosexual.
Originally posted by: sao123
Then came the flood of African american shows...
BET, Family Matters, Hanging with Mister Cooper, Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Living Single
Then... it just died out... because people were sick of having the racial issue thrusted to them...
the same thing is happening today with sexuality on TV... all across the board.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Yes. But I should have the right to be a douchebagand not have it reflect on other gay people. Afterall, when certain other 'trolls' or douchebags on this forum make their annoying posts, people don't immediately extrapolate that behavior to all straight people.
