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aidanjm

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Bullsht. There's no double standard. Casually mentioning that your significant other is a boyfriend isn't a problem.

Well, actually it is a problem for a very noisy minority of people here, who characterize such casual comments as "flaunting" (apparently a bad thing) one's homosexual orientation. Of course, equivalent comments by heterosexual people go unnoticed - which clearly illustrates the existence of the double standard. The fact that you say you don't see it means either you are clueless, or you are dishonest.

Originally posted by: BoberFett
What annoys people is the fact that you can't seem to discuss anything without relating it to homosexuality.

"Hey, I'm having trouble deciding whether to buy this new video card now or if I should wait until the next generation is out. By the way, I'm gay if that makes a difference."

In other words, you're a douche.

a claim does not become true just because people such as yourself keep repeating it. As I've pointed out in the past (and demonstrated by counting up the number of my own posts over a period of time and calculating the percentage of those posts which referenced sexual orientation), the majority of my posts don't pertain to sexual orientation in any way. the idea that I do not discuss anything "without relating it to homosexuality" is equally inaccurate.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: FilmCamera
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.

There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?

Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.

I wonder why this is happening.

It happens because you try to force your stupid militant gay agenda on everyone and everything. And people are tired of it. So STFU.

I'd be curious to know exactly how I "force" my 'millitant' agenda upon you or others, do explain.

I'd also be amused to hear why you think I would care much that you would like me to "STFU" - afterall, you're just another low IQ internet buffoon, it's not like you are speaking from a position of moral authority or power.
 

TehMac

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Its amusing to see the OP just rant on and on, he's only confirming everyone's opinion he's an asshole. And your warped sexuality is NOTHING to be proud of, or announced out loud. Just thought you needed to know that ;)
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
um, does it not occur to you that my comment was sarcastic in nature? Yes, it is ridiculous to expect engineereeyore to "carefully remove the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of his partner" from his post. and yet that is more or less what he expects gay people to do. when straight people talk about sex (as happens on this forum all the time - it occurs in almost every thread, in the form of either serious comments or jokes or quips) it is just people talking about their life, but when a gay person makes a reference to their sex life, then it is considered to be deliberately drawing attention to their sexual orientation ("Flaunting their sexuality"). This is an absurd double standard.

That couldn't be farther from the truth. Using the term wife, husband, spouse, significant other, life partner, whatever, is not "flaunging your sexuality". You are truly pathetic. I don't care if you use those terms. For crying out loud, are you trying to say that if there was a town full of all straight people and they used the terms 'wife' or 'husband' that they'd be flaunting their sexuality? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

I don't care if people use those words. You can't live life without using them. You can't even get an insurance quote without using one or more. Your comment is just absurd.

I stated that I don't want to hear anything about your sex life, though I think it's pretty obvious that every individual over the age of, say 20, has a sex life, even if it's only with themself. So I wouldn't consider that flaunting. That's just common sense. Can you honestly tell me anything about my sex life from the comments I made? Tell me how often I have sex, what positions I like, what kinki things we like to do? That's what I'm talking about by I don't want to hear about it. I don't share those things with other people and I don't want to hear about things like that from other people either.

Perhaps I should no longer be able to put my arm around my wife either. People might think we're heterosexual. :shocked:

And no, this time I am not going to go back and change the 'my wife' phrase. This time you're just going to get over it.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: aidanjm
um, does it not occur to you that my comment was sarcastic in nature? Yes, it is ridiculous to expect engineereeyore to "carefully remove the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of his partner" from his post. and yet that is more or less what he expects gay people to do. when straight people talk about sex (as happens on this forum all the time - it occurs in almost every thread, in the form of either serious comments or jokes or quips) it is just people talking about their life, but when a gay person makes a reference to their sex life, then it is considered to be deliberately drawing attention to their sexual orientation ("Flaunting their sexuality"). This is an absurd double standard.

That couldn't be farther from the truth. Using the term wife, husband, spouse, significant other, life partner, whatever, is not "flaunging your sexuality". You are truly pathetic. I don't care if you use those terms. For crying out loud, are you trying to say that if there was a town full of all straight people and they used the terms 'wife' or 'husband' that they'd be flaunting their sexuality? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

you appear not to comprehend what I am saying, so there probably isn't much point continuing the conversation.

snip drivel


Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Can you honestly tell me anything about my sex life from the comments I made? Tell me how often I have sex, what positions I like, what kinki things we like to do? That's what I'm talking about by I don't want to hear about it. I don't share those things with other people and I don't want to hear about things like that from other people either.

why are you telling me this? you don't know how often I have sex, what positions I prefer etc. - these are not things I am discussing. but feel free to raise your objections in the numerous threads here where people do discuss the frequency of their (heterosexual) sexual encounters, frequency of masturbation, and so on.
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
you appear not to comprehend what I am saying, so there probably isn't much point continuing the conversation.

That seems to be a common consensus among that who read your rants. The only thing anyone comprehends is that they're sick of hearing about your homosexuality. It's people like you that make me ashamed of having vote AGAINST an amendment banning gay marriage in my state. Trust me, won't happen again.

why are you telling me this? you don't know how often I have sex, what positions I prefer etc. - these are not things I am discussing. but feel free to raise your objections in the numerous threads here where people do discuss the frequency of their (heterosexual) sexual encounters, frequency of masturbation, and so on.

I know you're not discussing them. I won't post on your thread if you did. That's all I'm saying or have ever said. I don't want or need to hear about any of that information from anyone, nor will I provide it to anyone. Details of a sexual relationship should remain between the two (or whatever) people involved. There is a big difference between saying things like that and commenting on having a 'wife'. I have never claimed to have a problem with people using all of those terms that I listed previously. What I do have a problem with is people speaking out about being heterosexual or homosexual. Keep it in the house. I don't care to hear about it.

The fact that you associate saying 'I have a wife' as being the same as saying 'I'm heterosexual' is your problem. Don't like, I don't care. Call me a hypocrite or whatever else you want. I can promise you, it won't change a dang thing.

 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
um, does it not occur to you that my comment was sarcastic in nature? Yes, it is ridiculous to expect engineereeyore to "carefully remove the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of his partner" from his post. and yet that is more or less what he expects gay people to do. when straight people talk about sex (as happens on this forum all the time - it occurs in almost every thread, in the form of either serious comments or jokes or quips) it is just people talking about their life, but when a gay person makes a reference to their sex life, then it is considered to be deliberately drawing attention to their sexual orientation ("Flaunting their sexuality"). This is an absurd double standard.

you don't get it. no one here cares about your sexuality, or anyone else's sexuality. you're getting ragged on because you're a douchebag, just like PAB, goku/phillipinemango, jlgatsby, and all the other douchebags we've had in the past.
 

Cabages

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Well spoken. This guy is a flaming homosexual.

Ya, seriously. This guy reminds me of my brother, which isnt a good thing.

To me if the US is becoming less tolerant of sexual diversity, its a good thing.
 

IGBT

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..dialog and story development based on bathroom habits or bedroom habits of any orientation is boring and predictible. Many people don't watch sitcoms or TV altogether. They may rent a few movies a week and that's all they have time for. TV isn't the end all for viewing entertainment. People find viewing diversity else where.
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: aidanjm
um, does it not occur to you that my comment was sarcastic in nature? Yes, it is ridiculous to expect engineereeyore to "carefully remove the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of his partner" from his post. and yet that is more or less what he expects gay people to do. when straight people talk about sex (as happens on this forum all the time - it occurs in almost every thread, in the form of either serious comments or jokes or quips) it is just people talking about their life, but when a gay person makes a reference to their sex life, then it is considered to be deliberately drawing attention to their sexual orientation ("Flaunting their sexuality"). This is an absurd double standard.

That couldn't be farther from the truth. Using the term wife, husband, spouse, significant other, life partner, whatever, is not "flaunging your sexuality". You are truly pathetic. I don't care if you use those terms. For crying out loud, are you trying to say that if there was a town full of all straight people and they used the terms 'wife' or 'husband' that they'd be flaunting their sexuality? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

you appear not to comprehend what I am saying, so there probably isn't much point continuing the conversation.

snip drivel


Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Can you honestly tell me anything about my sex life from the comments I made? Tell me how often I have sex, what positions I like, what kinki things we like to do? That's what I'm talking about by I don't want to hear about it. I don't share those things with other people and I don't want to hear about things like that from other people either.

why are you telling me this? you don't know how often I have sex, what positions I prefer etc. - these are not things I am discussing. but feel free to raise your objections in the numerous threads here where people do discuss the frequency of their (heterosexual) sexual encounters, frequency of masturbation, and so on.



this thread was never about your or anyone elses sexulity... you were told to STFU because you started a thread saying...
Homosexuality doesnt get enough TV exposure...
Its not about the homosexuality...no one gives a fvck... the problem is you opened a "activism" thread...whining about some "greater cause"...expanding the homosexual agenda on tv...

its not about you, your homosexual lifestyle, or anyhting... just take your P&N crap and go somewhere else.
 

iskim86

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.

There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?

Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.

I wonder why this is happening.

in my opinion if homosexuals can express their feelings, so can the anti-homos.

homosexuality is turning like the black issue - there can be a BET but not WET. wtf?
 

SonnyDaze

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: SolMiester
Well, I hate gays so there, I'm not ashamed of it either, its just not right period.

Nice trolling there, bud. You know what "just isn't right"? Cowards like you. Wah wah, I don't like gays, they're weird.

You're like a god-damned child.

It's going to be nice when all of the cowards like you die off.

:roll: Because he doesn't like homosexuals that makes him a coward? The guy just expressed his opinion...guess there's something wrong with doing that? Oh and before you start, no I'm not homophobic. I could give two shits less what you choose for a sexual preference or what you choose to put in your mouth, but I'd rather not be told about it on a public forum.
aidanjm just wants people to notice that he's gay and be treated different or special. He wants to be noticed for being gay. Big fvcking deal bro. You suck cock. Whoopdie fvcking doo. I don't care. Why can't he be like Zysoclaplem who is a pretty cool guy with a good sense of humor and attitude. I believe it's pretty clear around here that he is openly gay, but he doesn't shove it in your face or expect to be treated special because of it.
And come to think of it, the OP's attitude really has nothing to do with his sexuality. He's just a fvcking douche either way you look at it.
 

Imdmn04

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Originally posted by: iskim86
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.

There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?

Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.

I wonder why this is happening.

in my opinion if homosexuals can express their feelings, so can the anti-homos.

homosexuality is turning like the black issue - there can be a BET but not WET. wtf?


BET is not a channel that says "I hate white people". They are simply expressing black culture.
 

her209

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I was at Old Navy on Friday and they had some nice boxers so I decided to pick some up. I also bought some cargo shorts because its starting to get hot again. When I went to go ring up the items, I couldn't help it but notice that it was a gay guy working the cash register. I'll just say it was awkward.
 

Conky

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Originally posted by: her209
I was at Old Navy on Friday and they had some nice boxers so I decided to pick some up. I also bought some cargo shorts because its starting to get hot again. When I went to go ring up the items, I couldn't help it but notice that it was a gay guy working the cash register. I'll just say it was awkward.
OK, you're a bigot. :p

You are supposed to embrace and encourage these changes to our society. :laugh:

 

iskim86

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Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Originally posted by: iskim86
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.

There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?

Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.

I wonder why this is happening.

in my opinion if homosexuals can express their feelings, so can the anti-homos.

homosexuality is turning like the black issue - there can be a BET but not WET. wtf?


BET is not a channel that says "I hate white people". They are simply expressing black culture.

that is EXACTLY my point. if there's a WET, people take it as a racist thing.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: aidanjm
you appear not to comprehend what I am saying, so there probably isn't much point continuing the conversation.

That seems to be a common consensus among that who read your rants. The only thing anyone comprehends is that they're sick of hearing about your homosexuality. It's people like you that make me ashamed of having vote AGAINST an amendment banning gay marriage in my state. Trust me, won't happen again.

if your commitment to equal rights is that paper-thin (i.e., you abandon your principles because someone has annoyed you), then your support is worthless to begin with. you have no moral spine. feel free to take your vote and shove it up your ass.

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
why are you telling me this? you don't know how often I have sex, what positions I prefer etc. - these are not things I am discussing. but feel free to raise your objections in the numerous threads here where people do discuss the frequency of their (heterosexual) sexual encounters, frequency of masturbation, and so on.

I know you're not discussing them. I won't post on your thread if you did. That's all I'm saying or have ever said. I don't want or need to hear about any of that information from anyone, nor will I provide it to anyone. Details of a sexual relationship should remain between the two (or whatever) people involved. There is a big difference between saying things like that and commenting on having a 'wife'. I have never claimed to have a problem with people using all of those terms that I listed previously. What I do have a problem with is people speaking out about being heterosexual or homosexual. Keep it in the house. I don't care to hear about it.

What do you mean, "speaking out about being heterosexual or homosexual"? Are you referring to graphic discussions of sexual practices?

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
The fact that you associate saying 'I have a wife' as being the same as saying 'I'm heterosexual' is your problem. Don't like, I don't care. Call me a hypocrite or whatever else you want. I can promise you, it won't change a dang thing.

I don't have a problem with people discussing any aspect of their heterosexual sexual orientation. The fact that you think I do is just another sign that you don't comprehend what I am saying. You seem to have a fairly poor grasp of English as indicated by your poorly constructed, borderline-incomprehensible sentences.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: aidanjm
um, does it not occur to you that my comment was sarcastic in nature? Yes, it is ridiculous to expect engineereeyore to "carefully remove the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of his partner" from his post. and yet that is more or less what he expects gay people to do. when straight people talk about sex (as happens on this forum all the time - it occurs in almost every thread, in the form of either serious comments or jokes or quips) it is just people talking about their life, but when a gay person makes a reference to their sex life, then it is considered to be deliberately drawing attention to their sexual orientation ("Flaunting their sexuality"). This is an absurd double standard.

you don't get it. no one here cares about your sexuality, or anyone else's sexuality. you're getting ragged on because you're a douchebag, just like PAB, goku/phillipinemango, jlgatsby, and all the other douchebags we've had in the past.

I don't see the truth in that observation, considering that it is really just a certain class of individual doing the "ragging". these people do care about 'my' sexuality - specifically they resent me freely talking about it (yet they lack the self-control to choose not to click on my threads or read my posts).


 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: aidanjm
um, does it not occur to you that my comment was sarcastic in nature? Yes, it is ridiculous to expect engineereeyore to "carefully remove the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of his partner" from his post. and yet that is more or less what he expects gay people to do. when straight people talk about sex (as happens on this forum all the time - it occurs in almost every thread, in the form of either serious comments or jokes or quips) it is just people talking about their life, but when a gay person makes a reference to their sex life, then it is considered to be deliberately drawing attention to their sexual orientation ("Flaunting their sexuality"). This is an absurd double standard.

That couldn't be farther from the truth. Using the term wife, husband, spouse, significant other, life partner, whatever, is not "flaunging your sexuality". You are truly pathetic. I don't care if you use those terms. For crying out loud, are you trying to say that if there was a town full of all straight people and they used the terms 'wife' or 'husband' that they'd be flaunting their sexuality? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

you appear not to comprehend what I am saying, so there probably isn't much point continuing the conversation.

snip drivel


Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Can you honestly tell me anything about my sex life from the comments I made? Tell me how often I have sex, what positions I like, what kinki things we like to do? That's what I'm talking about by I don't want to hear about it. I don't share those things with other people and I don't want to hear about things like that from other people either.

why are you telling me this? you don't know how often I have sex, what positions I prefer etc. - these are not things I am discussing. but feel free to raise your objections in the numerous threads here where people do discuss the frequency of their (heterosexual) sexual encounters, frequency of masturbation, and so on.



this thread was never about your or anyone elses sexulity... you were told to STFU because you started a thread saying...
Homosexuality doesnt get enough TV exposure...
Its not about the homosexuality...no one gives a fvck... the problem is you opened a "activism" thread...whining about some "greater cause"...expanding the homosexual agenda on tv...

its not about you, your homosexual lifestyle, or anyhting... just take your P&N crap and go somewhere else.

this thread - which is my thread - is about 2 things
1) is the USA becoming less tolerant of sexual diversity? as evidence of this, the apparent decline in the number of gay characters on US television possibly as a result of network pressure placed on producers.
2) my somewhat troubled relationship with atot and some of it's members
 

theblackbox

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to adress your two points:

1. what does tv have to do with anything? just because there are less gay characters, which i don't believe, doesn't mean anything. how anal would someone have to be to think up a silly point like that.
2. i didn't know anything about you until you said something. Appearently, you are having problems coping, not others coping with you.