is the USA becoming less tolerant of sexual diversity?

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Originally posted by: Vic
I wonder why this is happening.
That's personal and has nothing to do with your sexuality. There are a lot of straights on this forum that aren't liked either, and it seems that you're just doing your part to make sure that gays are represented in that area too. You're basically the gay PAB or gay dmcowen674 is all.[/quote]

A-men. People will judge you based on the the things you put out there to judge you on. If every post you make pertains to how you are discriminated against for being gay, then what do you expect their response to be? First, you are blatantly characterizing your life as being equivalent to your sexuality. Then, you are whining incessantly. People don't like whiners, and can't judge you on your merits as a person because the only thing you have given them is that you are a homosexual.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: SolMiester
Well, I hate gays so there, I'm not ashamed of it either, its just not right period.

Nice trolling there, bud. You know what "just isn't right"? Cowards like you. Wah wah, I don't like gays, they're weird.

You're like a god-damned child.

It's going to be nice when all of the cowards like you die off.
 

tfcmasta97

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How can you even begin to argue that the US is becoming LESS tolerant of sexual diversity?

Everyone is more aware of homosexuality, people are more accepting of it than ever. There will always be people in the States against this, but the acceptance of it is still increasing.

Enough people have said it in this thread too, we dont hate OP cuz hes a homo, we hate him cuz hes a douche.
 

BD2003

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I'm just tired about hearing about ANYONE's sexuality. So you're gay, do we always need to know about it?

You come up with so and so amount of characters that are gay on TV. I have never seen a gay character that wasnt all about being gay. Its as if you can't have a gay character with non gay problems.

And your posts are always of the same vein. Can't you just sometimes be a person, and not a gay person?
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
How can you even begin to argue that the US is becoming LESS tolerant of sexual diversity?

Everyone is more aware of homosexuality, people are more accepting of it than ever. There will always be people in the States against this, but the acceptance of it is still increasing.

Enough people have said it in this thread too, we dont hate OP cuz hes a homo, we hate him cuz hes a douche.

I agree. I don't know that people are becoming less tolerant or accepting, but I know a lot of people are becoming sick and tired of hearing about it. If that constitutes less tolerant, so be it. But I agree with sao123 also. The media has been shoving it at people for the last little while and it's becoming annoying. I know it exist, but that doesn't mean I want to hear about it all the time. Cancer exist. Should I want to hear about it all the time?
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
How can you even begin to argue that the US is becoming LESS tolerant of sexual diversity?

Everyone is more aware of homosexuality, people are more accepting of it than ever. There will always be people in the States against this, but the acceptance of it is still increasing.

Enough people have said it in this thread too, we dont hate OP cuz hes a homo, we hate him cuz hes a douche.

I agree. I don't know that people are becoming less tolerant or accepting, but I know a lot of people are becoming sick and tired of hearing about it. If that constitutes less tolerant, so be it. But I agree with sao123 also. The media has been shoving it at people for the last little while and it's becoming annoying. I know it exist, but that doesn't mean I want to hear about it all the time. Cancer exist. Should I want to hear about it all the time?

Preciesely... The US isnt becoming less tolerant of homosexuality...
The US is becoming less tolerant of public sexuality... Look at the "decency" backlash after Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction. Then there was the desperate housewives commercial in the shower... The FCC handed out soo many fines that TV stations are now paranoid about anything they show.

American communities for the most part dont have any problem with your thing, as long as you arent out attention whoring...

This same attitude is reflected in many things... A perfect example is the Mormons / Jehova's Whitenesses... Do your thing...just dont knock on my door.
 

Platypus

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I guess I really don't understand why you want attention to be called to gay people in media. Do you really need to see a gay person on a television show to feel like it's diverse enough to watch? It's like those ridiculous corporate ads you see everywhere with a white male/female, a black male/female and an asian male/woman all smiling and working together on something. Are people that obsessed with diversity that you'd be offended if you were white and one specific ad only had black people in it? I know I wouldn't care.

The same logic applies to TV shows right now.. gay people are a novelty and for the most part further the stereotype that all gay men are feminine acting, are very artsy, or are used in some ridiculous punchline involving someone's sexuality. 'Who cares?' is my question. When I watch something, I see people, that's it, I don't count up how many minorities are represented before I can sit down and enjoy something. It's the same thing when you turn on 'BET,' why does there need to be a channel filled with shows that are so mindless, the only thing you ever hear is 'white people this, white people that,' etc. They just reenforce the racial rift that many people have given their lives to end. By creating a seperation, you are only furthering segregation... same thing with gay people. By shoving your lifestyle down other people's throats, you are not only doing the exact same thing you are condemning them for, you are making the problem worse for yourself. So a character is gay on a show, who gives a sh!t.. if that is their only character trait then it's boring as hell anyway, who cares? If there is a character that is more than just his sexual preference who just happens to be gay, so be it, tha'd be entertaining.. but not because he's gay, because he has more to say than 'fabulous!!!!' People just get sick of one dimensional characters, myself included

I guess that's my whole point... people need to be colorblind (and that includes all the colors of the rainbow..) By placing a gay stereotype into a television show, you are doing the EXACT opposite of your intent, and that is for people to not label you by your preferences, and treat you like a human being instead. When I see a gay stereotype or hear a ridiculous gay themed joke in the media I typically turn the channel and I'm gay if that tells you anything.. it pisses me off more than anything because that is the type of bullsh!t that makes people so close minded about gay people. I see will and grace mentioned a lot in this thread.. if I ever met that guy I would punch him in the face for being a walking stereotype, it's ridiculous that people watch that and really believe that's how all gay people are.
 

Soundmanred

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Less tolerant? No.
Less interested? Definitely.
Nobody likes a salesman...

Edit: I don't care if you're gay (I have gay friends), you're just annoying. Just sayin'...
 

FilmCamera

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.

There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?

Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.

I wonder why this is happening.

It happens because you try to force your stupid militant gay agenda on everyone and everything. And people are tired of it. So STFU.
 

purbeast0

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Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: aidanjm
is your sexuality also a private thing? or is it only gay people who have to stay silent? a very high proportion of the posts here revolve around aspects of sexuality (relationships, dating, sex, whatever).


if you don't care, then why make such a fuss? what you really seem to be saying is "I will continue to talk about my heterosexual life, but gay people shut up"

I would disagree. I feel the same way sao123 feels, but I don't talk about my sex life with pretty much anyone other than my wife (doctor's being a natural exception). My sex life is at home and stays there. I don't care to hear about anyone's sex life, heterosexual or homosexual. I tell people the same thing, "I don't want to hear about it." If you've got some type of problem, talk to a professional. It's not that I'm trying to be rude or sound insensitive, but really. It's between a person and their significant other. No one else needs to be involved.

your response references your heterosexuality - the fact you have a wife. Perhaps you should have carefully removed the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of your partner before hitting "post"..? or else you risk appearing hypocrital


Wow... I cant even begin to forumlate a responce to the stupidity in this post...

Yeah his post was really meant to draw attention to the fact that he has a wife...
Congratulations engineereeyore you just "Came out of the closet"...

LOL ... I was thinking that too as I read it. aidanjm your reply is just so ridiculous to engineereeyore that I just don't even know what to say about it ...

Also you guys forgot a few more shows ..

Family Guy (the gay neighbor pedophile!)
6 Feet Under
Sopranos

Clicky Click for Sopranos goodness that is relevant to this thread.
 

FilmCamera

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.

There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?

Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.

I wonder why this is happening.


"I've got friends who like sheep... but they dont have to parade around in the streets, or come out of the closet and announce it..."

YOUR SEXUALITY IS A PRIVATE THING... DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO, JUST SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT... NO ONE CARES ANYMORE!!!

is your sexuality also a private thing? or is it only gay people who have to stay silent? a very high proportion of the posts here revolve around aspects of sexuality (relationships, dating, sex, whatever).


if you don't care, then why make such a fuss? what you really seem to be saying is "I will continue to talk about my heterosexual life, but gay people shut up"

Gay people don't have to shutup. Just you.
 

SolMiester

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: SolMiester
Well, I hate gays so there, I'm not ashamed of it either, its just not right period.

Nice trolling there, bud. You know what "just isn't right"? Cowards like you. Wah wah, I don't like gays, they're weird.

You're like a god-damned child.

It's going to be nice when all of the cowards like you die off.

LOL, Mr 19 posts!?..Homosexaully is wrong IMHO, get over it liberal. Poo tubes were NOT design for penetration...duh!
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?
lol! That "small number" of people happen to consistently be a large majority of the public in poll after poll after poll after poll on the subject.

TV shows with recurring gay characters aren't the only measure of how pervasively the media has become sympathetic to and active in advancing the gay movement's politics. I actually have remarked a few times in recent months at how many TV shows deal with gay issues in an entirely one-sided manner that portays homosexuals sympathetically or in a favorable light, such as dispelling the view of AIDS as a gay disease in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, or portraying a character as some bigot with major "issues" merely for not being wholly enamored with the gay agenda. In fact, there is not a single TV show that does otherwise, and it is certainly a palpable difference compared to 10 or even just 5 years ago.

Of course nobody wants to see a gay-centric television show, at least not any significant number of people. There are only so many thinly veiled jokes or gestures that can be made in reference to anal sex (ala Will and Grace).
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
I've noticed changes in the USA media over the past year. For example the number of drama or comedy programs with openly gay characters has dropped to zero, gay characters have been removed or 'de-gayed' from popular programs such as Heroes, and so on.

There have always been a small number of people in our society who would like to make gay people to shut up completely about their gay lives. Have these people become more influential in the USA over the past year?

Even on this forum, I've noticed recently (the past 1-2 months) that it is impossible to discuss any aspect of my life on this forum that acknowledges the fact that I am a homosexual without attracting an avalanche of criticism from the usual suspects.

I wonder why this is happening.


like trolling eh?
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: engineereeyore
Originally posted by: aidanjm
is your sexuality also a private thing? or is it only gay people who have to stay silent? a very high proportion of the posts here revolve around aspects of sexuality (relationships, dating, sex, whatever).


if you don't care, then why make such a fuss? what you really seem to be saying is "I will continue to talk about my heterosexual life, but gay people shut up"

I would disagree. I feel the same way sao123 feels, but I don't talk about my sex life with pretty much anyone other than my wife (doctor's being a natural exception). My sex life is at home and stays there. I don't care to hear about anyone's sex life, heterosexual or homosexual. I tell people the same thing, "I don't want to hear about it." If you've got some type of problem, talk to a professional. It's not that I'm trying to be rude or sound insensitive, but really. It's between a person and their significant other. No one else needs to be involved.

your response references your heterosexuality - the fact you have a wife. Perhaps you should have carefully removed the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of your partner before hitting "post"..? or else you risk appearing hypocrital


Wow... I cant even begin to forumlate a responce to the stupidity in this post...

Yeah his post was really meant to draw attention to the fact that he has a wife...
Congratulations engineereeyore you just "Came out of the closet"...

LOL ... I was thinking that too as I read it. aidanjm your reply is just so ridiculous to engineereeyore that I just don't even know what to say about it ...

um, does it not occur to you that my comment was sarcastic in nature? Yes, it is ridiculous to expect engineereeyore to "carefully remove the pronouns and nouns that reveal the gender of his partner" from his post. and yet that is more or less what he expects gay people to do. when straight people talk about sex (as happens on this forum all the time - it occurs in almost every thread, in the form of either serious comments or jokes or quips) it is just people talking about their life, but when a gay person makes a reference to their sex life, then it is considered to be deliberately drawing attention to their sexual orientation ("Flaunting their sexuality"). This is an absurd double standard.

 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
Enough people have said it in this thread too, we dont hate OP cuz hes a homo, we hate him cuz hes a douche.

if people "hate" me for my posts on this internet forum, then those people must be very small people indeed. my posts on this forum are not malicious, I don't go about tearing people down or making fun of people, etc. if you hate someone because of some mild sh1t-stirring on an internet forum, then that is a sad reflection on your humanity and your morality.

it's not that surprising that the people who say they "hate" me are mostly socially conservative/ right wing folks, whose opinions I don't respect. :)
 

BoberFett

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Bullsht. There's no double standard. Casually mentioning that your significant other is a boyfriend isn't a problem. What annoys people is the fact that you can't seem to discuss anything without relating it to homosexuality.

"Hey, I'm having trouble deciding whether to buy this new video card now or if I should wait until the next generation is out. By the way, I'm gay if that makes a difference."

In other words, you're a douche.