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Captante

Captante

Lifer
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ivwshane said:
Hmm…I’d hardly consider that woke. Woke to me would be embracing the whole pronoun thing or the me too movement. Both are just another way to be respectful to “others” but I wouldn’t classify either as something democrats have embraced in any meaningful way (there aren’t bills being introduced for example).

Where I see “woke” culture happening the most is on social media but without 100% user verification who knows who is behind any such “wokeness”. If you don’t use social media then your day to day encounter with it will be exactly zero (for most people anyway).
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I wasn't discussing what I think "woke" means.
 
ivwshane

ivwshane

Lifer
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Captante said:
I wasn't discussing what I think "woke" means.
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If, “embracing wokeness was a huge mistake”, isn’t something you agree with then I’m not sure how else one could interpret that. If you think democrats embraced wokeness then you should be able to give examples. Otherwise what you are really saying is that democrats can do no right because anything they try and do is woke according to the rights ever changing standards.

To put it in even simpler terms, it means you’ve bought into the rights narrative. A narrative, where again, democrats can do no right.

Fighting climate change = woke
Supporting green energy = woke
Supporting better ways to reduce crime and incarceration = woke
Insuring equal rights and protection to all people = woke
Making it easier for people to participate in our democracy = woke
Wanting to make sure politicians aren’t corrupted or influenced by money, foreign or domestic, and instead influenced by the will of the people = woke
Wanting a more efficient and effective health care system = woke

None of that is “woke”, that’s called good governance and providing for the general welfare of the people, something that’s spelled out multiple times in our constitution.

I’m not trying to pick on you because I feel I have a good idea of what you believe but you highlight a very real problem for those who are not apart of the right wing cult and that is, even the most politically aware fall victim to the rights narrative and framing of issues. A more famous example would be bill Maher, he’s about as lefty as one could get and even he complains about “wokeness” and “cancel culture”, despite the only place he encounters it being on social media. Hell “cancel culture” is another righty framed narrative where the right to protest or voice one’s opinion is now a bad thing. We all agree we have the right to agree or disagree with an opinion but when did we disagree about people being able to voice their opinions? That was once a hallmark of this country.
 
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Captante

Captante

Lifer
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ivwshane said:
If, “embracing wokeness was a huge mistake”, isn’t something you agree with then I’m not sure how else one could interpret that. If you think democrats embraced wokeness then you should be able to give examples. Otherwise what you are really saying is that democrats can do no right because anything they try and do is woke according to the rights ever changing standards.

To put it in even simpler terms, it means you’ve bought into the rights narrative. A narrative, where again, democrats can do no right.

Fighting climate change = woke
Supporting green energy = woke
Supporting better ways to reduce crime and incarceration = woke
Insuring equal rights and protection to all people = woke
Making it easier for people to participate in our democracy = woke
Wanting to make sure politicians aren’t corrupted or influenced by money, foreign or domestic, and instead influenced by the will of the people = woke
Wanting a more efficient and effective health care system = woke

None of that is “woke”, that’s called good governance and providing for the general welfare of the people, something that’s spelled out multiple times in our constitution.

I’m not trying to pick on you because I feel I have a good idea of what you believe but you highlight a very real problem for those who are not apart of the right wing cult and that is, even the most politically aware fall victim to the rights narrative and framing of issues. A more famous example would be bill Maher, he’s about as lefty as one could get and even he complains about “wokeness” and “cancel culture”, despite the only place he encounters it being on social media. Hell “cancel culture” is another righty framed narrative where the right to protest or voice one’s opinion is now a bad thing. We all agree we have the right to agree or disagree with an opinion but when did we disagree about people being able to voice their opinions? That was once a hallmark of this country.
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You and I are essentially on the same page. ;)
 
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BonzaiDuck

BonzaiDuck

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Captante said:
"Sub-species" may not be the proper term but I was hesitant to use "breed"!

;)
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Let me offer you some help.

Charles Darwin once observed that even within the same species of pigeon, there was variation in markings of the feathers that affected mating behavior.

If the human race had evolved as a blind species, then noses, hair, lips, eye and skin color would have no meaning in our mutual perceptions. And the study of the human genome and DNA proves that these variations are superficial, that they have no meaning of consequence. They only have meaning in a psychology where one group needs to feel superior to another. These "needs" are based on traditions of privilege, and a hierarchy among those so favored. So ignorant people who are poor and white may exhibit more racism than someone less ignorant with some extra pocket change.
 
Captante

Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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BonzaiDuck said:
Let me offer you some help.

Charles Darwin once observed that even within the same species of pigeon, there was variation in markings of the feathers that affected mating behavior.

If the human race had evolved as a blind species, then noses, hair, lips, eye and skin color would have no meaning in our mutual perceptions. And the study of the human genome and DNA proves that these variations are superficial, that they have no meaning of consequence. They only have meaning in a psychology where one group needs to feel superior to another. These "needs" are based on traditions of privilege, and a hierarchy among those so favored. So ignorant people who are poor and white may exhibit more racism than someone less ignorant with some extra pocket change.
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Is this Moonbeam's second account?? ;)
 
nakedfrog

nakedfrog

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Amused said:
Oh, and the estate of an author pulling a book of their own free will because of outdated racial stereotypes CHILDREN really shouldn't be learning from. Let's not forget that. How dare people control their OWN property based on THEIR OWN morals.
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But the fantastically irritating part of this is that if you go out and ask a random Republican, they'll swear up and down that it was Democrats that banned the book.
 
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Maxima1

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K1052 said:
Per Roberts the US is post-racial*.

*meaning we refuse to see any racism at all and simply pretend it no longer exists
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Um, it's just one of those stupid implicit bias test questions. Ironically, how many assume all Asians study more and therefore want a policy discriminating against them?

“68. Do you sometimes personally harbor bias
against members of certain races or ethnic groups?
“69. Do you believe that some races and/or ethnic
groups tend to be more violent than others?” Jury
Questionnaire, p. 12 (Juror 1136B).
To the first question, No. 68, the prospective juror at is-
sue answered, “No.” Ibid. But to the second question, No.
69, he answered, “Yes.” Ibid. He explained that “tatistics
show more violent crimes are committed by certain races. I
believe in statistics.” Ibid.
 
K1052

K1052

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Maxima1 said:
Um, it's just one of those stupid implicit bias test questions. Ironically, how many assume all Asians study more and therefore want a policy discriminating against them?

“68. Do you sometimes personally harbor bias
against members of certain races or ethnic groups?
“69. Do you believe that some races and/or ethnic
groups tend to be more violent than others?” Jury
Questionnaire, p. 12 (Juror 1136B).
To the first question, No. 68, the prospective juror at is-
sue answered, “No.” Ibid. But to the second question, No.
69, he answered, “Yes.” Ibid. He explained that “tatistics
show more violent crimes are committed by certain races. I
believe in statistics.” Ibid.
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Seems like a problem to me in a capital case from a death penalty state. Then again I'm regarded as unreasonable for having higher (or any really) standards in this area by some people.
 
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pcgeek11

pcgeek11

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HomerJS said:
Depends on what you mean by extreme. You don't refute the accusations on facts you just excuse them.
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I don't excuse them.

I just don't feel like I have to refute all the BS you spew. If I did I wouldn't have time for anything else.
 
Jaskalas

Jaskalas

Lifer
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It is not racism that is the core issue.
That's just a finger of a larger hand that is clasped around our society.
It is worse in that... it is growing worse now and is on a trajectory to be !@#$ing terrible in a short while. Because we are divided and pitted against one another on partisan lines at the expense of our former national identity that held all men as equal. And the idea that we all belong to and swear fealty to a common set of civil rights is being cast aside in the fervor of war against one another.

We are in a rush to label people as "other", to stereotype and dispense with them as an enemy and not a human. Racism will play a part in that, always has.
 
dank69

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Jaskalas said:
It is not racism that is the core issue.
That's just a finger of a larger hand that is clasped around our society.
It is worse in that... it is growing worse now and is on a trajectory to be !@#$ing terrible in a short while. Because we are divided and pitted against one another on partisan lines at the expense of our former national identity that held all men as equal. And the idea that we all belong to and swear fealty to a common set of civil rights is being cast aside in the fervor of war against one another.

We are in a rush to label people as "other", to stereotype and dispense with them as an enemy and not a human. Racism will play a part in that, always has.
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"We"? Psychologically it is conservatives who feed on us v. them. Liberals just want everyone to get along and have been called pedophiles for 40+ years because of it.
 
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