Is the US more racist now than int he 1960's?

[SteveGrabowski]

Per the far right (and lately the not so far right) "Woke" applies to pretty much anything the Democrats support!




Also "marketing" is the primary difference between Burger King and McDonalds.... lately we've (Dems) been giving off a serious BK vibe too!

Just say Republicans instead of far right. The moderate right is the Democrats.

 

[pmv]

Did you stretch before that reach? I mean, that's a pretty drastic reach. You could hurt yourself.

Let's do a simple dissection, shall we?

She equally lumps in white AND non-white immigrants.

She OBVIOUSLY opposes the racist apartheid systems they came from.

She doesn't dehumanize them, she calls them out for attempting to turn the US into the systems that crashed the countries they came from.

She called German born, master race MFer Peter Theil a parasite here as well as non-white immigrants.

Why?

Because the "parasite" accusation has nothing to do with race.

It has to do with them coming here, getting rich, then attempting to not pay taxes, support the system that helped them get rich, and promote the same racism/classism that they escaped from their home countries.


par·a·site
/ˈperəˌsīt/

noun
noun: parasite; plural noun: parasites

1. 1.
   an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.
   "the parasite attaches itself to the mouths of fishes"
   
   
2. 2.
   
   a person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return.
   "he was a parasite who lived off other people"

Meh, I disagree, to be honest. She does specifically focus on _Indian_ migrants for special opprobrium. I am not impressed by that. Really don't know why one would 'go there'. Seems quite dodgy to me.

But I see nothing to say she's a "leftist" - what leftist party is she a member of? What political power does she have?

That said, our Home secretary, who concedes second place to nobody when it comes to devising new ways to repel migrants and asylum-seekers (wave machines to capsize their boats! use the navy to push them back out to sea! Send them to Rwanda!) is of Indian origin. I think it may be significant that she's one of the Ugandan Asians - the Indian community who helped run the British Empire there do have a history of racism of their own, as Yasmin alibhai Brown pointed out.

Racism and the truth about the Ugandan Asians

Like all racists, we fantasised that Africans wanted our women. Rumour was that 'our' girls were being raped by black Ugandans

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Braznor]

That said, our Home secretary, who concedes second place to nobody when it comes to devising new ways to repel migrants and asylum-seekers (wave machines to capsize their boats! use the navy to push them back out to sea! Send them to Rwanda!) is of Indian origin. I think it may be significant that she's one of the Ugandan Asians - the Indian community who helped run the British Empire there do have a history of racism of their own, as Yasmin alibhai Brown pointed out.

Racism and the truth about the Ugandan Asians

Like all racists, we fantasised that Africans wanted our women. Rumour was that 'our' girls were being raped by black Ugandans

www.independent.co.uk

So what you are attempting to do is whitewash the Ugandan South asian people's expulsion from Uganda using one salacious remark from one article?

 

[pmv]

So what you are attempting to do is whitewash the Ugandan Indian people's expulsion from Uganda using one salacious remark from one article.

Well, no, clearly I didn't "attempt to do" such a thing (I didn't actually discuss the expulsion at all). But I note there it is again from you - that obsession with Indians (particularly Hindu Indians) as the most put-upon victims ever. It's very similar to white American Trump-supporters self-pity. Straight out of Bender from Futurama's "This is the worst kind of discirmination - the kind that is directed at _me_" line.

Your constant denunciations of some fictional entity you call "left/liberals" is very Trumpian. Suggests to me what your real political agenda is and the group you are really identifying with - the claims to victim-hood (with respect to the dubious comments by that single random person you quoted) are just a cover story to ward off criticism for your right-wing politics.

 

[Braznor]

Well, no, clearly I didn't "attempt to do" such a thing (I didn't actually discuss the expulsion at all). But I note there it is again from you - that obsession with Indians (particularly Hindu Indians) as the most put-upon victims ever. It's very similar to white American Trump-supporters self-pity. Straight out of Bender from Futurama's "This is the worst kind of discirmination - the kind that is directed at _me_" line.

Your constant denunciations of some fictional entity you call "left/liberals" is very Trumpian. Suggests to me what your real political agenda is and the group you are really identifying with - the claims to victim-hood (with respect to the dubious comments by that single random person you quoted) are just a cover story to ward off criticism for your right-wing politics.

See, this is the crux of the problem we have been dealing with. I don't do right wing politics here or anywhere anymore. Yet, it is astonishing how easily I get brushed with a broad stroke with claims of I being a fascist, muslim family killer and now a fraud as claimed by you.

It is so easy for you guys to hook a person just performing her job to a origin story with a shaky racial overtone so you can frame a narrative push an agenda. For you guys nothing is too low not to stoop. That's what you did with Priti Patel just now and thats how I got branded all kinds of names here in this forum.

So again, nice attempt at framing a narrative. But sorry it doesn't work on me really.

 

[pmv]

See, this is the crux of the problem we have been dealing with. I don't do right wing politics here or anywhere anymore. Yet, it is astonishing how easily I get brushed with a broad stroke with claims of I being a fascist, muslim family killer and now a fraud as claimed by you.

It is so easy for you guys to hook a person just performing her job to a origin story with a shaky racial overtone so you can frame a narrative push an agenda. For you guys nothing is too low not to stoop. That's what you did with Priti Patel just now and thats how I got branded all kinds of names here in this forum.

So again, nice attempt at framing a narrative. But sorry it doesn't work on me really.

You are clearly a right wing fellow. Your obsessive use of the word "narrative" (twice in just this post!) being another indicator of that. That's what right-wingers do. I don't care if it 'works on you' becuase I don't care about dishonestly right-wing types like you.

 

[pmv]

And as for "just doing her job" - words fail me. As if being Home Secretary in the most right-wing government we've ever had, and putting all that effort into coming up with new ways to make life miserable for asylum seekers, were just something she's forced to do just to make a living.

 

[ivwshane]

See, this is the crux of the problem we have been dealing with. I don't do right wing politics here or anywhere anymore. Yet, it is astonishing how easily I get brushed with a broad stroke with claims of I being a fascist, muslim family killer and now a fraud as claimed by you.

It is so easy for you guys to hook a person just performing her job to a origin story with a shaky racial overtone so you can frame a narrative push an agenda. For you guys nothing is too low not to stoop. That's what you did with Priti Patel just now and thats how I got branded all kinds of names here in this forum.

So again, nice attempt at framing a narrative. But sorry it doesn't work on me really.

Lol isn’t that exactly what you are doing here! In your attempt to “both sides” you’ve made general accusations and attempted to frame the narrative. Do you need a mirror?

 

[Braznor]

You are clearly a right wing fellow. Your obsessive use of the word "narrative" (twice in just this post!) being another indicator of that. That's what right-wingers do. I don't care if it 'works on you' becuase I don't care about dishonestly right-wing types like you.

I know the left hates the word 'narrative'. They should, after all they spawned it. You create it, you own it. Too bad if it is now an uncomfortable reminder of your guile.

As for your diatribe about me being a right winger, it is just one more uninformed opinion in the annals of this forum.

 

[Braznor]

Lol isn’t that exactly what you are doing here! In your attempt to “both sides” you’ve made general accusations and attempted to frame the narrative. Do you need a mirror?

Attempting to frame a narrative here? In Anandtech? In midst of liberals and leftists who run rampant through these forums?

Ha ha! I merely set the record straight.

 

[ivwshane]

Attempting to frame a narrative here? In Anandtech? In midst of liberals and leftists who run rampant through these forums?

Ha ha! I merely set the record straight.

You didn’t though, you only did what you accused him of doing, so…

 

[IronWing]

I know the left hates the word 'narrative'. They should, after all they spawned it. You create it, you own it. Too bad if it is now an uncomfortable reminder of your guile.

As for your diatribe about me being a right winger, it is just one more uninformed opinion in the annals of this forum.

It’s like you don’t know that your posting history is available for all to read.

 

[pmv]

I know the left hates the word 'narrative'. They should, after all they spawned it. You create it, you own it. Too bad if it is now an uncomfortable reminder of your guile.

As for your diatribe about me being a right winger, it is just one more uninformed opinion in the annals of this forum.

No, liberals coined the word (here it was briefly first used by the Blairites), then right-wingers like you picked up on it and became completely and utterly obsessed with it.

 

[Braznor]

You didn’t though, you only did what you accused him of doing, so…

I spoke from personal experience on these forums. What he did was connecting Priti Patel with a racial sob story touching upon her origins. Don't believe me? Check the India thread to see the ugly examples of racism from liberals on this site.

 

[Braznor]

It’s like you don’t know that your posting history is available for all to read.

What? Decade old posts? I wasn't doing any right wing politics here for a long time until I was provoked.

 

[Braznor]

No, liberals coined the word (here it was briefly first used by the Blairites), then right-wingers like you picked up on it and became completely and utterly obsessed with it.

It's not an obsession when the phenomenon under question is being actively used under our very noses. Perhaps the word 'narrative' wouldn't have been so popular now, if it wasn't used to gain control over the hearts and mind of the people.

But thats not true. Its been actively used everywhere. So the usage of the word stands justified.

 

[sandorski]

Attempting to frame a narrative here? In Anandtech? In midst of liberals and leftists who run rampant through these forums?

Ha ha! I merely set the record straight.

Not Rampant, un-Opposed.

 

[pmv]

It's not an obsession when the phenomenon under question is being actively used under our very noses. Perhaps the word 'narrative' wouldn't have been so popular now, if it wasn't used to gain control over the hearts and mind of the people.

But thats not true. Its been actively used everywhere. So the usage of the word stands justified.

It's a cliche and a shibboleth, that reflects the mad right-wing victim-mentality world view that some evil conspiracy is being waged against them by all-powerful liberals and leftists (notwithstanding that those are two entirely different groups who largely hate each other).

 

[Braznor]

It's a cliche and a shibboleth, that reflects the mad right-wing victim-mentality world view that some evil conspiracy is being waged against them by all-powerful liberals and leftists (notwithstanding that those are two entirely different groups who largely hate each other).

So it happens under my very nose and I can't call it out as I'm entitled as a member of these forums because it happens to be a cliche in your books? Ha ha, nice try.

Again, its so simple. Pick out a person with whom you got an axe to grind i.e. in this case Priti Patel. Associate her actions as a home minister with some article by some obscure columnist purporting to claim racism in her origins. Peddle the link as evidence today and hope your claim is classified under proof tomorrow. This is how the agenda factory operates.

Now I know you weren't the person to connect these worthless dots here in Priti Patel's case. Far more diligent hands and cunning minds than yours are at work manufacturing this in the dark corners of your propaganda ecosystem. You didn't invent these connections, someone else did, you just tried to vomit them here. If that's all it was, I would have let that go. But a year from now on, a decade from now on, your post will be hailed as one amongst the proof of Priti's racism. My intentions were to abort this process. i.e. stop the mere accusations today into metamorphosing into proof of guilt tomorrow.

Any political or social discussion today is literally a minefield with thousands of such 'mines' planted everywhere. In light of this fact, all I tried to do here in your case was simply try to defuse a mine planted by you.


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[Pohemi]

Jesus fuck, the gaslighting here...lol. You're a clown, @Braznor

 

[Braznor]

Jesus fuck, the gaslighting here...lol. You're a clown, @Braznor

Clown, Really? That's awfully mild by ATP&N standards. Are you sure I'm not a fascist racist or whatever you manage to conjure up at the moment?

 

[VW MAN]

Clown, Really? That's awfully mild by ATP&N standards. Are you sure I'm not a fascist racist or whatever you manage to conjure up at the moment?

No, you are just a clown, a big giant clown wearing big giant fucking clown shoes!

 

[Braznor]

No, you are just a clown, a big giant clown wearing big giant fucking clown shoes!

Ha ha, Shout louder! Why don't you?

 

[m8d]

The last slave in AmeriKKKa was freed in 1942. It's in AmeriKKKa DNA to be racist.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The issue is not is the US mare racists as much as it is that there are alot more ways to document racism!
Back in the 60`a people could blatantly deny that they were racist and there was no way to document the racism!
With the advent ofr cell phones that changed a lot of things!
Also the advent of better recording mediums!