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fredtam

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Originally posted by: CPA
What pisses my off the most is that BOTH of these bills were submitted by Democrats (Rengel and Hollins)! Not once, though, is that pointed out in this write-up. But, of course, Bush's name, as well as Ashcroft's, is in it and while they certaintly don't have anything to do with this, it is very easy for the uninformed to perceive this as part of the Bush agenda. Don't beleive me, I point out the part in the write-up that states that this "draft" will start "...conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW...". What's so convenient about that? Rengel is not even up for re-election in 2004. But guess who is - Bush! That statement alone implies that Bush is behind this, when in fact he doesn't have a gd thing to do with it. GD lying liberals.

Quoted again because it is the truth and should be the end of this worthless thread.
 

Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Anubis
fvck this im moveing to canada

you must suck at reading
So basically America would close its borders from Americans LEAVING, and strip search any attempting to go. Sounds like a BLAST!

Again, you can't guard the entire border.
 

Rogue

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Anubis
fvck this im moveing to canada

you must suck at reading

Well, that rules him out since the general manual in the Army (referred to commonly as a "dash ten") is written at the eighth grade level. :D
 

Wheatmaster

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Originally posted by: CPA
What pisses my off the most is that BOTH of these bills were submitted by Democrats (Rengel and Hollins)! Not once, though, is that pointed out in this write-up. But, of course, Bush's name, as well as Ashcroft's, is in it and while they certaintly don't have anything to do with this, it is very easy for the uninformed to perceive this as part of the Bush agenda. Don't beleive me, I point out the part in the write-up that states that this "draft" will start "...conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW...". What's so convenient about that? Rengel is not even up for re-election in 2004. But guess who is - Bush! That statement alone implies that Bush is behind this, when in fact he doesn't have a gd thing to do with it. GD lying liberals.

so are you saying that kerry is behind this?
 

fredtam

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Jun 6, 2003
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Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: CPA
What pisses my off the most is that BOTH of these bills were submitted by Democrats (Rengel and Hollins)! Not once, though, is that pointed out in this write-up. But, of course, Bush's name, as well as Ashcroft's, is in it and while they certaintly don't have anything to do with this, it is very easy for the uninformed to perceive this as part of the Bush agenda. Don't beleive me, I point out the part in the write-up that states that this "draft" will start "...conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW...". What's so convenient about that? Rengel is not even up for re-election in 2004. But guess who is - Bush! That statement alone implies that Bush is behind this, when in fact he doesn't have a gd thing to do with it. GD lying liberals.

so are you saying that kerry is behind this?

I'm sure he is not against it.
 

dartworth

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: CPA
What pisses my off the most is that BOTH of these bills were submitted by Democrats (Rengel and Hollins)! Not once, though, is that pointed out in this write-up. But, of course, Bush's name, as well as Ashcroft's, is in it and while they certaintly don't have anything to do with this, it is very easy for the uninformed to perceive this as part of the Bush agenda. Don't beleive me, I point out the part in the write-up that states that this "draft" will start "...conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW...". What's so convenient about that? Rengel is not even up for re-election in 2004. But guess who is - Bush! That statement alone implies that Bush is behind this, when in fact he doesn't have a gd thing to do with it. GD lying liberals.

so are you saying that kerry is behind this?

I'm sure he is not against it.



This has nothing to do with Kerry...comments like this are how misinformation gets started.
 

CPA

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Nov 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: CPA
What pisses my off the most is that BOTH of these bills were submitted by Democrats (Rengel and Hollins)! Not once, though, is that pointed out in this write-up. But, of course, Bush's name, as well as Ashcroft's, is in it and while they certaintly don't have anything to do with this, it is very easy for the uninformed to perceive this as part of the Bush agenda. Don't beleive me, I point out the part in the write-up that states that this "draft" will start "...conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW...". What's so convenient about that? Rengel is not even up for re-election in 2004. But guess who is - Bush! That statement alone implies that Bush is behind this, when in fact he doesn't have a gd thing to do with it. GD lying liberals.

so are you saying that kerry is behind this?

What? How the hell do you get that out of my message? Read it very, very slowly. I did not mention Kerry at all, nor did I mince words to imply something. I am pointing out the impressions, misleadings and lies this article made solely to push their anti-Bush agenda. It is pathetic.

I am so sick of this draft crap. I even went as far as to find the original article published and leave my own comments for the author. I know it won't do any good, but it made me feel an ounce better :D
 

Linux23

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i wonder why prisoners are exempt from this draft, especially if they are in prison for murder? why should they get a free lunch in the prison system, let them work for their country too.
 

Anubis

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Aug 31, 2001
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tbqhwy.com
Originally posted by: Linux23
i wonder why prisoners are exempt from this draft, especially if they are in prison for murder? why should they get a free lunch in the prison system, let them work for their country too.

actually sen thoes on death row in first thats a great idea
 

dartworth

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Jul 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: Linux23
i wonder why prisoners are exempt from this draft, especially if they are in prison for murder? why should they get a free lunch in the prison system, let them work for their country too.



Yeah, I want some dude who killed the clerk for $25 fighting next to me...:roll:
 

Rogue

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Jan 28, 2000
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Here's some editorial comments in the Army Times (of course it's readership and content are slanted ;))
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Draft won?t help

I read with disbelief the editorial supporting Rep. Charles Rangel?s assertions that a draft should be reinstated to better spread the so-called sacrifices of military service out over a cross section of America [?Share the sacrifices,? Jan. 27].

First, Rangel?s motives, despite his prior military service, are exclusively political. He proved this when, after his initial assertion that blacks tend to be disproportionately represented in combat units was debunked, he made the follow-up charge that the issue was intended to be rich versus poor rather than black versus white.

Having a backup accusation in case the first one fails demonstrates forethought and deceit.

Second, the claim by the editorial staff that this foolishness has any merit is disappointing. It is plain that Rangel?s draft was in no way conceived to better or benefit the military. Rather, it is an attempt to deepen any rift that may exist between rich and poor Americans.

I ask Army Times? editorial staff to answer this question: What possible merit can this idea have when it does not serve the military?

We should tell Rangel to take his fight against the wealthy somewhere else and allow the best-trained, equipped, supported and manned military in the world to do its duty.

Jonathon Beaver

Colorado Springs, Colo.
 

Valhalla1

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I would take up arms to defend (if the situation so deemed), in order of importance
My Home
My State (Texas. civil war was ~150 years ago folks, thats practially yesterday in reality.)
My Country

I would not volunteer to take up arms to invadade a sovreign nation without provocation
 

fredtam

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Jun 6, 2003
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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: CPA
What pisses my off the most is that BOTH of these bills were submitted by Democrats (Rengel and Hollins)! Not once, though, is that pointed out in this write-up. But, of course, Bush's name, as well as Ashcroft's, is in it and while they certaintly don't have anything to do with this, it is very easy for the uninformed to perceive this as part of the Bush agenda. Don't beleive me, I point out the part in the write-up that states that this "draft" will start "...conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW...". What's so convenient about that? Rengel is not even up for re-election in 2004. But guess who is - Bush! That statement alone implies that Bush is behind this, when in fact he doesn't have a gd thing to do with it. GD lying liberals.

so are you saying that kerry is behind this?

I'm sure he is not against it.



This has nothing to do with Kerry...comments like this are how misinformation gets started.

What do you mean. You don't think he has seen this somewhere. Hell it has been posted in some form close to ten times in the last month on this forum. It is a ploy by democrats. Even if it is just a few the majority (I would include Kerry here) would just assume have propaganda like this floating around. Why? Because idiots that don't care to look into things take it as the gospel and are more likely to vote for no draft=Kerry.

How would my post start misinformation?
 

Linux23

Lifer
Apr 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: Linux23
i wonder why prisoners are exempt from this draft, especially if they are in prison for murder? why should they get a free lunch in the prison system, let them work for their country too.



Yeah, I want some dude who killed the clerk for $25 fighting next to me...:roll:

hye, but at least they would be effective killing machines, although it may cost you your dignity if they decide to re-enact a prison rape scene during combat. :p
 

PHiuR

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Apr 24, 2001
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if we were being attacked.../ invaded / on our homeland... i WILL fight...

i personally don't like the idea of going into someones house and destroying it...

especially since we don't have a good reason besides the fact that they Don't like us... i wonder why...
 

dartworth

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: CPA
What pisses my off the most is that BOTH of these bills were submitted by Democrats (Rengel and Hollins)! Not once, though, is that pointed out in this write-up. But, of course, Bush's name, as well as Ashcroft's, is in it and while they certaintly don't have anything to do with this, it is very easy for the uninformed to perceive this as part of the Bush agenda. Don't beleive me, I point out the part in the write-up that states that this "draft" will start "...conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW...". What's so convenient about that? Rengel is not even up for re-election in 2004. But guess who is - Bush! That statement alone implies that Bush is behind this, when in fact he doesn't have a gd thing to do with it. GD lying liberals.

so are you saying that kerry is behind this?

I'm sure he is not against it.



This has nothing to do with Kerry...comments like this are how misinformation gets started.

What do you mean. You don't think he has seen this somewhere. Hell it has been posted in some form close to ten times in the last month on this forum. It is a ploy by democrats. Even if it is just a few the majority (I would include Kerry here) would just assume have propaganda like this floating around. Why? Because idiots that don't care to look into things take it as the gospel and are more likely to vote for no draft=Kerry.

How would my post start misinformation?



WTF are you babbling about???!!! This bill has nothing to do with John Kerry. He did not start the bill, nor is his name in the language of the bill.

Stop with the conspiracy theories and pull your head out of your ass already.
 

fredtam

Diamond Member
Jun 6, 2003
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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: fredtam
Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
Originally posted by: CPA
What pisses my off the most is that BOTH of these bills were submitted by Democrats (Rengel and Hollins)! Not once, though, is that pointed out in this write-up. But, of course, Bush's name, as well as Ashcroft's, is in it and while they certaintly don't have anything to do with this, it is very easy for the uninformed to perceive this as part of the Bush agenda. Don't beleive me, I point out the part in the write-up that states that this "draft" will start "...conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW...". What's so convenient about that? Rengel is not even up for re-election in 2004. But guess who is - Bush! That statement alone implies that Bush is behind this, when in fact he doesn't have a gd thing to do with it. GD lying liberals.

so are you saying that kerry is behind this?

I'm sure he is not against it.



This has nothing to do with Kerry...comments like this are how misinformation gets started.

What do you mean. You don't think he has seen this somewhere. Hell it has been posted in some form close to ten times in the last month on this forum. It is a ploy by democrats. Even if it is just a few the majority (I would include Kerry here) would just assume have propaganda like this floating around. Why? Because idiots that don't care to look into things take it as the gospel and are more likely to vote for no draft=Kerry.

How would my post start misinformation?



WTF are you babbling about???!!! This bill has nothing to do with John Kerry. He did not start the bill, nor is his name in the language of the bill.

Stop with the conspiracy theories and pull your head out of your ass already.

You sir are a fvcking idiot. It is not my fault your reading comprehension is poor so I will waste no more time explaining things to you. You seem to create your own misinformation. You honestly don't think Kerry is aware of these bills and the underlying purpose they serve? Again, you are a fvcking idiot.
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: PHiuR
if we were being attacked.../ invaded / on our homeland... i WILL fight...

i personally don't like the idea of going into someones house and destroying it...

especially since we don't have a good reason besides the fact that they Don't like us... i wonder why...

So if people are being slaughtered/Raped/Beaten/Tortured in the house next to you I take it your option would be to lock your doors and buy some earplugs so that you don't hear the screams?...nice
 

tweakmm

Lifer
May 28, 2001
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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: PHiuR
if we were being attacked.../ invaded / on our homeland... i WILL fight...

i personally don't like the idea of going into someones house and destroying it...

especially since we don't have a good reason besides the fact that they Don't like us... i wonder why...

So if people are being slaughtered/Raped/Beaten/Tortured in the house next to you I take it your option would be to lock your doors and buy some earplugs so that you don't hear the screams?...nice
If I was going to cap my neighbor in the head I wouldn't say it was because I thought he was going to kill me in my sleep.:roll:
 

olds

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Mar 3, 2000
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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
well atleast i'll be to old for the draft by the time this passes.

Also, someone forced into service will not make a good soilder.
What they need to do to get more enlisties is up the bonus for signing on and pay rates.

Integrity and principlies are what make a good soldier. Something that is lacking in most of Gen X and Y.
 

olds

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For those of you who want to go to Canada, the schools have a program for it. It's called "ROTC".
Run Off To Canada. Go sign up right away.