Is the Gov't. freaking for real!?

[EXman]

ElFenix loses his top ten postcount from a 1 year tour in Iraq and a 9600 baud modem 2 times a week

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
You are in a controlled environment. You will work your butt off and get fed just what and how much they want you to eat.

My dog was getting too heavy. He is being walked more and had his food intake halved. He has no choice.


The equivalent would work for people too.

What about the people that just don't care. The people that don't believe in it?

To the brig with you!

DI's are generally pretty good at motivating people.

 

[LuNoTiCK]

If they draft me, I doubt I can go. I have so many health problems anyway.

 

[Wheatmaster]

wow i didn't know until now the Nadar calls for withdrawal of troops from Iraq and publicly opposes the draft.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Here's some editorial comments in the Army Times (of course it's readership and content are slanted )
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Draft won?t help

I read with disbelief the editorial supporting Rep. Charles Rangel?s assertions that a draft should be reinstated to better spread the so-called sacrifices of military service out over a cross section of America [?Share the sacrifices,? Jan. 27].

First, Rangel?s motives, despite his prior military service, are exclusively political. He proved this when, after his initial assertion that blacks tend to be disproportionately represented in combat units was debunked, he made the follow-up charge that the issue was intended to be rich versus poor rather than black versus white.

Having a backup accusation in case the first one fails demonstrates forethought and deceit.

Second, the claim by the editorial staff that this foolishness has any merit is disappointing. It is plain that Rangel?s draft was in no way conceived to better or benefit the military. Rather, it is an attempt to deepen any rift that may exist between rich and poor Americans.

I ask Army Times? editorial staff to answer this question: What possible merit can this idea have when it does not serve the military?

We should tell Rangel to take his fight against the wealthy somewhere else and allow the best-trained, equipped, supported and manned military in the world to do its duty.

Jonathon Beaver

Colorado Springs, Colo.

Jonathon Beaver needs to ask a reservest or National Guardsman how they feel about being the best manned military in the world. Or the grunt that just did another tour in Bosnia or S. Korea... then get sent to the middle east....

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: EXman
ElFenix loses his top ten postcount from a 1 year tour in Iraq and a 9600 baud modem 2 times a week

good riddance!

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: DurocShark

Latest Major Action: 1/7/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.

Read the date, and quit posting about this!

If we have a draft, serve.
If we don't have a draft, I'd recommend serving anyway. Particularly if you want free college and a leg up on your career.

I'm too old to be drafted. I tried to sign up for the AF. My ASVAB score of 98 (in 1987) pretty much guaranteed me whatever job I wanted. But I have scoliosis and dorsal kyphosis. No Air Force for me.

oooo, i just learned how to treat those disorders in massage school. On a side note i went to AF Basic in 1987, who knows we could have been in the same BMTS squadron.

 

[CigarSmokedByClinton]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
You are in a controlled environment. You will work your butt off and get fed just what and how much they want you to eat.

My dog was getting too heavy. He is being walked more and had his food intake halved. He has no choice.


The equivalent would work for people too.

You gotta admit, though, it'd be a much bigger problem now than during, say, WWII. More people are overweight now.

 

[woowoo]

On a side note.....
People seem to forget that "A" draft has already begun.
Do you know anyone who was scheduled to be discharged?
Are they home?
Nope.
Involuntary contract extension........

Those guys served their time, now they can't come home.

I call that a draft

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: Hoober

Originally posted by: Skoorb
You'll be patroling in the desert by halloween. Mark my words! :evil:

You joke about it, Skoorb, but we'd be fighting in the desert so you could live in the U.S. with the freedoms you enjoy.

The war in Iraq has nothing to do with protecting the freedom of Americans.

 

[djheater]

I have thought a great deal about this. These are the thoughts of a one-time C.O., who would have certainly gone to prison for my beliefs.

The trouble with the moral objections is that it makes you a fair-weather patriot\citizen. If you are not a hypocrite you should be able to say clearly AT THIS MOMENT whether or not you would serve. As a citizen you are not given the right to CHOOSE the conflict, you are called, you serve. If you don't or won't you should leave now, you are not contributing and are not a full-fledged citizen. I am nearly a pacifist. I'm a staunch critic of all violent aggression, but I take very seriously my citizenship and obligation to this country.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they call the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...

Hell, I sure hope I've got a guy like you to walk behind in Iraq when we're fighting in a war that was supposed to yield WMDs but hasn't and where soldiers face IEDs around every corner.

If there's a draft, I'll go. But drafting soldiers for a war that's unpopular won't yield the best army. I predict that a draft, if incurred, will result in mass casualties for the U.S. and will greatly lower morale in the military.

In all major wars that the U.S. has fought in, popular or not, the citizen soldier (draftees) have always been the most courageous and dedicated. You, on the other hand, I wouldn't trust to change the toilet paper in my bathroom.

You mean the volunteers? I can't imagine that people forced to go would be more corageous and dedicated than people who volunteered.

That's because once you hit the ground you aren't fighting for your country...you're fighting for yourself and your buddies. Every veteran I've ever spoken to about that has said the same basic thing.

 

[JBT]

I doubt it will happen but if It does sure I will go.

 

[BigJ]

While I pretty much am not a fan of this war, if the draft is instituted, and I am drafted, I will go. That's the end of it. I'm 18 and have my entire life ahead of me, but only because of the ample opportunites and privileges this country has granted me. The least I can do is act when my country needs me.

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they start the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...

Fighting for your beliefs/rights and fighting for some rich oil baron with political agendas are two different things.

 

[BlamoHammer]

Never happen. If you think the social outcry was bad in the 70's, can you imagine what it would be like now? With the proliferation of mass-media, Vietnam-era protests would pale in comparison.

As a whole, the country was not outraged enough against 9/11 to be willing to put up with a draft. Not to mention the fact that there is no politician alive who has enough clout to push it through.

 

[Krk3561]

Whats the age order for the draft again? Doesnt it start at the high-20s then the last picked are 18? I turn 18 in December.

If there is a situation where we really need troops and the draft is reinstated, I'd probably volunteer rather than wait to be taken in the draft.

 

[Martin]

This bill may be dead, but someone's gonna have to fight the Syrians once bush is reelected! They have WMDs, NBCs and all sorts of other nasty three letter acronyms.

 

[ROTC1983]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
For those of you who want to go to Canada, the schools have a program for it. It's called "ROTC".
Run Off To Canada. Go sign up right away.

Hey

 

[StageLeft]

As a whole, the country was not outraged enough against 9/11 to be willing to put up with a draft.

I think that the US was outraged enough, but people have finally cooled to the point where rationality is tapping them on the head and saying that terrorism can't be taken headon by a military in most cases.

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: Ness

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Absolutely for real. Recently there are a lot of congressmen calling for this and by all accounts the draft will be reinstated by summer 04. If you're registered with the selective service I'd start running, because it will make basic training all the easier.

*under breath*
Lucky immagrant.




Again, not worried in the slightest.

Even if it was, and I was called up... grand. I've been contemplating it anyway.

My only thing is, and I'm sorry I honestly mean no offense to the military personelle allready over there. but I will be DAMNED before I take someone else life for a cause I do NOT agree with.

And while I agreed that Saddam needed to be removed....the current administration is just butchering this whole situation beyond belief....I honestly think they didnt have any real plan for things after the "kick him out" phase....

I will also say that I don't neccisarily agree with this article because a) bad timing, I sincerely doubt they'd push this through this year. b) Any commander in the military will tell you that they would MUCH rather have someone who WILLFULLY joined than someone who was forced to. c) Between my craptastic eyesight among other things, I seriously doubt I would be very unlikely to ever actually be on the ground somewhere.

Even if I was, I really doubt you could make me kill someone else for something I don't believe in.

 

[gunblade]

Well, who cares?
Whatever it is, life goes on.

 

[oniq]

Australia sounds like a nice escape.

 

[Balthazar]

Originally posted by: BigJ
While I pretty much am not a fan of this war, if the draft is instituted, and I am drafted, I will go. That's the end of it. I'm 18 and have my entire life ahead of me, but only because of the ample opportunites and privileges this country has granted me. The least I can do is act when my country needs me.

Yes, you have your whole life ahead of you, thats EXACTLY why you shouldn't be forced to risk your life for the WRONG reasons....

This has 0 to do with defending your country and EVERYTHING to to with defending the agendas and misguided actions os a former cokehead who can't remember basic information.

With more shady deals than you can shake a stick at, who has NO concern whatsoever for you or the freedom you SHOULD be willing to die for.

If this was a matter of putting our lives on the line to secure freedom and the wellbeing of ouyr country NONE of us would be against it.

But the people who have died in Iraq, sadly, tragically, did not do so defending our freedom and well-being....

Its what Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld and their ilk want, not whats best for us.

 

[Deeko]

If i were drafted, it would completely fvck up my college career. Sure, they'd pay for my college when I get back, but I'd forget just about everything I'd learned, and probably fail my next semester's classes. Also, they probably don't give the $20,000/year that my school charges in tuition, and I doubt my financial aid would remain intact when I get back.