Is the Gov't. freaking for real!?

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they call the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...

Hell, I sure hope I've got a guy like you to walk behind in Iraq when we're fighting in a war that was supposed to yield WMDs but hasn't and where soldiers face IEDs around every corner.

If there's a draft, I'll go. But drafting soldiers for a war that's unpopular won't yield the best army. I predict that a draft, if incurred, will result in mass casualties for the U.S. and will greatly lower morale in the military.

In all major wars that the U.S. has fought in, popular or not, the citizen soldier (draftees) have always been the most courageous and dedicated. You, on the other hand, I wouldn't trust to change the toilet paper in my bathroom.

You mean the volunteers? I can't imagine that people forced to go would be more corageous and dedicated than people who volunteered.

Then you are imagining wrong.

Been there done that.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Pulls up chair, cracks beer open, opens a jar of peanuts and waits for all the jelly babies to start whining.

Curious... when/where/how long did you serve ?

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Pulls up chair, cracks beer open, opens a jar of peanuts and waits for all the jelly babies to start whining.

Curious... when/where/how long did you serve ?

'68-'69 Dong Ha Province RVN.

 

[beer]

This has been reposted. I believe this is the third time.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Pulls up chair, cracks beer open, opens a jar of peanuts and waits for all the jelly babies to start whining.

Curious... when/where/how long did you serve ?

DONT GET HIM STARTED

HP served long and well in the nastest situations you could imagine. Hats off to him.

 

[Zeeky Boogy Doog]

Originally posted by: beer
This has been reposted. I believe this is the third time.

at least, and it everyannoys me time when i see people saying how theyd run their pussy a$s to canada to avoid the draft...

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they call the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...

Hell, I sure hope I've got a guy like you to walk behind in Iraq when we're fighting in a war that was supposed to yield WMDs but hasn't and where soldiers face IEDs around every corner.

If there's a draft, I'll go. But drafting soldiers for a war that's unpopular won't yield the best army. I predict that a draft, if incurred, will result in mass casualties for the U.S. and will greatly lower morale in the military.

In all major wars that the U.S. has fought in, popular or not, the citizen soldier (draftees) have always been the most courageous and dedicated. You, on the other hand, I wouldn't trust to change the toilet paper in my bathroom.

You mean the volunteers? I can't imagine that people forced to go would be more corageous and dedicated than people who volunteered.

Then you are imagining wrong.

Been there done that.

Why then does pretty much every modern military commander say that they would much rather have a volunteer army than a drafted army?

 

[rh71]

would love to hear some stories. What's RVN ?

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they start the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...

Good. I'll buy my way out and while you're off getting maimed I'll be mackin it to your chick.

 

[AvesPKS]

Well, everybody who's worried, sign up in the Navy or Air Force real quick and get that desk job...

 

[Wheatmaster]

hmm projectcensored.org seems to be down....what a coincidence....

 

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they call the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...

Hell, I sure hope I've got a guy like you to walk behind in Iraq when we're fighting in a war that was supposed to yield WMDs but hasn't and where soldiers face IEDs around every corner.

If there's a draft, I'll go. But drafting soldiers for a war that's unpopular won't yield the best army. I predict that a draft, if incurred, will result in mass casualties for the U.S. and will greatly lower morale in the military.

In all major wars that the U.S. has fought in, popular or not, the citizen soldier (draftees) have always been the most courageous and dedicated. You, on the other hand, I wouldn't trust to change the toilet paper in my bathroom.

You mean the volunteers? I can't imagine that people forced to go would be more corageous and dedicated than people who volunteered.

Then you are imagining wrong.

Been there done that.

How can I trust the government to properly provide for my safety across the world when I can't even trust it to offer convincing evidence of why the war started? A year and a half ago, all we heard was "WMDs, WMDs." Now, it's "making Iraq safer after Saddam." Where were the weapons that we were so SURE of? Why wasn't there a plan for the all-but-expected insurgency that's now cropping up all over Iraq?

The government hasn't offered me ANY convincing evidence that this war was to improve my safety. I have not yet seen convincing evidence that Saddam Hussein or Iraqis were connected with anything that happened in September, 2001, nor have I felt threatened by Iraqis at all in my lifetime.

I would willingly go fight a war if the connections between the ACTUAL attack on our country in 2001 and the war were CLEAR. But they are not. So I'll go to war if I get drafted, but I will NOT go willingly.

 

[elanarchist]

I posted a thread about this last week: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=1294787

The rumblings seem to be getting louder....

 

[Zeeky Boogy Doog]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they call the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...

Hell, I sure hope I've got a guy like you to walk behind in Iraq when we're fighting in a war that was supposed to yield WMDs but hasn't and where soldiers face IEDs around every corner.

If there's a draft, I'll go. But drafting soldiers for a war that's unpopular won't yield the best army. I predict that a draft, if incurred, will result in mass casualties for the U.S. and will greatly lower morale in the military.

In all major wars that the U.S. has fought in, popular or not, the citizen soldier (draftees) have always been the most courageous and dedicated. You, on the other hand, I wouldn't trust to change the toilet paper in my bathroom.

You mean the volunteers? I can't imagine that people forced to go would be more corageous and dedicated than people who volunteered.

Then you are imagining wrong.

Been there done that.

Why then does pretty much every modern military commander say that they would much rather have a volunteer army than a drafted army?

i would guess, not positive though, that it means the most courageous come from the draftees, not every draftee is the most courageous

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: rh71
would love to hear some stories. What's RVN ?

Republic of VietNam

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

well atleast i'll be to old for the draft by the time this passes.

Also, someone forced into service will not make a good soilder.
What they need to do to get more enlisties is up the bonus for signing on and pay rates.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: rh71
would love to hear some stories. What's RVN ?

RVN used to be The Republic of Viet Nam, South Viet Nam to most. I've been banned several times for getting off on tangents telling stories of how it really is, so I will have to pass right now. Thanks for asking, though.

:beer:

 

[elanarchist]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they call the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...

Hell, I sure hope I've got a guy like you to walk behind in Iraq when we're fighting in a war that was supposed to yield WMDs but hasn't and where soldiers face IEDs around every corner.

If there's a draft, I'll go. But drafting soldiers for a war that's unpopular won't yield the best army. I predict that a draft, if incurred, will result in mass casualties for the U.S. and will greatly lower morale in the military.

In all major wars that the U.S. has fought in, popular or not, the citizen soldier (draftees) have always been the most courageous and dedicated. You, on the other hand, I wouldn't trust to change the toilet paper in my bathroom.

You mean the volunteers? I can't imagine that people forced to go would be more corageous and dedicated than people who volunteered.

Then you are imagining wrong.

Been there done that.

How can I trust the government to properly provide for my safety across the world when I can't even trust it to offer convincing evidence of why the war started? A year and a half ago, all we heard was "WMDs, WMDs." Now, it's "making Iraq safer after Saddam." Where were the weapons that we were so SURE of? Why wasn't there a plan for the all-but-expected insurgency that's now cropping up all over Iraq?

The government hasn't offered me ANY convincing evidence that this war was to improve my safety. I have not yet seen convincing evidence that Saddam Hussein or Iraqis were connected with anything that happened in September, 2001, nor have I felt threatened by Iraqis at all in my lifetime.

I would willingly go fight a war if the connections between the ACTUAL attack on our country in 2001 and the war were CLEAR. But they are not. So I'll go to war if I get drafted, but I will NOT go willingly.

I'll :beer: to that

 

[Zeeky Boogy Doog]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: rh71
would love to hear some stories. What's RVN ?

RVN used to be The Republic of Viet Nam, South Viet Nam to most. I've been banned several times for getting off on tangents telling stories of how it really is, so I will have to pass right now. Thanks for asking, though.

:beer:

any links to these stories? or were they deleted? wouldnt mind reading them myself

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: PsychoticIdiot
whats the big deal? who cares if they call the draft? are you all that big of puss!es that you wouldnt even go fight for your country? im not going to go sign up for the army, but if i were drafted id go proudly dam it. war is some scary sh!t, but thats no reason to run away from it, dam...

Hell, I sure hope I've got a guy like you to walk behind in Iraq when we're fighting in a war that was supposed to yield WMDs but hasn't and where soldiers face IEDs around every corner.

If there's a draft, I'll go. But drafting soldiers for a war that's unpopular won't yield the best army. I predict that a draft, if incurred, will result in mass casualties for the U.S. and will greatly lower morale in the military.

In all major wars that the U.S. has fought in, popular or not, the citizen soldier (draftees) have always been the most courageous and dedicated. You, on the other hand, I wouldn't trust to change the toilet paper in my bathroom.

You mean the volunteers? I can't imagine that people forced to go would be more corageous and dedicated than people who volunteered.

Then you are imagining wrong.

Been there done that.

Why then does pretty much every modern military commander say that they would much rather have a volunteer army than a drafted army?

i would guess, not positive though, that it means the most courageous come from the draftees, not every draftee is the most courageous

What it means is that when people really get shot at and others have to depend on them, the character of the individual does not depend on if you were drafted or not. When push comes to shove you either have the right stuff or not. When you are in a hole, no one gives a damn if you enlisted or were drafted. It's if they can count on you.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Pulls up chair, cracks beer open, opens a jar of peanuts and waits for all the jelly babies to start whining.

Curious... when/where/how long did you serve ?

'68-'69 Dong Ha Province RVN.

oh wow. heh i thought you were younger then that.

If ever in dekalb IL area i will buy ya a beer! :beer:

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

*holds up beer to medical conditions that will prevent him from being drafted*



*waits for flames*

 

[Zeeky Boogy Doog]

Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
*holds up beer to medical conditions that will prevent him from being drafted*



*waits for flames*

what do u have?

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
well atleast i'll be to old for the draft by the time this passes.

Also, someone forced into service will not make a good soilder.
What they need to do to get more enlisties is up the bonus for signing on and pay rates.

Oh, how wrong you are, youngun.

I'm sure the millions who have served as draftees in the many wars we have fought, both popular and unpopular, would have a few things to say to you.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Absolutely for real. Recently there are a lot of congressmen calling for this and by all accounts the draft will be reinstated by summer 04. If you're registered with the selective service I'd start running, because it will make basic training all the easier.

LMFAO!

That was smoooth, Skoorb.