Jeez, I feel like I am on 20 questions right now or something. I'll give everything I can a shot, but I don't know everything about Christianity. I'm passionate about what I believe, but there is no way I can give you 100% answers on everything.
Also, it seems like many of you are flaming me almost in an attempt to get me to be angry or something. If you intent is to cause problems, can you please just keep it to spamming me with PM's so it doesn't detract from this thread? Thanks.
Oh come on now. Even though I don't agree with your choice I know you can come up with a better justification than comparing it to Jesus's crucifixion. Jesus was forced to be crucified by the will of others. No one is forcing you to remain a virgin until you get married. Even though Jesus may agree with your decision, he would also probably tell you that you are comparing apples and oranges with that example.
What it all boils down to is that you are choosing to practice the fraction of your religion which you actually have faith in while ignoring the rest just like everyone else who practices any kind of religion on this planet. It's all about faith. You have it when it comes to practicing abstinence until you are married. That is your only argument which cannot be countered properly and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm not posting here to tell you that you are wrong or to try and change your mind. I just want you to fully understand the risks you are taking and why. If you understand that and choose to do it anyways then that's fine.
Jesus was God first off. If he didn't want to be crucified he could have gotten himself out of there. One of the many perks of being almighty
. This is the exact same thing for me (Less painful of course
). I can choose at any time to disobey the commandment, but I don't. I love Jesus in the same way that Jesus loved each of us.
I challenge you to find a "fraction of my religion" in which I am ignoring. I'm not perfect, but I most definitely do not choose to ignore any aspect of my religion.
No good looking people save themselves for marriage. That's the bottom line.
Nonsense, I know plenty of amazing and attractive people who are saving themselves.
first, how can you describe sex as "a deep personal, spiritual, physical, and emotional connection," without ever having known it? It's different for different people, to define it as some holy paragon of human experience is ludicrious. It's a natural thing. Sure, it is amazing, it's fun, some enjoy it only when they feel a deep emotional connection to their partner, some enjoy it simply because it releases a shit-load of endorphins. It's been with humans since before we created God, so let's not retroactively stamp it with a holier-than-it-deserves label
your verse, as it stands, says nothing about pre-marital sex. you have placed your own definition of "sexual-immorality" into a verse that claims it is unfavorable to God. I claim "sexual-immorality" means having sex with dogs, nothing more. it still works in that verse from Ephesians. Strange though, how it still makes sense, without me having to think that pre-marital sex is immoral. Strange how the Bible accepts any meaning you want to put into it.... Almost as if it were designed as a guidebook to live well and decent amongst our fellow humans, yet a piss-poor document to determine laws and set-in-stone rules by which we must live and abide. Hmmmm...
I've never been crucified in the exact way Jesus had. Does that make it any less painful for me to know that he was nailed onto a wooden cross and tortured?? Same with sex-- just because I haven't had sex does not mean that I know nothing about it.
As for the bolded part, I don't mean to be blunt or rude, but you have that 100% backwards.
There is something to be said about endorphins being released into your body. To explore that; however, we also need to look at how you define sin.
The Bible defines sin as anything that pulls you further from God. God set us free from that sin. So by saying he set us free from sin, that must mean that sin is like shackles or chains. In short, sin ensnares us and holds us as prisoner.
If you become addicted to that feeling you are essentially being held captive in your own sin. I recently read a book "Every Young Man's Battle" and one quote I really think illustrated this well was "God loves us and hates when we are held captive with our own sin. (May not be the exact words but close enough
).
As for non-biblical evidence-- I believe I already provided a bunch.
Relationships are TORN apart by sex. One side is uncomfortable with the other, one side isn't as pleased as they used to be, one side only wants sex while the other wants a relationship.
Even more so, you sleep together and then the girl gets pregnant. If you aren't married (By marriage this time, I mean confessed unending love for each other as well as the time you both deemed that you are financially stable) how are you going to support this child? For some of us, what about college?
Going on, there is an embarrassment factor. If I slept with a close friend, I seriously doubt I could look at her in the exact same way ever again. I will have seen her naked among all the other physical aspects to sex.
Relationships MUST be intentional and both parties MUST be in the same place. If you didn't catch on, by getting married, people vow to all of the aforementioned things. You vow to be loving, intentional, genuine, pure, etc...
so ah, why should we, or anyone else, accept that your interpretations of verses/commandments are the correct ones? Is it b/c pastor Dan told you how to interpret them? You know, the biggest controversy over exegesis comes from within the Church than it does among the secular. Not exactly a fine example of solidarity for "The Word."
Your defense would be "Yeah, but I know my interpretation is right."
That isn't my defense at all and I don't appreciate you assuming all my answers are frail and weak.
I believe his interpretation may be wrong if he has pulled the verse out of context. The Bible is made up of books, and chapters, and verses for a reason-- you can just pull out one phrase and expect to apply it. Furthermore, NOTHING the Bible says can be taken at face value. There is always ways in which it can be applied.
Example? "Love your neighbor as yourself". That should be simple right? What about speeding? The speed limit is put in place for ours and others safety. By not following it we are certainly not valuing our life as much, and by doing that we aren't valuing other people on the road as much. Pretty cool how much everything applies
Getting back to the point, I don't believe anyone should TELL you how to interpret them. People, on their walks through faith, should come to their own conclusion which satisfies all of God's commandments. If they need an example, all they have to do then is to look at Jesus.
Did Sunday deter Jesus from casting out demons or healing people or preaching? No, so why should it deter me on my walk in faith? Thats what makes me believe he may have interpreted the passage wrong.
I pray that you aren't too let down if (when) it doesn't work out this way.
"When" huh? I know in my heart that God will take care of me regardless of what happens. I also know that when I find the woman of my dreams sex is going to be merely one stop on a great journey-- not something to dwell on.
I am not a virgin but I think it would have been a great experience to share with someone special. I've had sex with several girls, and now I met someone (who I think is the one) from Morocco where girls almost always save themselves for marriage. I feel that it is somewhat unfair, I don't deserve her as much...I don't really how to explain it, but I wish I was a virgin for her... but again that sex from 16-24 was great stuff man ...lol
Now I know I am not getting any until we're married, if we do.
Living example of an adverse affect-- SHAME. Not once in the Bible does God say "Shame on you".
Prodigals son. I would strongly encourage you to read the prodigals son. The more I read it the more ways it applies to life. At the end, the son, after committing so much wrong comes back in shame. The father says "or this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.' So they began to celebrate.".
Its amazing, no matter what we do we are always Gods children. We are never called to be shameful-- EVER. Anyone who condemns someone for what they have done should be considered an Anti-Christ and people shouldn't pay any mind to their teachings.
God's love is unconditional-- no matter what we do, we are always his children.
Stop being such a drama queen. Your virginity is no big deal...neither is anyone elses.
This thread is about virginity so it is apparently a big deal to him and to others in this thread. If you don't care about it much, please leave and stop flaming others in this thread.
TruePaige, I am reading the verses over (Thank you so much for helping find them) right after I post this message. Old Testament takes longer to absorb than the New Testament sometimes
-Kevin
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