Do you do any kind of work on Sunday's? Ever?
Do you eat shellfish?
I'm sure you don't follow everything in there, so you're just coming off as a hypocrite.
Do you do any kind of work on Sunday's? Ever?
Do you eat shellfish?
I'm sure you don't follow everything in there, so you're just coming off as a hypocrite.
Gamingphreek
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Originally posted by: bignateyk
Better to find out your SO is gonna stop putting out before you get married than after.
edit: And having a relationship that struggles because of sex is just as valid as a relationship struggling for any other reason. If you wait until you get married to have sex it's not like those problems would just vanish. You're just waiting to uncover them until you're married and then you're screwed.
But when you have sex you opened your body completely up physically and emotionally.
If I merely went out on a few dates with someone and we decided against it, then it wouldn't be that painful to stop.
If I were to have sex with someone, there are HUGE numbers of factors that then come into play.
When you get married you accept that you will have problems and arguments. But the fact is you are then acknowledging that you will love each other until the end of time. Petty arguments and stuff like this does not break up a marriage in which God is, and always was, the central figure.
-Kevin
You know, Al Bundy seems to think that's a good thingOriginally posted by: bignateyk
Better to find out your SO is gonna stop putting out before you get married than after.
In fact, in a few minutes, I was able to start a list of things that you are to do, and see if you do any?
Do you do any kind of work on Sunday's? Ever?
Do you eat shellfish?
Do you eat pork?
Do you not sit in seats that women have sat in?
Do you not touch women during that time of the month? (I know you don't if you are how you say, but is that really wrong?)
Have you ever built a biblical hut?
Also..do you stone adulterers? It says to stone them in the old testament.
I'm fine with people believing anyhting that please, but when you say you're a christian and then above say you don't see how someone can be a christian and break the sex rule, you sir, become a hypocrite, because you are breaking rules as well.
Do you do any kind of work on Sunday's? Ever?
Do you eat shellfish?
Do you eat pork?
Do you not sit in seats that women have sat in?
Do you not touch women during that time of the month? (I know you don't if you are how you say, but is that really wrong?)
Have you ever built a biblical hut?
Also..do you stone adulterers? It says to stone them in the old testament.
I'm fine with people believing anyhting that please, but when you say you're a christian and then above say you don't see how someone can be a christian and break the sex rule, you sir, become a hypocrite, because you are breaking rules as well.
Gamingphreek
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Ironically enough, I do not eat shellfish
. I'm not too big on sea food.As for the "Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it Holy" (ie: Sunday) you are misinterpreting the commandment.
As for the hypocrite remark-- there isn't much to say there. I, unlike a lot of so called "Christians", believe every single word of the Bible. I know I fall short of the commandments every day in my life. Every time I get angry at someone I feel myself pulled further away from God.
The difference between that and any other group is that Jesus died to save us from that. He was perfect so that, even though we try and fail, it is through his grace and love that we are made perfect.
You call me a hypocrite, I say absolutely. I wish I was perfect and could live 100% like Jesus did, but I can't and I accept that. I certainly hope I show in my posts here how I keep God as the central focus and boast only in him.
-Kevin
Gamingphreek
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Science fiction is just that "fiction". I'm not sure what you are grabbing at here-- I apologize.
Truepaige -- you have a lot of great questions and I actually have work in a few minutes, but I'll come back and make my best attempt at answering them later in the day.
-Kevin
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ironically enough, I do not eat shellfish
As for the "Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it Holy" (ie: Sunday) you are misinterpreting the commandment.
As for the hypocrite remark-- there isn't much to say there. I, unlike a lot of so called "Christians", believe every single word of the Bible. I know I fall short of the commandments every day in my life. Every time I get angry at someone I feel myself pulled further away from God.
The difference between that and any other group is that Jesus died to save us from that. He was perfect so that, even though we try and fail, it is through his grace and love that we are made perfect.
You call me a hypocrite, I say absolutely. I wish I was perfect and could live 100% like Jesus did, but I can't and I accept that. I certainly hope I show in my posts here how I keep God as the central focus and boast only in him.
-Kevin
I made a longer list, just to show how impossible it is to do everything as mentioned, or how prohibitive it may be.
It's fine if you have a chosen way to worship, but I don't think you should try to exclude people because they don't follow as strictly, or in the same fashion as yourself.
Everyone should do as they heart tells them to.
I'd be glad to hear them, I'll check back in later.
I don't see a thing wrong with your beliefs, just speaking mine, and trying to get you to open up your thoughts to others ways of worship. =)
TallBill
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I'm referring to the fact that I read the bible as a fictional work, so quotes from it can guide my life, but dont. I'm not trashing the bible, it has some good stories, but I've taken in more from other works.
So quoting the bible as an arguement doesn't work for the general public. There has to be some other reason.
JulesMaximus
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I'd think a lot of them would be because of religion.
Edit: and then I read the entire thread and it's all about religion. :Q
Edit: and then I read the entire thread and it's all about religion. :Q
Gamingphreek
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The Bible commands us to rest as God did when he created the Heavens and the Earth. This rest needs to be emotionally, physically, and spiritually. I wholeheartedly believe that I need time to focus on God more in my busy schedule.
To elaborate more, the Bible says to "Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it holy". I do my best to honor God every single day of my life. Where I fall short of that is when grace picks me up.
These are all great questions, but you need to give me a scriptural reference because it seems like you are pulling a lot out of context here. I don't pretend to know the Bible inside and out, but would like to continue this if you can help me find the scripture that you are referencing.
No I don't because of what Jesus does for us in the New Testament. I think you are pulling this passage out of context as well, but irregardless, when the High Priests as Jesus what they should do with a woman of ill-repute they found.
Jesus replied "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.". Jesus came and gave us a new commandment, to "Love one another as he has loved us".
Outside of that, I really need scriptural reference before I can reply to the middle part-- I apologize profusely and hope we can continue the conversation.
-Kevin
Edit:
I respect your beliefs but respectfully disagree that I will embrace them. I hope we can both be tested in what we believe though and am excited to have the conversation.
slayer202
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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: bignateyk
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I'm sure if I went to parties and what not I'm sure it wouldn't take too long. I am saving myself for that one special girl whom God has planned for me in my life-- and it is going to be worth the wait I'm sure
Except for the fact that you'll be terrible at sex to start out with. Although if you get a girl who is also saving herself she won't know any different.
I've got myself a born again christian and DAMN... she's a freak in bed. I think she has the kama sutra memorized. You'd never suspect it either. She is completely innocent, and the perfect girl to take home to mom.
edit: My sister saved herself for marriage. She was with her husband for 7 years before they got married. I feel bad for my brother in law
Yet another reason to wait. If you are with someone whom you love and you know you will love until "Death parts [you]" -- why should it matter? Plus if you both had the same mindset, that girl would be equally nervous.
As for what you say "you have". I seriously hope you treat her with more respect than you are giving her on the AT Forums here.
-Kevin
how long did it take to convince yourself of that?
Hey there Gamingphreek, I don't know all the passages by heart, but I will do my best to pull references.
About the woman sitting part and the time of the month part:
( "And everything upon which she lies during her impurity shall be unclean; everything also upon which she sits shall be unclean." Leviticus 15:20).
About the Shellfish:
Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
You can find a lot about clean and unclean foods when Elohim gave the clean and unclean foods to eat in the following books:
Leviticus 11:1-47
Deuteronomy 14: 3-20
On the same note here is some background information on bibilical thoughts on pork, and how they are an unclean animal:
Isaiah 1:6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
Isaiah 65:2-4 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels.
Understand this really makes God very unhappy. Your being told that God hates what the children do to their blood stream.
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Luckily, if you're trying to eat right, you can stick with Kosher Crickets:
The bible bans eating most insects, but they ahve exception for locusts, crickets and grasshoppers. (Leviticus 11:22)
Hope that helps a bit. =)
About the woman sitting part and the time of the month part:
( "And everything upon which she lies during her impurity shall be unclean; everything also upon which she sits shall be unclean." Leviticus 15:20).
About the Shellfish:
Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
You can find a lot about clean and unclean foods when Elohim gave the clean and unclean foods to eat in the following books:
Leviticus 11:1-47
Deuteronomy 14: 3-20
On the same note here is some background information on bibilical thoughts on pork, and how they are an unclean animal:
Isaiah 1:6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
Isaiah 65:2-4 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels.
Understand this really makes God very unhappy. Your being told that God hates what the children do to their blood stream.
Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Luckily, if you're trying to eat right, you can stick with Kosher Crickets:
The bible bans eating most insects, but they ahve exception for locusts, crickets and grasshoppers. (Leviticus 11:22)
Hope that helps a bit. =)
moshquerade
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Topic Title: Is saving yourself for marriage usually because...
Topic Summary: nobody wants you?
no.
because the person they are marrying obviously wants them.
Topic Summary: nobody wants you?
no.
because the person they are marrying obviously wants them.
glenn beck
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What does this have to do with anything??? New Testament and Old Testament are different
for a reason
The New Testament did not invalidate the old testament. Nice way to point out you have no rational counter. Maybe you should live more strictly?
Oh come on now. Even though I don't agree with your choice I know you can come up with a better justification than comparing it to Jesus's crucifixion. Jesus was forced to be crucified by the will of others. No one is forcing you to remain a virgin until you get married. Even though Jesus may agree with your decision, he would also probably tell you that you are comparing apples and oranges with that example.
What it all boils down to is that you are choosing to practice the fraction of your religion which you actually have faith in while ignoring the rest just like everyone else who practices any kind of religion on this planet. It's all about faith. You have it when it comes to practicing abstinence until you are married. That is your only argument which cannot be countered properly and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm not posting here to tell you that you are wrong or to try and change your mind. I just want you to fully understand the risks you are taking and why. If you understand that and choose to do it anyways then that's fine.
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I'm sure if I went to parties and what not I'm sure it wouldn't take too long. I am saving myself for that one special girl whom God has planned for me in my life-- and it is going to be worth the wait I'm sure
QFT
Not to mention, I'm not financially able to support the consequences of the action. (Kids)
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