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Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

Intel Raptor Lake UIntel Wildcat Lake 15WIntel Lunar LakeIntel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch DateQ1-2024Q2-2026Q3-2024Q1-2026
ModelIntel 150UIntel Core 7 360Core Ultra 7 268VCore Ultra 7 365
Dies2223
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU2 P-core + 8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads12688
Max Clock5.4 GHz4.8 GHz5 GHz4.8 GHz
L3 Cache12 MB6 MB12 MB12 MB
TDP15 - 55 W15 - 35 W17 - 37 W25 - 55 W
Memory128-bit LPDDR5-520064-bit LPDDR5x-7467128-bit LPDDR5x-8533128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size96 GB48 GB32 GB128 GB
Bandwidth83 GB/s60 GB/s136 GB/s120 GB/s
GPUIntel GraphicsIntel GraphicsArc 140VIntel Graphics
RTNoNoYESYES
EU / Xe96 EU2 Xe8 Xe4 Xe
Max Clock1.3 GHz2.6 GHz2 GHz2.5 GHz
NPUGNA 3.017 TOPS48 TOPS49 TOPS






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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I think we had all the signs already, and anyone who went out of their way to show PTL laptops as ultra expensive vs. competition is going to have a nasty wake-up call. Maybe PTL is more expensive than ARL, maybe not, but the bulk of the price premium we've seen with PTL equipped laptops is obviously linked to market conditions.

BTW, anyone here who's considering buying a reasonably priced laptop for actual use (not fun with the latest and greatest hardware), shop now for 255H/285H or AI 350 units. The tidal wave will soon be here.
 
coercitiv said:
BTW, anyone here who's considering buying a reasonably priced laptop for actual use (not fun with the latest and greatest hardware), shop now for 255H/285H or AI 350 units. The tidal wave will soon be here.
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Yeah I was waiting for PTL myself but when it became clear the supply constraints on RAM were about to get REALLY bad and that the timeline for it to ease up would be a while even after the bubble pops, I jumped on a Black Friday deal on a Lunar Lake Thinkpad. LNL's a bit underpowered CPU side for the long term but it's a hell of a lot better than shelling out probably 2x what I spent for a similar SKU with PTL over the next few months.

Best case scenario I run this until NVL is out and semi-affordable.
 
eek2121 said:
It doesn't really matter. Intel is going out of it's way to not make this a competitive part for DIY. Again, shooting themselves in the foot.
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Tell me, how can they make this a competitive part for DIY? I don't think moving the Lion Cove cores with slow uncore is going to be looked much favorably, and it doesn't support DDR4 to deal with the RAM issue. If it's DDR5 only you might as well get Arrowlake.

Also it's foolish to think they'll cater for you when in the Files they are literally talking about wanting poor people dead - aka YOU.
 
Magio said:
Yeah I was waiting for PTL myself but when it became clear the supply constraints on RAM were about to get REALLY bad and that the timeline for it to ease up would be a while even after the bubble pops, I jumped on a Black Friday deal on a Lunar Lake Thinkpad. LNL's a bit underpowered CPU side for the long term but it's a hell of a lot better than shelling out probably 2x what I spent for a similar SKU with PTL over the next few months.

Best case scenario I run this until NVL is out and semi-affordable.
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Was it the Thinkpad X9-15 you got? How do you like it?

I was considering the PTL version, X9-15P but I'm sure the cost will be painful for the 64GB + 2TB option. It is one of the few options for a thin and light ~3.1 lb machine that can still handle 45w TDP and it has a large 88whr battery.
 
controlflow said:
Was it the Thinkpad X9-15 you got? How do you like it?

I was considering the PTL version, X9-15P but I'm sure the cost will be painful for the 64GB + 2TB option. It is one of the few options for a thin and light ~3.1 lb machine that can still handle 45w TDP and it has a large 88whr battery.
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I got the X9-14, I like it a lot. The only flaw it has in my view is the 55Wh battery isn't enough for a 14 inch 120Hz hi res OLED, no matter how efficient the chip is. Other than that great build quality, keyboard and touchpad, screen, speakers, ... And it works flawlessly with Linux. The X9-15 fixes the battery issue but I did read they're not made by the same team and apparently the touchpad isn't quite as good?

As for the 15p it definitely looks like a winner but it's apparently set to start at 2000$. If you want to go 2TB, you're probably better off buying the lowest storage config and buying an M.2 drive 2nd hand. I will however point out that Thinkpads do go for good discounts eventually if you can wait a while, I got mine for 1200€ when the MSRP for that config is near 2000€.
 
511 said:
OLED is a bad thing for battery life wish Someone reviewed both the LCD and OLED Display in XPS
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Toms guide did. Around 9hrs lower on OLED vs LCD. Although the resolution was also much lower and OLED doesn’t drop down to 1Hz.
 
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poke01 said:
Toms guide did. Around 9hrs lower on OLED vs LCD. Although the resolution was also much lower and OLED doesn’t drop down to 1Hz.
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What if doing apples to apples comparison with same resolution?

Also, I guess it matters if one is using black or white background. The former should be better for OLED, since no active light is needed for the black pixels where as LCD always has to keep the backlight on.
 
Fjodor2001 said:
What if doing apples to apples comparison with same resolution?

Also, I guess it matters if one is using black or white background. The former should be better for OLED, since no active light is needed for the black pixels where as LCD always has to keep the backlight on.
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FWIW OLED gains on black backgrounds are sometimes overstated because it only really yields dividends when the screen is mostly filled with pure blacks, which isn't a very realistic scenario in normal use.

For peak battery life you definitely still would prefer LCD tho I will say that nowadays when you can get 70Wh on 14" laptops and 85+Wh on 15" ones, as long as the chip is efficient and the OEM correctly tuned the machine you'll still get plentiful longevity even with an OLED.
 
poke01 said:
Toms guide did. Around 9hrs lower on OLED vs LCD. Although the resolution was also much lower and OLED doesn’t drop down to 1Hz.
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That's a lot even if it doesn't drop to 1Hz the gap would be significant to not consider OLED i don't like the funky nature of OLED when it comes to battery
 
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Is Wildcat Lake Intel's answer to A18 Pro?
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It's a replacement for N100 cheap raptors
 
WCL is the replacement for Alder Lake N / Twin Lake.
And - on paper - it should be a big step forward for the bottom of the market.
 
Hopefully WCL will eventually work its way into cheap-ish NAS like the N100 did, would be a perfect fit for that.
 
511 said:
it's got the same IP as PTL just cost optimized
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That's what makes it so appealing, Xe³ media engine and Darkmont e-cores are just perfect for a NAS. But can the costs on 18A be optimized to the point where it's in the same sort of pricing as N100, that's the big question.
 
Magio said:
That's what makes it so appealing, Xe³ media engine and Darkmont e-cores are just perfect for a NAS. But can the costs on 18A be optimized to the point where it's in the same sort of pricing as N100, that's the big question.
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It can be relatively cheap considering how small it is and there is no advanced packing
 
Magio said:
That's what makes it so appealing, Xe³ media engine and Darkmont e-cores are just perfect for a NAS. But can the costs on 18A be optimized to the point where it's in the same sort of pricing as N100, that's the big question.
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The current trend with manufacturers is to go with old architectures for NAS enclosures. Even newcomers like Ugreen who compensate for their immature software with much stronger hardware are still offering Raptor Lake silicon at best. Commercially available units from variuous vendors are still just as likely to have Gemini Lake / Jasper Lake rather than Alder Lake-N for example.

The alternative is to setup a secondary home server based on modern silicon and play the value game for the NAS to recoup some of the extra cost. WCL sounds like a fantastic chip for a SFF build.
 
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