Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

		Intel Raptor Lake U	Intel Wildcat Lake 15W?	Intel Lunar Lake		Intel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch Date		Q1-2024	Q2-2026	Q3-2024		Q1-2026
Model		Intel 150U	Intel Core 7	Core Ultra 7 268V		Core Ultra 7 365
Dies		2	2	2		3
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU		2 P-core + 8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads		12	6	8		8
Max Clock		5.4 GHz	?	5 GHz		4.8 GHz
L3 Cache		12 MB		12 MB		12 MB
TDP		15 - 55 W	15 W ?	17 - 37 W		25 - 55 W
Memory		128-bit LPDDR5-5200	64-bit LPDDR5	128-bit LPDDR5x-8533		128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size		96 GB		32 GB		128 GB
Bandwidth				136 GB/s
GPU		Intel Graphics	Intel Graphics	Arc 140V		Intel Graphics
RT		No	No	YES		YES
EU / Xe		96 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		4 Xe
Max Clock		1.3 GHz	?	2 GHz		2.5 GHz
NPU		GNA 3.0	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		49 TOPS

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[511]

So does anybody know if there are free of the stability issues of the P/E Raptor Lake chips?

They are new stepping and for embedded should not have the issue

 

[coercitiv]

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I think we had all the signs already, and anyone who went out of their way to show PTL laptops as ultra expensive vs. competition is going to have a nasty wake-up call. Maybe PTL is more expensive than ARL, maybe not, but the bulk of the price premium we've seen with PTL equipped laptops is obviously linked to market conditions.

BTW, anyone here who's considering buying a reasonably priced laptop for actual use (not fun with the latest and greatest hardware), shop now for 255H/285H or AI 350 units. The tidal wave will soon be here.

 

[DrMrLordX]

The tidal wave will soon be here.

Interestingly-enough, there were some sales on the HX 370 and HX 375 lappies from HP recently. I wonder why?

edit: maybe a little off-topic but I think the Arrow Lake lappies they had in the same line (Omen) were also on sale.

 

[Magio]

BTW, anyone here who's considering buying a reasonably priced laptop for actual use (not fun with the latest and greatest hardware), shop now for 255H/285H or AI 350 units. The tidal wave will soon be here.

Yeah I was waiting for PTL myself but when it became clear the supply constraints on RAM were about to get REALLY bad and that the timeline for it to ease up would be a while even after the bubble pops, I jumped on a Black Friday deal on a Lunar Lake Thinkpad. LNL's a bit underpowered CPU side for the long term but it's a hell of a lot better than shelling out probably 2x what I spent for a similar SKU with PTL over the next few months.

Best case scenario I run this until NVL is out and semi-affordable.

 

[DavidC1]

It doesn't really matter. Intel is going out of it's way to not make this a competitive part for DIY. Again, shooting themselves in the foot.

Tell me, how can they make this a competitive part for DIY? I don't think moving the Lion Cove cores with slow uncore is going to be looked much favorably, and it doesn't support DDR4 to deal with the RAM issue. If it's DDR5 only you might as well get Arrowlake.

Also it's foolish to think they'll cater for you when in the Files they are literally talking about wanting poor people dead - aka YOU.

 

[controlflow]

Yeah I was waiting for PTL myself but when it became clear the supply constraints on RAM were about to get REALLY bad and that the timeline for it to ease up would be a while even after the bubble pops, I jumped on a Black Friday deal on a Lunar Lake Thinkpad. LNL's a bit underpowered CPU side for the long term but it's a hell of a lot better than shelling out probably 2x what I spent for a similar SKU with PTL over the next few months.

Best case scenario I run this until NVL is out and semi-affordable.

Was it the Thinkpad X9-15 you got? How do you like it?

I was considering the PTL version, X9-15P but I'm sure the cost will be painful for the 64GB + 2TB option. It is one of the few options for a thin and light ~3.1 lb machine that can still handle 45w TDP and it has a large 88whr battery.