Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

		Intel Alder Lake - N	Intel Wildcat Lake	Intel Lunar Lake		Mediatek D9500
Launch Date		Q1-2023	Q2-2026 ?	Q3-2024		Q3-2025
Model		Intel N300	?	Core Ultra 7 268V		Dimensity 9500 5G
Dies		2	2	2		1
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		TSMC N3P
CPU		8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		C1 1+3+4
Threads		8	6	8		8
Max Clock		3.8 GHz	?	5 GHz
L3 Cache		6 MB	?	12 MB
TDP		7 W	Fanless ?	17 W		Fanless
Memory		64-bit LPDDR5-4800	64-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?	128-bit LPDDR5X-8533		64-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size		16 GB	?	32 GB		24 GB ?
Bandwidth			~ 55 GB/s	136 GB/s		85.6 GB/s
GPU		UHD Graphics		Arc 140V		G1 Ultra
EU / Xe		32 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		12
Max Clock		1.25 GHz		2 GHz
NPU		NA	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		100 TOPS ?

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[Thunder 57]

Not enough 5GHz+ yields.

Thats what I was thinking. Pretty much a 10900k vs 10850k scenario.

 

[poke01]

The N3E based XE3 GPU is looking like it might a 500MHz increase over lunar lake.

This could be fastest iGPU in any SoC that uses a 128-bit bus especially with the new architecture.

 

[511]

Not enough 5GHz+ yields.

Like LNL had them to begin with 🤣🤣 .

 

[coercitiv]

Naw, them being quiet is good news. We want underpromise, overdeliver right? They were pretty quiet before Core 2 launch.

Intel's current modus operandi when it comes to competitive products is the exact reverse: they become surprisingly talkative when something nice is on the horizon. My guess is Panther Lake will end up somewhere between MTL and LNL: unimpressive performance uplift but solid product overall. The main pain points will be product/node delays and lack of meaningful ST perf improvement.

 

[igor_kavinski]

lack of meaningful ST perf improvement.

Hope they finally get 5% higher ST perf than ADL/RPL in the worst scenario.

"No child should have to look at what their parent(s) did and go, damn, I can't beat that!" - Igor Kavinski 1980-2025 (?)

 

[511]

It's Lion Cove+ at the end of the day you can't expect magic out of refreshed core if it matches ARL-H St perf it's fine.
18A is a node shrink so the perf/watt would be the main thing to look out for.
New IP is the NPU/GPU.

 

[Henry swagger]

It's Lion Cove+ at the end of the day you can't expect magic out of refreshed core if it matches ARL-H St perf it's fine.
18A is a node shrink so the perf/watt would be the main thing to look out for.
New IP is the NPU/GPU.

How do ypu know its lion cove+ ? We still have to wait for architecture details. But i.m sure darkmontvwill have same ipc per clock

 

[511]

How do ypu know its lion cove+ ? We still have to wait for architecture details. But i.m sure darkmontvwill have same ipc per clock

Through Intel

https://twitter.com/x/status/1959987289150370105

 

[poke01]

It's Lion Cove+ at the end of the day you can't expect magic out of refreshed core if it matches ARL-H St perf it's fine.
18A is a node shrink so the perf/watt would be the main thing to look out for.
New IP is the NPU/GPU.

If PTL-H matches ARL-H while being 300MHz slower that is a decent IPC uplift.

Also a refreshed core/design can still bring huge improvements see, RDNA 3 to RDNA 3.5 and M4 P core to M5 P core.

 

[511]

Also a refreshed core/design can still bring huge improvements see, RDNA 3 to RDNA 3.5 and M4 P core to M5 P core.

If done properly. M4P to M5P is how much gain also not in Tab but in laptop.