Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

		Intel Raptor Lake U	Intel Wildcat Lake 15W?	Intel Lunar Lake		Intel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch Date		Q1-2024	Q2-2026	Q3-2024		Q1-2026
Model		Intel 150U	Intel Core 7	Core Ultra 7 268V		Core Ultra 7 365
Dies		2	2	2		3
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU		2 P-core + 8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads		12	6	8		8
Max Clock		5.4 GHz	?	5 GHz		4.8 GHz
L3 Cache		12 MB		12 MB		12 MB
TDP		15 - 55 W	15 W ?	17 - 37 W		25 - 55 W
Memory		128-bit LPDDR5-5200	64-bit LPDDR5	128-bit LPDDR5x-8533		128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size		96 GB		32 GB		128 GB
Bandwidth				136 GB/s
GPU		Intel Graphics	Intel Graphics	Arc 140V		Intel Graphics
RT		No	No	YES		YES
EU / Xe		96 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		4 Xe
Max Clock		1.3 GHz	?	2 GHz		2.5 GHz
NPU		GNA 3.0	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		49 TOPS

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[poke01]

I'm guessing behind a closed doors auction event.

lol, I don’t buy that 2026 was the launch date for on shelves.

Here’s what likely happened, 18A got delayed hence the date got moved to 2026.

PTL was originally a 2025 product got pushed back. Remember, Intel always releases products by Q4 for end users to buy.

 

[regen1]

Last year they had ITT in June, just after Computex and launch event for Lunar Lake in Sept. In 2023 they had ITT in August, launch event for MTL in December, very few designs were available in December(through EEP) to buy until 2024.

PTL launch seemed to be kinda more in line with MTL, was supposed to launch one SKU(4+8+4+12Xe3) towards the end of year through EEP. Let's see. Anyway CES 2026 would be where more OEM designs are showcased.

 

[RTX2080]

I gather “good food is not afraid of being late” to be a positive connotation meaning Panther lake is worth the wait

It's just some misunderstanding caused by translation.

PTL launch seemed to be kinda more in line with MTL, was supposed to launch one SKU(4+8+4+12Xe3) towards the end of year through EEP. Let's see. Anyway CES 2026 would be where more OEM designs are showcased.

EEP is pushed back to Q1, said by same leaker.

PTL was originally a 2025 product got pushed back. Remember, Intel always releases products by Q4 for end users to buy.

Yes it got pushed back roughly a quarter at least.

 

[RTX2080]

double post

 

[511]

Q1 was always the volume shipping date did they delay EEP or they cancelled EEP and are doing full volume launch Q126?

 

[RTX2080]

Q1 was always the volume shipping date did they delay EEP or they cancelled EEP and are doing full volume launch Q126?

They delay PTL EEP to next year. And well I admit Q1 for EEP was just my optimistic thought. Leaker didn't say exactly when.
If benchmark and review happen after CES, EEP might be also Q1 I guess.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Q1 was always the volume shipping date did they delay EEP or they cancelled EEP and are doing full volume launch Q126?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898009772684984747

Was Intel lying to partners in March?

 

[511]

Was Intel lying to partners in March?

This is Meng lol the worst source he can MLID look good

 

[RTX2080]

Was Intel lying to partners in March?

I guess it's just so many things have changed since new CEO joined, and the X account you post was either too optimistic or he wasn't told plans were changed.

 

[reb0rn]

is it possible that intel still target nova lake -S as H1 2026
from guru3d

https://www.guru3d.com/data/publish/226/8e709b1ce2513c3e8005798c191effc708cccf/output_3.webp

 

[511]

is it possible that intel still target nova lake -S as H1 2026
from guru3d

https://www.guru3d.com/data/publish/226/8e709b1ce2513c3e8005798c191effc708cccf/output_3.webp

NVL is H2 26

 

[DavidC1]

lol, I don’t buy that 2026 was the launch date for on shelves.

Here’s what likely happened, 18A got delayed hence the date got moved to 2026.

PTL was originally a 2025 product got pushed back. Remember, Intel always releases products by Q4 for end users to buy.

Naw, them being quiet is good news. We want underpromise, overdeliver right? They were pretty quiet before Core 2 launch.

With big companies they talk more when the products suck. Look at Cyberpunk 2077 launch. Much talk, much suck.

 

[Fjodor2001]

is it possible that intel still target nova lake -S as H1 2026
from guru3d

https://www.guru3d.com/data/publish/226/8e709b1ce2513c3e8005798c191effc708cccf/output_3.webp

What's the source of that timeline?

 

[Fjodor2001]

Regarding NVL-S release date, is there any process tech availability stopping Intel from releasing in 2026H1?

Also, it's a big difference between early and late in a Hx. H1 to H2 could mean anything form January 2026 to December 2026.

Someone dare to guesstimate a month?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Someone dare to guesstimate a month?

Any-ember

 

[Kepler_L2]

Regarding NVL-S release date, is there any process tech availability stopping Intel from releasing in 2026H1?

Also, it's a big difference between early and late in a Hx. H1 to H2 could mean anything form January 2026 to December 2026.

Someone dare to guesstimate a month?

October as usual

 

[Joe NYC]

cost suxx doe.
It'll be margin-expansive vs N3b parts when it ramps at least.

Lower margin than Lunar Lake (if you exclude memory)?

 

[adroc_thurston]

Lower margin than Lunar Lake (if you exclude memory)?

Higher, it's not N3b.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Alleged Panther Lake lineup:



Source: https://www.chiphell.com/thread-2747417-1-1.html
Picked up by Wccftech in English: https://wccftech.com/alleged-intel-panther-lake-lineup-and-configurations-leaked/

 

[igor_kavinski]

325H looks decent on paper.

 

[Thunder 57]

Three 4+8+4+12? Why?

 

[Philste]

Three 4+8+4+12? Why?

Was expected after all. Pretty similar to LNL, with Ultra 7 and 9 both having the full Cores and Ultra 5 only slightly reduced.

Sure, could've been only one SKU, Because difference will be like 2-300MHz on Cores iGPU, but i kinda like the fact that you can also choose an lower end option without sacrificung iGPU too much, unlike AMD and Qualcomm where you get the best iGPU only in the best SKU and everything else is axed.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Three 4+8+4+12? Why?

Binning all over the place. Silicon hitting the highest speeds must be harder for them to find.

 

[Josh128]

Binning all over the place. Silicon hitting the highest speeds must be harder for them to find.

Not a great look for 18A.

 

[Kepler_L2]

Three 4+8+4+12? Why?

Not enough 5GHz+ yields.