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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

Intel Raptor Lake UIntel Wildcat Lake 15W?Intel Lunar LakeIntel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch DateQ1-2024Q2-2026Q3-2024Q1-2026
ModelIntel 150UIntel Core 7Core Ultra 7 268VCore Ultra 7 365
Dies2223
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU2 P-core + 8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads12688
Max Clock5.4 GHz?5 GHz4.8 GHz
L3 Cache12 MB12 MB12 MB
TDP15 - 55 W15 W ?17 - 37 W25 - 55 W
Memory128-bit LPDDR5-520064-bit LPDDR5128-bit LPDDR5x-8533128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size96 GB32 GB128 GB
Bandwidth136 GB/s
GPUIntel GraphicsIntel GraphicsArc 140VIntel Graphics
RTNoNoYESYES
EU / Xe96 EU2 Xe8 Xe4 Xe
Max Clock1.3 GHz?2 GHz2.5 GHz
NPUGNA 3.018 TOPS48 TOPS49 TOPS






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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511 said:
The only competitors are TSMC/Samsung :D
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Japan may be entering the silicon fabbing game soon.

They seem to be in a real hurry. Even call the company Rapidus!

Just imagine if they develop their own unique and original path towards sub nm process and then suddenly, Taiwan's reputation as the leader in semicon tech takes a hit, just like that.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
Japan may be entering the silicon fabbing game soon.

They seem to be in a real hurry. Even call the company Rapidus!

Just imagine if they develop their own unique and original path towards sub nm process and then suddenly, Taiwan's reputation as the leader in semicon tech takes a hit, just like that.
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I suspect it isn't that easy to do and would take a decade to build from the ground up.
 
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ASUS BIOS update released in beta and it seems to contain the new microcode update.

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Re: ArrowLake Resources

ROG MAXIMUS/STRIX/PROART Z890 Series Beta Bios 1101 01. Update microcode to 113 02. Improve system performance DO NOT UNZIP (EZFLASH Support zip file) ROG MAXIMUS Z890 HERO Beta Bios 1101 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_aUqqsFtWMA0ecMvffFs4AHfHAWRfx_g/view?usp=sharing ROG MAXIMUS Z890 APEX...
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It mentions "Improve system performance".

There is also this https://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?iD=5548

ASRock claims up to 13% improved gaming performance from enabling this PPM driver.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
How are the supposed changes big? Is this going to be a rehash of RPL issue where Intel determines that the CPU can take greater voltage spikes in the short term but long term it gets cooked? Only way it would be "big changes" is if they manage to beat 14900KS gaming scores in every game.
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Looks like Intel is bringing forward their ARL refresh *ahem* I mean microcode update since it's not selling as well as they hoped. :p /s
 
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igor_kavinski said:
Japan may be entering the silicon fabbing game soon.

They seem to be in a real hurry. Even call the company Rapidus!

Just imagine if they develop their own unique and original path towards sub nm process and then suddenly, Taiwan's reputation as the leader in semicon tech takes a hit, just like that.
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Rapidus, in name, may only be 2 years old, but their components are well established in the industry, including IBM's litho research and companies like NES, kioxia and denso. If anyone can take even a small bite of the market, they're going to be the ones to do it.
 
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Has it been discussed here that Intel seemingly prioritized a Cinebench win for Arrow Lake during design phase over anything else? Could this have blindsided them in other aspects of CPU performance?
 
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511 said:
C2C latency are not going to tell the whole picture the latency between Core <-> IMC is what's killing ARL
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They need better microcode to overclock the internal data pathways on demand during heavy demanding workloads. How much of an OC on average is what they need to decide, assuming they want the chips to work for at least 3 years without giving up the ghost or corrupting data.
 
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That's not a big deal. They will eat through that in less than a year. They really need a stern financial controller, not the current idiot who thinks that students buy an extra laptop as backup.
 
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Yes but it helps somewhat i am going to say it here but moving forward it will be impossible to build these things without subsides and government cooperation also believe it or not it is due to Pat that CHIPS act exists he was at the forefront for this so he should get credit
 
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511 said:
Yes but it helps somewhat i am going to say it here but moving forward it will be impossible to build these things without subsides and government cooperation also believe it or not it is due to Pat that CHIPS act exists he was at the forefront for this so he should get credit
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Well, lets see if that subsidy survives the Trump administration. I would be very nervous if I were Intel, but since they are building plants domestically, maybe the tariffs will actually help them, if they ever actually get the plants up and running.
 
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511 said:
Yes but it helps somewhat i am going to say it here but moving forward it will be impossible to build these things without subsides and government cooperation also believe it or not it is due to Pat that CHIPS act exists he was at the forefront for this so he should get credit
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Absolutely.

It is high time the US started playing by the same rules as other developed countries. It's crazy how much help foreign companies get from their governments compared to the US.
 
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511 said:
also believe it or not it is due to Pat that CHIPS act exists he was at the forefront for this so he should get credit
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There is no benefit of Pat's work thus far so giving him any credit right now is premature. All we know for the time being is that Pat keeps hyping the next big thing (right now it's 18A and Panther Lake/Nova Lake) and people keep defending him by saying that everything Intel has delivered since he stepped in as CEO was already decided before he took the helm.

Fine. I better not hear these excuses by December 2025. I mean it! :p
 
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