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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

Intel Alder Lake - NIntel Wildcat LakeIntel Lunar LakeMediatek D9500
Launch DateQ1-2023Q2-2026 ?Q3-2024Q3-2025
ModelIntel N300?Core Ultra 7 268VDimensity 9500 5G
Dies2221
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6TSMC N3P
CPU8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-coresC1 1+3+4
Threads8688
Max Clock3.8 GHz?5 GHz
L3 Cache6 MB?12 MB
TDP7 WFanless ?17 WFanless
Memory64-bit LPDDR5-480064-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?128-bit LPDDR5X-853364-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size16 GB?32 GB24 GB ?
Bandwidth~ 55 GB/s136 GB/s85.6 GB/s
GPUUHD GraphicsArc 140VG1 Ultra
EU / Xe32 EU2 Xe8 Xe12
Max Clock1.25 GHz2 GHz
NPUNA18 TOPS48 TOPS100 TOPS ?






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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Apparently that's covered by N2P nvl... Press f for ifs

Hmm...the projections there are so rosy that one cannot but take them with a giant Granite of Salt.

BUT...if that all comes to pass, dang...AMD will be in trouble.
 

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Challenge will be, can they clock Nova to max 5.5 GHz and still beat ARL AND Zen 6? I don't have faith in them that they can scale their process beyond 5.5 GHz.
Yes they can 18AP has something exclusively for Higher Clocks lol that is BSPDN and they have relaxed pitches for 18A so it should well every Intel node is able to clock 5+ GHz from the 14nm+++
 
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Yes they can 18AP has something exclusively for Higher Clocks lol that is BSPDN and they have relaxed pitches for 18A so it should well every Intel node is able to clock 5+ GHz from the 14nm+++
Gets harder the higher they go above 5 GHz.

185H is 5.1 GHz (Intel 4. No idea how high Intel 3 goes)

288V is also 5.1 GHz (TSMC)

285K is also TSMC.

That's why I have little faith they can get their act together. We've heard "everything's going great" from Intel numerous times before, right before they hit us with the bad news.
 
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Josh128

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The int score at 4.8 for the 258V indicates an approximate score of 10.05 @5.1GHz. Will just surpass Strix ST. All thats left to know is fp perf and the big question - power consumption and battery life. Gaming also, I guess.
 

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At least it's not a trainwreck.

The P-cores having only 2% higher IPC over mobile RPL P-cores isn't exactly a good result. That would be a disaster if it carries over to desktop with the clock speed regressions. I'm going to wait for other results though because some of Huang's mobile Spec results are kind of weird (e.g., the huge gap between MTL-P cores and RPL-P cores).
 

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Sure, let's start with that question. Pretty sure I already know the answer but it would be nice to get someone else's thoughts on it.


It might be yeah, but isn't Falcon Shores cancelled anyway?

New masks required. Falcon Shores hasn't been cancelled as far as I know, only the CPU+GPU version was cancelled, the GPU only version is still on the roadmap.
 

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The P-cores having only 2% higher IPC over mobile RPL P-cores isn't exactly a good result. That would be a disaster if it carries over to desktop with the clock speed regressions. I'm going to wait for other results though because some of Huang's mobile Spec results are kind of weird (e.g., the huge gap between MTL-P cores and RPL-P cores).
This is just int, still waiting on fp. Need both to determine approx IPC.