Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

		Intel Raptor Lake U	Intel Wildcat Lake 15W?	Intel Lunar Lake		Intel Panther Lake 4+4+4
Launch Date		Q1-2024	Q2-2026	Q3-2024		Q1-2026
Model		Intel 150U	Intel Core 7	Core Ultra 7 268V		Core Ultra 7 365
Dies		2	2	2		3
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU		2 P-core + 8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads		12	6	8		8
Max Clock		5.4 GHz	?	5 GHz		4.8 GHz
L3 Cache		12 MB		12 MB		12 MB
TDP		15 - 55 W	15 W ?	17 - 37 W		25 - 55 W
Memory		128-bit LPDDR5-5200	64-bit LPDDR5	128-bit LPDDR5x-8533		128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size		96 GB		32 GB		128 GB
Bandwidth				136 GB/s
GPU		Intel Graphics	Intel Graphics	Arc 140V		Intel Graphics
RT		No	No	YES		YES
EU / Xe		96 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		4 Xe
Max Clock		1.3 GHz	?	2 GHz		2.5 GHz
NPU		GNA 3.0	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		49 TOPS

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[511]

Must be an inside joke or something. Pairing the Panther CPU with a Cougar core.

May be But from the looks of it NVL Diamond rappids will use 18AP

 

[igor_kavinski]

May be But from the looks of it NVL Diamond rappids will use 18AP

Challenge will be, can they clock Nova to max 5.5 GHz and still beat ARL AND Zen 6? I don't have faith in them that they can scale their process beyond 5.5 GHz.

 

[cannedlake240]

Nova to max 5.5 GHz

Apparently that's covered by N2P nvl... Press f for ifs

 

[igor_kavinski]

Apparently that's covered by N2P nvl... Press f for ifs

Intel Nova Lake Rumors: Slated for 2026-2027 Release - ComputerCity

Intel's upcoming Nova Lake CPUs are still a few years away but promise to bring major improvements in computer performance and next gen computing. Rumors

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Hmm...the projections there are so rosy that one cannot but take them with a giant Granite of Salt.

BUT...if that all comes to pass, dang...AMD will be in trouble.

 

[511]

Challenge will be, can they clock Nova to max 5.5 GHz and still beat ARL AND Zen 6? I don't have faith in them that they can scale their process beyond 5.5 GHz.

Yes they can 18AP has something exclusively for Higher Clocks lol that is BSPDN and they have relaxed pitches for 18A so it should well every Intel node is able to clock 5+ GHz from the 14nm+++

 

[cannedlake240]

dang...AMD will be in trouble.

Well it's panther Cove*. It's continuation of the Core lineage of Sunny, Golden, Lion Coves. Royal core has never been planned for NVL.

 

[csbin]

SPEC CPU 2017 | David Huang's Blog

David Huang

Ultra 7 258V

Spec 2017 int rate-1

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yes they can 18AP has something exclusively for Higher Clocks lol that is BSPDN and they have relaxed pitches for 18A so it should well every Intel node is able to clock 5+ GHz from the 14nm+++

Gets harder the higher they go above 5 GHz.

185H is 5.1 GHz (Intel 4. No idea how high Intel 3 goes)

288V is also 5.1 GHz (TSMC)

285K is also TSMC.

That's why I have little faith they can get their act together. We've heard "everything's going great" from Intel numerous times before, right before they hit us with the bad news.

 

[poke01]

SPEC CPU 2017 | David Huang's Blog

David Huang

Ultra 7 258V

Spec 2017 int rate-1





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Yeah Intels got a long to go and there will be more competition from here on out.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Yeah Intels got a long to go and there will be more competition from here on out.

At least it's not a trainwreck.

 

[511]

HX E core is close to 258V e core just 4% difference 10% clock difference 3.7 vs 3.3 it's on ring as well

 

[Josh128]

The int score at 4.8 for the 258V indicates an approximate score of 10.05 @5.1GHz. Will just surpass Strix ST. All thats left to know is fp perf and the big question - power consumption and battery life. Gaming also, I guess.

 

[Hitman928]

At least it's not a trainwreck.

The P-cores having only 2% higher IPC over mobile RPL P-cores isn't exactly a good result. That would be a disaster if it carries over to desktop with the clock speed regressions. I'm going to wait for other results though because some of Huang's mobile Spec results are kind of weird (e.g., the huge gap between MTL-P cores and RPL-P cores).

 

[cannedlake240]

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HX E core is close to 258V e core just 4% difference 10% clock difference 3.7 vs 3.3 it's on ring as well

So skymont is only 4% better than gracemont?? Both 13700H and 258V have 3.7Ghz boost Even if Ring based SKT is 5% better it's still only 9% over Gracemont. Nowhere near 15-20% IPC. Something doesn't add up

 

[poke01]

that Intel compiler really boosts spec results for Intel marketing huh

 

[cannedlake240]

that Intel compiler really boosts spec results for Intel marketing huh

Shouldn't matter Intel v. Intel

 

[igor_kavinski]

The P-cores having only 2% higher IPC over mobile RPL P-cores isn't exactly a good result.

A V CPU almost challenging an H CPU is a good result in my books.

 

[cebri1]

Lunar Lake 258V CU7 20% faster ST than MTL 155H CU7 in CB24

 

[Hitman928]

Sure, let's start with that question. Pretty sure I already know the answer but it would be nice to get someone else's thoughts on it.


It might be yeah, but isn't Falcon Shores cancelled anyway?

New masks required. Falcon Shores hasn't been cancelled as far as I know, only the CPU+GPU version was cancelled, the GPU only version is still on the roadmap.

 

[Josh128]

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HX E core is close to 258V e core just 4% difference 10% clock difference 3.7 vs 3.3 it's on ring as well

Which freq for which core?

 

[poke01]

Very interesting, losing to the X Elite but winning against M3

 

[cebri1]

Fastest iGPU?

 

[Hitman928]

A V CPU almost challenging an H CPU is a good result in my books.

Do you expect IPC to be much higher for ARL? I'm not counting on a big uplift, it's the same core with some more LLC.

 

[Josh128]

The P-cores having only 2% higher IPC over mobile RPL P-cores isn't exactly a good result. That would be a disaster if it carries over to desktop with the clock speed regressions. I'm going to wait for other results though because some of Huang's mobile Spec results are kind of weird (e.g., the huge gap between MTL-P cores and RPL-P cores).

This is just int, still waiting on fp. Need both to determine approx IPC.

 

[cebri1]

Battery life