Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Preliminary Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing ADL-N. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q2/Computex 2026. In case people don't remember AlderLake-N, I have created a table below to compare the detail specs of ADL-N and WCL. Just for fun, I am throwing LNL and upcoming Mediatek D9500 SoC.

Intel Alder Lake - NIntel Wildcat LakeIntel Lunar LakeMediatek D9500
Launch DateQ1-2023Q2-2026 ?Q3-2024Q3-2025
ModelIntel N300?Core Ultra 7 268VDimensity 9500 5G
Dies2221
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6TSMC N3P
CPU8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-coresC1 1+3+4
Threads8688
Max Clock3.8 GHz?5 GHz
L3 Cache6 MB?12 MB
TDP7 WFanless ?17 WFanless
Memory64-bit LPDDR5-480064-bit LPDDR5-6800 ?128-bit LPDDR5X-853364-bit LPDDR5X-10667
Size16 GB?32 GB24 GB ?
Bandwidth~ 55 GB/s136 GB/s85.6 GB/s
GPUUHD GraphicsArc 140VG1 Ultra
EU / Xe32 EU2 Xe8 Xe12
Max Clock1.25 GHz2 GHz
NPUNA18 TOPS48 TOPS100 TOPS ?






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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Run SIMD code on Apple vs AMD and you will find it gets beaten in both power and perf/wattthe gap is not that big
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Not bad for such an INT/FP focused CPU.

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The 9950X is just better here for peak performance. Now if Apple ever includes proper SVE2.1 then we can talk about DC talk. But have to say not bad especially the M4 Max with NEON it put up a good fight.
 
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Not bad for such an INT/FP focused CPU.

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The 9950X is just better here for peak performance. Now if Apple ever includes proper SVE2.1 then we can talk about DC talk. But have to say not bad especially the M4 Max with NEON it put up a good fight.
Now we stop saying Apple cores are better in everything. They are tailor made for extracting ST perf and for compiling your code but NEON is just too slow for SIMD tasks.

Now unless Apple changes direction or mandated by ARM, you won’t ever see SVE2 in their cores
 
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Now we stop saying Apple cores are better in everything. They are tailor made for extracting ST perf and for compiling your code but NEON is just too slow for SIMD tasks.

Now unless Apple changes direction or mandated by ARM, you won’t ever see SVE2 in their cores

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the massive L1 caches in particular for the Apple cores. Of course that is excellent for ST performance.

Oh and BTW, there is a thread for x86 vs ARM. Why can't these posts be there instead? Seems OT.
 
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