Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads

[Tigerick]

Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

		Intel Raptor Lake U	Intel Wildcat Lake 15W?	Intel Lunar Lake		Intel Panther Lake 4+4+4
Launch Date		Q1-2024	Q2-2026	Q3-2024		Q1-2026
Model		Intel 150U	Intel Core 7	Core Ultra 7 268V		Core Ultra 7 365
Dies		2	2	2		3
Node		Intel 7 + ?	Intel 18-A + TSMC N6	TSMC N3B + N6		Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU		2 P-core + 8 E-cores	2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores	4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores		4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads		12	6	8		8
Max Clock		5.4 GHz	?	5 GHz		4.8 GHz
L3 Cache		12 MB		12 MB		12 MB
TDP		15 - 55 W	15 W ?	17 - 37 W		25 - 55 W
Memory		128-bit LPDDR5-5200	64-bit LPDDR5	128-bit LPDDR5x-8533		128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size		96 GB		32 GB		128 GB
Bandwidth				136 GB/s
GPU		Intel Graphics	Intel Graphics	Arc 140V		Intel Graphics
RT		No	No	YES		YES
EU / Xe		96 EU	2 Xe	8 Xe		4 Xe
Max Clock		1.3 GHz	?	2 GHz		2.5 GHz
NPU		GNA 3.0	18 TOPS	48 TOPS		49 TOPS

As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.

 

[511]

 

[DrMrLordX]

That's consistent with reports if of 5.1-5.3 GHz for Panther Lake.

 

[511]

The clocks are still not final xDd though is it 5.2 oe 5.3 we don't know

 

[511]

OEM will tease everything but the specs
16inch less than a Kilo Battery Killing OLED Display.

 

[poke01]

OEM will tease everything but the specs
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someone finally has a larger trackpad than Apples.

 

[511]

someone finally has a larger trackpad than Apples.

Please let it be haptic and Glass

 

[511]

Acer Swift 16 AI: Das erste Notebook mit Panther Lake und riesigem Touchpad kommt bald*

Zur Eröffnungspressekonferenz von Acer zur IFA 2025 hatte das Unternehmen auch einen Ausblick auf das erste Panther-Lake-Notebook dabei.

www.computerbase.de

Bluetooth 6 LMFAO

Looks like combination of ARL+LNL

 

[poke01]

Acer Swift 16 AI: Das erste Notebook mit Panther Lake und riesigem Touchpad kommt bald*

Zur Eröffnungspressekonferenz von Acer zur IFA 2025 hatte das Unternehmen auch einen Ausblick auf das erste Panther-Lake-Notebook dabei.

www.computerbase.de

Bluetooth 6 LMFAO
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Looks like combination of ARL+LNL
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Interesting they don’t mention “faster cpu”.

 

[511]

Interesting they don’t mention “faster cpu”.

Exactly it means the Effective CPU Performance is unchanged just better Power Efficiency if it can Deliver ARL performing at LNL Power Budget I would still call that good.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Interesting they don’t mention “faster cpu”.

They're clear about a faster GPU, though.

I do wonder how Panther Lake's Xe3 will behave against Strix Point's 16CU RDNA3.5, as the 140V and 140T are already pretty competitive with that model.

It does look like Intel will have an iGPU performance crown on the 15-35W range, at least until Medusa Premium comes out.

 

[511]

They're clear about a faster GPU, though.

I do wonder how Panther Lake's Xe3 will behave against Strix Point's 16CU RDNA3.5, as the 140V and 140T are already pretty competitive with that model.

It does look like Intel will have an iGPU performance crown on the 15-35W range, at least until Medusa Premium comes out.

Medusa Premium has how much CU and which arch? also that would likely compete with NVL iGPU.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Medusa Premium has how much CU and which arch?

Medusa Premium has an AT4, so 12 RDNA5 CUs (supposedly close to 24 RDNA4 CUs in throughput per clock).

also that would likely compete with NVL iGPU.

I think we only know the specs for N1X so far, which is way too big and will probably be closer to Medusa Halo. There's also a "N1" for laptops and perhaps that one will be competition to Medusa Premium.

 

[igor_kavinski]

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GB 6.5 is suspiciously close to Panther Lake launch. Could this mean Panther Lake supports APX?

 

[511]

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GB 6.5 is suspiciously close to Panther Lake launch. Could this mean Panther Lake supports APX?

This is Multi afaik ST is

https://www.reddit.com/r/intelstock/comments/1iwvr8z/comment/mezplc7

 

[DavidC1]

If what that reddit guy is saying is true and that Darkmont is quite a bit more efficient ISO-process(~10%) and 18A is better, then it can potentially counterract losses from Lunarlake from a battery life point of view. In Lunarlake, Skymont LPE is half of the reason it gets good battery life. Pantherlake may still lose in light load scenarios, but if Darkmont makes it up in less lighter loads such as Teams then overall they can call it similar.

I know that even for Alderlake laptops you can get great battery life, but you need to go through lot of work to get there. Cut all the services running to a minimum, have Task Manager up frequently to check for mis-behaving applications and find a way to terminate them or make them work properly, have all basic power management settings work such as Drive power savings, plus get drivers of every single component in your laptop updated to the latest. In reality, that is not feasible as vanishingly small amount of people know how to do this. I don't even have more than basic MS antivirus enabled for this very reason, because I know it's much harder to get 3rd party antivirus software working with low demand enough to keep the CPU utilization under 3% for the application.

The other day I was frustrated with my 10th Gen Pentium Desktop struggling with OpenOffice, when computers of 40 years ago could do the same. Some articles were talking about increasing abstraction as a culprit. The whole computer market is a pseudo-ponzi scheme.

Having a dedicated power efficient core offload things so you don't need to to the above improves things for the average scenario, because inevitably the demand rises due to inefficiency in software or whatever other reasons.

 

[desrever]

Exactly it means the Effective CPU Performance is unchanged just better Power Efficiency if it can Deliver ARL performing at LNL Power Budget I would still call that good.

It also doesn't claim better battery life. So...

 

[igor_kavinski]

The other day I was frustrated with my 10th Gen Pentium Desktop struggling with OpenOffice, when computers of 40 years ago could do the same. Some articles were talking about increasing abstraction as a culprit. The whole computer market is a pseudo-ponzi scheme.

OpenOffice isn't that optimized I think. I would suggest this: https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/7.6.7.2/win/x86_64/

Though you can try the latest one too.

 

[Geddagod]

Just a thought, one has to speculate about Intel shortening the pipeline of their P-cores as a pretty good thing. Keeping the same high Fmax, while also having the side effects of slight IPC increases, and lowering the need to spend a bunch of resources on the BPU, since the branch mispredict penalty will also be lower.

 

[511]

Just a thought, one has to speculate about Intel shortening the pipeline of their P-cores as a pretty good thing. Keeping the same high Fmax, while also having the side effects of slight IPC increases, and lowering the need to spend a bunch of resources on the BPU, since the branch mispredict penalty will also be lower.

PNC is clustered Decode with shared L2 it's more like Atom in Nova than a P core

 

[MS_AT]

PNC is clustered Decode

You mean P core will have decode clusters?

 

[Magio]

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GB 6.5 is suspiciously close to Panther Lake launch. Could this mean Panther Lake supports APX?

GB 6.5 is equally close to A19 Pro and 8 Elite Gen 2, tho (who knows, maybe they'll finally rebalance the benchmark now that non-Apple chips will benefit from the SME boost). I think up to now rumors were that APX would only be in Nova Lake?

 

[igor_kavinski]

I think up to now rumors were that APX would only be in Nova Lake?

Even if Panther Lake doesn't have APX, GB6.5 could benefit Intel chips due to better compiler optimizations, especially on Linux.

 

[511]

You mean P core will have decode clusters?

Yes

GB 6.5 is equally close to A19 Pro and 8 Elite Gen 2, tho (who knows, maybe they'll finally rebalance the benchmark now that non-Apple chips will benefit from the SME boost). I think up to now rumors were that APX would only be in Nova Lake?

The only thing new in PTL is FRED

 

[igor_kavinski]

The only thing new in PTL is FRED

Dude!

Both FRED and LKGS deal with minimizing the context switch latency so Intel could gain substantial wins in multicore I/O heavy workloads (think streaming games especially!).

 

[511]

Dude!

Both FRED and LKGS deal with minimizing the context switch latency so Intel could gain substantial wins in multicore I/O heavy workloads (think streaming games especially!).

This needs to supported by OS as well knowing windows see you in couple of years on Linux we should be fine.