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Wildcat Lake (WCL) Specs

Intel Wildcat Lake (WCL) is upcoming mobile SoC replacing Raptor Lake-U. WCL consists of 2 tiles: compute tile and PCD tile. It is true single die consists of CPU, GPU and NPU that is fabbed by 18-A process. Last time I checked, PCD tile is fabbed by TSMC N6 process. They are connected through UCIe, not D2D; a first from Intel. Expecting launching in Q1 2026.

Intel Raptor Lake UIntel Wildcat Lake 15W?Intel Lunar LakeIntel Panther Lake 4+0+4
Launch DateQ1-2024Q2-2026Q3-2024Q1-2026
ModelIntel 150UIntel Core 7Core Ultra 7 268VCore Ultra 7 365
Dies2223
NodeIntel 7 + ?Intel 18-A + TSMC N6TSMC N3B + N6Intel 18-A + Intel 3 + TSMC N6
CPU2 P-core + 8 E-cores2 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores4 P-core + 4 LP E-cores
Threads12688
Max Clock5.4 GHz?5 GHz4.8 GHz
L3 Cache12 MB12 MB12 MB
TDP15 - 55 W15 W ?17 - 37 W25 - 55 W
Memory128-bit LPDDR5-520064-bit LPDDR5128-bit LPDDR5x-8533128-bit LPDDR5x-7467
Size96 GB32 GB128 GB
Bandwidth136 GB/s
GPUIntel GraphicsIntel GraphicsArc 140VIntel Graphics
RTNoNoYESYES
EU / Xe96 EU2 Xe8 Xe4 Xe
Max Clock1.3 GHz?2 GHz2.5 GHz
NPUGNA 3.018 TOPS48 TOPS49 TOPS






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As Hot Chips 34 starting this week, Intel will unveil technical information of upcoming Meteor Lake (MTL) and Arrow Lake (ARL), new generation platform after Raptor Lake. Both MTL and ARL represent new direction which Intel will move to multiple chiplets and combine as one SoC platform.

MTL also represents new compute tile that based on Intel 4 process which is based on EUV lithography, a first from Intel. Intel expects to ship MTL mobile SoC in 2023.

ARL will come after MTL so Intel should be shipping it in 2024, that is what Intel roadmap is telling us. ARL compute tile will be manufactured by Intel 20A process, a first from Intel to use GAA transistors called RibbonFET.



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dullard said:
Psst: Dell is having a direct Panther Lake successor to Lunar Lake according to that XPS leak.
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There's no successor to the XPS 13, which is their most portable device. You can see from the roadmap the Pantherlake one is in a different class, and it's shown as 40W TDP, while Lunarlake is shown as 20W.

You can't say you are sacrificing major features which they touted as drivers for battery life, cancel it in the next generation and then claim it'll be the same.

I guess you can call it close with a display like OLED which hogs power, but for those that actually want top in class battery life, it's 1080P IPS or go home.
 
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poke01 said:
Saw this brought up on Twitter

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Yeah and just turned out that they have missed the P core targets muh also return of Glenn Hilton is Still a mystery what did he do is he still there what is he working on i have so many questions iirc he also created Ring/LLC
 
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511 said:
Yeah and just turned out that they have missed the P core targets muh also return of Glenn Hilton is Still a mystery what did he do is he still there what is he working on i have so many questions iirc he also created Ring/LLC
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If they need to depend on a retired architect, they already have problems that all the money in the world may not be able to solve.

If they can simply stop pretending to know what they are doing and just ask their own customers what they really wish for and what gets them excited, they might have better success, like AMD.
 
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poke01 said:
Saw this brought up on Twitter

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It's a nothingburger. That was said many years ago. And we know by now it has lots of inaccuracies such as:
Arrow Lake (Lion Cove / Skymont) Q4'23 - Will feature an updated compute tile with 8/32 config for the high end enthusiast products. Might achieve parity with AMD offerings at the time but loses out to Apple in power efficiency.
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Sure Sure...
Lunar Lake (Lion Cove / Skymont) Q4'24 - This is the product that will use TSMC 3nm as reported by Nikkei. Big performance jump expected and designed to achieve parity or beat AMD and Apple in both performance and power efficiency.
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HAHAHAH!! That's very funny. Oh, sorry I thought it was a joke.
Nova Lake (Panther Cove [tentative]/ Darkmont) 2025 - This will mark the biggest architectural change in cpu architecture since the Core architecture is introduced in 2006.
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Uh huh. 10% ST and 60% MT with doubled compute tiles is impressive? I don't think so.

Where do these guys get their stuff?
 
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The incompetent Intel seems to have decided to manufacture all of Nova Lake with the TSMC process
Wildcat LAKE also seems to be manufactured with TSMC N3
 
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Io Magnesso said:
The incompetent Intel seems to have decided to manufacture all of Nova Lake with the TSMC process
Wildcat LAKE also seems to be manufactured with TSMC N3
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This is false only the PCH is N6 While the entire SoC is 18A.
There is no outsourcing to TSMC in their 2-3 years roadmap except for NVL Compute tile and couple of GPU Tiles.
 
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511 said:
Maybe the compute die only like NVL but I got no info regarding that.
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Question related to that: Do you think all NVL compute tiles are TSMC? That would be really bad. If it's "only" the higher end die honestly I'm fine with it but you'd hope that at least some of the NVL line-up had compute tiles on 18A or 18A-P.
 
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Magio said:
Question related to that: Do you think all NVL compute tiles are TSMC? That would be really bad. If it's "only" the higher end die honestly I'm fine with it but you'd hope that at least some of the NVL line-up had compute tiles on 18A or 18A-P.
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So the IO extender is Intel 3 SoC is 18A and compute is N2/18AP depending on SKU and GPU is 18AP/Intel 3(not totally sure about this).
 
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511 said:
Nope Mlid Never went past 40% for ARL he went to 60% for NVL he is clearly MLID's sensei.
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So if we take that number and scale it to how much ARL actually scaled compared to 14K, how much slower will NVL be than ARL ;).
 
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